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The Dive Bar Rock Star Podcast

Episode 26 · 1 year ago

Walter Ino- Next Thing You Know…(Eagles Of Death Metal, The Babys)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Multi-instrumentalist, Walter Ino, reflects on his time growing up and playing music in Pittsburgh, PA and how he got from there to his current home of Los Angeles, CA. He talks about his time playing with the iconic 80s rock band, Survivor, and what it was like working with all of the band's lead singers. He tells some audition stories and discusses the importance of networking. Walter talks about his path to becoming an orchestrator and having a truly diverse career. He also reveals the history of two “Waiting For Monday” songs.


YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjkMtYC_qu9ynURIaH09vkA


Waiting For Monday:

https://open.spotify.com/album/764loqGIi3sdSlSARDkadp?si=0ltEZyxAT9-Mb8W7ydoZ_A


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...not played for real for since that, since the pandemic, hits like that was quite a challenge. And then right, it's there's a middle of this, the section in the middle where where they play. They go back backwards in the shit and Johnny cast his career and start with the upright, like the trio, the Tennessee trio. Right. So I'm sitting there and they provide the back line and I've messed around on the upright, you know, before, but I'm never I'm like, can't, can't say that I'm in player. But you know, we got there and for for the line check and that's the first time I'm playing up right. Wow, it was great. You know, luckily my I still, you know, my ear was working. So right, slide up a little bit to get to get intonated. But Yeah, because that is fun different beast on my I was my hands are tired after that, oh man. Yeah, fingers bleeding every day. How much to the show? Did you have to play three songs? Yeah, but that could do it. But I accept the challenge. I I I like like learning instruments. That was a board kid, I guess. Yeah, so where did it start? Started on it started in Pittsburgh and I started on piano. My tool too, brothers were in piano lessons and I guess whenever I was five I started. I wasn't really taking lessons, but I was kind of mimicking them while they were taking lessons. And so my parents, whoo, who are musical as well. On my grandmother was a piano teacher in the Philippines and it started there and and I guess I started officially taking a piano lesson at six and then they kind of quit. I kept on going for a little bit and then, you know, elementary school you get asked if you want to play in a band and concert band. So I picked the Saxophone, Cau. My brother was playing trumpet already and my other brother was playing clarinet and that. So I picked up the saxophone and I played all through, you know, up to up to my senior in high school. You know, I started getting interested in music from that point on. Basically there was always music in the house, like you said. You I talked about the Beatles a lot and I talked about Elvis because that's what was in my house all the time. Guys. Yeah, well, well, listen to Beatles records, and I they had the Beatles collection on wreck on VI AL, and that's what I grew up on. So that's where I got to hear harmony. Reason, right, I'll learn arrangements and stuff. But then fourteen, that's when I got a guitar. And because my old you know, because my older brothers. Again, my oldest brother was he gotten a synthesizers and and then my other brother, my metal brother, he started playing drums. So let's start a you know, the Jackson family band. So, so, initially my dad wanted to buy me a bass, so he bought himself a bass thinking, I guess, it'd be like yeah, whatever, the parched family, all right. And basically what happened was my my Aus, my brother, my the middle brother, my brother, the closest to me, we ended up just jamming every night. We would pick an album and just try to figure it out, and that's cool. And he played drums and I played guitar because he had some good friends of his that played guitar and Bass as well, and that's how it started. Basically. Yeah, and to this day I can play rushes excess to excess stage left album from beginning to end, because of because of that. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, and that the yeah, that's the music you start with. That's that's a good found. It's weird, like it was. That was a weird thing. Was it was my what, his brother? He turned me on to rush before I played a guitar. So which one would you say it was like your best? What do you feel the most comfortable on? Instrument? Instrument? Yeah, I think it all depends on the GIG. You know. Yeah, like I would say, because for a long time I quit playing keyboards. Oh Really? Yeah, I mean I would play, but I wouldn't play professionally. I wasn't till I really wanted to take guitar seriously for a long time and when I taught right after high school. I never went to college. I almost when I got accepted at Berkeley, but never went. I broke my hand. I was skateboarding as kid and when I was nineteen and then I was like, well, I can't play guitar. That sucks. That's all I want to do. So so I basically gave up every instrument except for maybe Bass, and practice guitar religiously to get to boat at my hand for a while. So then I guess, yes, that it would be that. But then, like I said, depends on the GIG. If somebody says, well, let's, you know, play some standards, I'm like no, I rested, you know. I mean I could fake some, but it's like it's not my strongest suit and I could probably read charts better on piano than real so it all depends, like I said, on the GIG. And Piano I was never really the improviser whatever because I studied...

...classical pianos a kid and then I would learn Beatles songs by reading music and stuff. So my strong suit with keyboards is learning parts and playing them. I'm not much of a jammer. Or somebody says let's just open up. I mean I try, but I could say right, honestly say it's not my strongest so I don't know. I Guess Guitar Guy. That's cool. Yeah, there's no right or wrong answer. Man You, I mean you'll pass, but I could say base too, because I know I love just don't say that around me. No, I mean I mean just because I you know, I done another because of your ability, just because you know you're there's another guy taking my gig. I consider consider myself the Best Bass player in La Nice. Can you might be, might be. I'm just saying right, okay, just take a guitar gets. You're really good at that too. Know, have you met half the guitar play yeah, city either. There's there's so many good, great players that it makes me feel like I need to practice or just quit. You know so well. That's, oddestly, why I moved here, because I wanted to get my ass kicked on a regular basis. Yeah, I wanted to be in this kind of thing where you can't really rest. You know, you got to keep your chops up and you gotta you know, it's it's exhilarating and scary all the same time, especially when it is your living that mean, yes, but the good thing is there's community here. Yeah, there has been community here. You look at drummers, it's like they yeah, there's the drum hangs and then, you know, I see some bass hangs or this's and that every once in a while, and it's like that's a great community, because if you can do something then you recommend it to somebody else that does what you do or what you do better, or your or needs the work whatever. So that it's been it's been a good thing for me to witness since I moved here, so that's cool. So how is the music community in Pittsburgh? I mean, were you a part of the scene out there before you came out here? I was in a way. For anybody listening in Pittsburgh you might remember some of the stuff, but the you know, there was a in the s when I was kind of just getting going, there was a pretty cool scene. Pittsburgh had its thing. It was but at the same time it was very competitive, like there was a lot of trash talking or band this and that, from what I remember. But I was always Switzerland with all the stuff. I was always friends with everybody in bands right but and now and now it's like, from what I hear, it's so much cooler. But Pittsburgh had a great scene. There was bands like rested route, who who made it big and paved the way for later on, you know, later on for bands like us. I started off playing this band called Seventh House. Actually, before that, when I was in high school, there was a guy a couple years older than me. His name was Scott reebling. He went to Berkeley and started this band called letters to Cleo and which became big Um. But when he left Pittsburgh he knew that I wanted to kind of play and he actually demo, he recorded one of my early high school bands stuff and he got he would really want to get in production. So then he gave me his gigs when he left. So there was a band on Nason clocks. So I was a bass player in the first bigger band that I played with in Pittsburgh and I was fourteen plays playing bars and then, because of him, I wanted to keep on doing it, basically, and he he actually gave me a lot of his old books from Berkeley. So I was kind of a nerd when it came to that stuff. It led me to playing with another with my friend that Muchel. He's a drummer that was out here for a while. He's back in Pittsburgh and he asked me to play with this other band that he was in called the left, and that was a guitar Gig. So I played guitar for that and then next thing you know, he quit. That band and join this bank or seventh house, which had kind of had a name already going around Pittsburgh. And so when their guitar player quit and he's like I got the guy. And by this point I'm nineteen, is nineteen a half? Yeah, over, nineteen years old. And then we started building following we would sell out, you know, Stus from that point, from ninety, whatever year this was, we started just kind of hitting the streets, you know, doing, doing, doing the flyer, and all these kids would come out to see US play. And but, you know, three hundred people show up. Next thing you know if I've had people show next thing you know, a thousand people show up. And then we'd space it out every three months or six months and have a sell out shows and you know, started getting interest when it comes to two labels and whatever right, you know. And I was never playing covers or anything. I was doing nothing but originals. So cool with with bands I was in. Right the radio station started playing some of the stuff we were in. The look back back then it wasn't so corporate, so program directors could pick and choose what they wanted to play. We started getting hooked up with managers and other booking agents from outside that city. So then we trade shows with other...

...big bands from other cities. Like fuel was from Harrisburg, so we they'd come to Pittsburgh and open for us and we go to Harrisburg and over them, or we go down to Virginia and you know, from that area in Pittsburgh it's like a pretty good diameter. We play Cleveland a lot, we played Philly, we played Erie and Harrisburg and DC in Baltimore. So it was kind of a cool little thing. Yeah, and to the point where we would play every Monday and at CBGB's in New York City and labels would come and then we you know, it was some crazy stuff. You know, we would do crazy things where we would rent buses, like we would charter a bus, you know, and bring up fifty kids from Pittsburgh. And I won't tell any of those stories because those bus, those bus stories are legendary. Just stuff that shouldn't be happening when you're on a bus, all right, but you know, we would just do showcases and yeah, finally, Ninety nine we sign a record deal and and which you could still do in the s, you could set stuff still happened. Yeah, it was. It's a different time, you know. You know, when I can, when it comes to in the east coast, to it's like like you just described. There's so many places to play. It's a smaller it was because I grew up in Denver, even more isolated, but even la there's not it's hard to tour out of here. Yeah, it's like this Vegas, San Francisco, San Diego kind of you know, they they're not big music towns, whereas you've got a lot of large cities and within four hours of each other. And that one that and that's what was great back then, because they were all rock town you know, they have they all had their version of the of K Rock, I guess back then, right, it was the x's x radio station and went the East Coast, and so we would do like morning shows and Harrisburg on play at six in the morning, trying to play music at you know, for these radio shows. Yeah, and it was. It was great. And you know, that's that's where things started. And then and and after ninety nine, moved to New York. That's basically where the label was and where it was. That's is where I started getting into you know, because I was focusing on guitar, but then I would record, you know, my own stuff at home, just kind of write stuff to separate from the band. And three months before we signed the record deal that drummer quit. So we got this deal and and as Atlantic records based thing, it was a label called blackbird which was on side before, but then they moved to Atlantic. So you know, they we were one of the first bands for them Atlantic and then we didn't have a full band. It was just a due now right. And as we're shopping for producers, they're like, well, what producers? What albums do you like? Well, A, who would you want to produce the record? So I started checking out all these different producers and albums. We got a great guy, the guy out of DC, Jimmy Burt. He's still awesome and I learned a lot from that from him. And but I ended up playing drums on the record to so it was it was it was one of those things. We're just two of us. So they're like what play? Play the drums. So I played drums, guitars and some keys on the round that record and he sang Sandon background vocals. So when did you get your sights on La. What brought you? I've always I mean that band took me out here. I played out here. We Played House of Blues with which isn't there anymore, which isn't there anymore, the one in Hollywood, and then we played the Viper Room. I mean we played a couple of those. A plate that was was hard rock was they had a they had a venue somewhere else in la. Was the Beverly Center? HMM, Oh yeah, we's right. We did the hard rock cafe, yeah, at the belly center to and then we did that. I forget. We did some other gigs and, you know, warped tours and stuff like that out here. So La kind of called my you know, I I would visit a lot when I was a kid because my cousins were out here and I always loved it and I always knew that I would eventually come out and have a Delrian and go back in time at the twin Pines Mall. That's how my goal man out. That was my thing. Little I loved Marty mcfly so you know, I always wanted to. I mean, and then I was in Pittsburgh. You know, I was married before I got married in two thousand and five. You know, by that point the band was broken up. Record deal was lost. And basically, in two thousand and one, Time Warner and a well merged big corporations. And this is a stuff I never had to think about my life, right and all of a sudden I did so. Whenever Time Warner at a well merged who are in time a time warners, mother companies, Atlantic records right there, like, who are the bands that aren't doing crap? HMM, let's get rid of them. So we were dropped. Trim the fat. Yeah,...

...we were, we were. I was definitely the fat. And then so we were shopping. You know, we had a great team, we had a great lawyer and that was talking to labels for us. And it's September of that year. We were getting ready to ink the deal with gethen records, and so we met at his office on Monday September. Ten Two thousand and one, nine hundred and eleven hit the next day and we didn't hear from anybody for six months. Wow. So, and that's by that point we were just like, and I we hated each other by that point. Yeah, the band was so sick to each other, or at least I was. I couldn't take some things. HMM. Saw I was ready to kind to bust out. So I went back home to Pittsburgh and two thousand late, two thousand and two, my motorcyclehome just stayed. And then, and you know, and the girl I was with the time, she was flight attendant, this and that, but after an eleven took a furlough. So we all went back to Pittsburgh and that's when I started my my own original stuff. Two Thousand and three and focused on that. Started my own little label, Oh cool, release two records and toured around a little bit, play with some great bands, took it to Europe and whole just some thicks, some tiny little victories for myself, just because it was I wrote the first record in two weeks, wow, and found a band to play with there in Pittsburgh who I still love. And then they're still my friends and brothers and music. But I still kept in touch with people in La and this and that, wow bands, and by that point I was getting there. Like you should come out to La this guy, Berry Squire. I'm sure every went in La Lah know who's who's he is. You got to get on his radar, especially now that you're doing keyboards on guitar. So I flew out Vanessa. Carlton needed a guitar player for this European thing, and so I somehow set up the thing. I forget if I just called Colin Barry or something. I'm like Hey, I'm in Pittsburgh, or somebody told him about me and said and said let'spect the call for me. Whatever. I forget how it worked out. Next thing I know I'm flying from Pittsburgh La to audition for Vanessa and everything went well. It was great and it was like I got to meet, you know, the band was awesome. On the Nate Morton was on drums and now cool. Saw shows on Bass and they, you know, of course they ended up on the voice right after that, right, but they were they they said, yeah, I think you're the guy for the GIG. It's me great. Next thing you know, they canceled the tour because she was focusing on something else. So I never I never did it. So like well, I'm not going to move to La and you know, because I was focusing on what different things at the time. That's when I was really focus on writing, write, and stuff at the time. So I didn't really just kind of want to be a hired hand at the time, but then after I started getting hired to do stuff with as utility guy. That's when I maybe five years later, that's when I was like, okay, maybe I should. So then I flew back out to La a couple times. Somebody called me for Barry called or something. They're like you got to try it out for the offspring, Mike. Okay, so I flew out to La and try it out for the offspring. I mean there wasn't a lot of people that did it. I guess I heard. Of course I didn't get it, but it was great. It was like okay, I think I could start doing this now. My Head's getting in the game. So then they're like maybe, I think pink or something like that was was doing on audition. So I flew out. I didn't obviously didn't get that, but it just turned into it was one of those things. I remember this exactly because I wasn't living here. I was kind of going through tumultuous time at home. So I'm like, I'm going to see what's going on out here. They're like and my friend Matt was still living here here at the time and he's like what, let's go out, let's see what's happening. And so at the time I forget that what they called that band, but Stephen Perkins and Ericd over and Bilby Clark, they were playing as play the rat the dragonfly, and I'm like let's go. So we went out and and it changed. That would change my life a little bit and because I met change my friend chains to Losky there, you know. Yeah, and studio owner, Bass player. Yep, extraordinary. He's one of the one of one of them, one of the reasons why I'm working out here, because he he was like he knew. To make the story short, we met at the dragonfly and towards the end of the night he's like man, I got to go to poll in a week. I'm like what are you doing there? He's like, you know, I do this get cover gig. I'm like, okay, cool. It's like this three three week gig with this girl Jenny Galt, who was on the rock star and excess or super over, one of those shows that that works. That was happening at the time. She was a singer. And then he was like man, do you know anybody Plays Guitar and sings? I'm like, I do. He I don't think he knew I was a musician at the time. All right, I'm like, I do that. He's like, and he asked my friend man. He's like does I do you do that? He's like yeah,...

...he's Great. And so next thing you know, we can half from that night. I'm on a plane. I meet Shane and Chicago and I spent three weeks of him and in Poland. Wow, and and it was a learning experience. It's for me and he's and he was like you got to come to La Dude, because you'll get work. So so we did one more of those. I think I was still in Pittsburgh. Yeah, a couple months later, and it's great, Gay, it's fun. It was just a stupid hotel gig. Yeah, and it was awesome and because it was at the Sherton and Warsaw Poland, which was one of the most amazing cities on the planet. Yeah, and if you have never been a war saw, go it's beautiful, but don't go in the winter time because it's sucks, but it's beautiful. The people there are great. I learned a lot and then all these great bands would come in to the hotel and, you know, so I'm playing guitar up there and next thing I know, Steve How's in front of me. Wow, and I was like what are you kidding me? He's pointing at me. He's like, dude, eat, that was a great solo you played. I'm like, Oh my God, you're Steve How. So I said I started, I start, I got nervous that I started playing the clap like when I, you know, all these songs that I used to play on from yes and he kind up, he runs up on stage, gives me a big hug and next thing you know he's like what are you doing? Come to the show. It was Asia was playing at this at the bigger venue of obviously, and we went. It was awesome. Got and they're staying at the hotel and I'd see him the next morning. Is that Walter comes it down. It's Hal coffee, you know. And same thing happened with this other great band called Opeth, like heavy band. They're awesome, but they that was a great band that I became friends with and I've seen since and and kept in touch with since. But it was a great experience. Yeah, so I started here in one place for a three weeks. I'm in one place. Is a great thing. It was weird. It was one of the weirdest things for me ever because I never thought I would do anything like that. Yeah, but you know, it's almost like a cruise ship Gig. But yeah, you're stuck. And it was weird because you get to see the town, you know, you get to kind of really know the town. Yeah, and I did. I for so I loved I mean I thought it was beautiful. I learned the history. We took tours of like what do they call that tour? The resurrection tours. I'm like that because you you know, and I'm thinking, you know, when I was fourteen years old, I was I went to Russia on a little arts scholarship thing, playing, playing, playing classical piano, and I'm thinking I'm going to go to Poland and it's going to be like my trip in Russia where, you know, hygienes different right then, and everything's whatever. And I get there and it's nothing but neon lights and Industry and beautiful gardens and this and that. And so you learned the history about these cities and it's like they're like, well, everybody in this town is under forty, like seventy per hundred people are under forty because forty years ago the war happened, right, whatever, whatever. And, yeah, and all the older people died. Yeah, you know, so like seventy percent of the city, like you see those walls over there? There's they're saying. It's like these are everything from this from that wall up, is all brand new. They kept a little bit of the old walls because they were all damaged during the wars, like right. So it's it was a great thing. Yeah, it's really cool and I love that stuff too. Yeah, you're herestory history guy. I'm not, not really, but I I appreciated it. Yeah, you know, because then then I took a train to Ashwitz. You know. Yeah, I start learning, got it, you know, if you're that close. I did it and it was eye opening. And you know, I always hated history, but I about like when I was in school. Yeah, but I've always was fascinated by actual events. Yeah, so being in Europe like that was great. Yeah, I played in in and Hawaii. I went to Pearl Harbor, Yep, and here Shima in the same year, oh my godness, and that's just do that. You know, I don't give you a different perspective on on history. You know, when you're ready, Oh, Pearl Harbor, tragic, horrible, hearish, threezero people, military people mostly. Yeah, then go to here is Shima, like and a second and in a fraction of a second, like yeah, Eightyzero people gone. A month later, a hundred and Fiftyzero people, gun's, mostly civilians. Just is it's it. But it's the same thing where you you stand in the middle of the town and it's huge to this day and you look as far as you can see and they were it was gone in a fraction of a second. That's crazy. Pretty Yeah, but but I've always sort of a history person, but when you start to travel internationally, it's just it gets in you. Well, it's I don't like I when people go on tours and don't appreciate the cities they're in. Yeah, it's like why go and spend the night at a hotel or I'm like, well, let's you know, I was in Boston with the band that I was in for a while. Actually, I shouldn't even say their name because they're like they're like fancy miss you know, they would you know they wrote the eye...

...of the tiger and yeah, well, you gotta say their name. Is the next on the list of talk was it? Okay, we don't have to, but it's like one of those things where it's like we could talk about but it's one of those things where, you know, I'm like I'm going to go we're in Boston, I'm going to go get some Chattah, yeah, something. Yeah, and they're like now we're to say it. I'm just going to say it and have a salad at the bar, like Boston man, right, get us. You can get a sell it salmon salad anywhere, whatever, exactly. So one of those type of thing history. Oh, I know. So because of Shane he selaski on the wine stuff. He's like you got to come to La. I moved a Huntington Beach, California. Was Teaching at a music school it found valley, having never gone to college. No, no college, but I taught music music stores for I mean I would Pittsburgh. I had like sixty students a week. Well, just just teaching guys. So I yeah, I know you had a resume. I had a resume, but yeah, like I said, I was yeah, you're right. I never went to college and a lot of me thought, well, maybe I shouldn't. You know, are they going to trust me? So I did have to try out for the lady. She's like, you know, because I was teaching, coaching bands, teaching guitar, voice and Piano and and this, the lady that ran that school, is like this Russian Virtuoso. And so she's like what, play down, sir, sit down and play something or care and you read this and and of course I messed it up. They hired me anyway. Well, so you got to La. I got to I got Orange County. I got it right. Yes, I was living in Huntington beach in my tiny little apartment, teaching at this school, and Shane kept in touch with me. He's like Hey, man, you got to come out this and that. We play this Bard Huntington beach every Sunday night. Is Place called Colarny's and it's Eric Dover. I'm like, I know, man, I've heard, I've seen Eric Dover play. That's me and Eric Dover and Mitchell Sigmund on keyboards, and just come hang out and sit in. We'll have you come up and sing a song with us. I'm like cool, so Sunday nights. So I started showing up there every Sunday school and next thing, next thing I know, I'm sitting in singing and plan. A month and a half later, basically from what, I moved in Mitulli Qua players, like I'm moving to Vegas. I'm doing this thing, I'm focusing on this project that I have going on in Vegas, but I can't do this tour of the band. I'm in the band survivor. Do you want to fill in? I'm like sure I could. You know, I I remember the there. I remember too. So I remember two songs right now. And so I learned the songs and next thing you know I'm on stage with them and I never and Robin mccaully, sweetheart singer, wasn't it was singing for the band at the time and played the Alameda County Fair that June. So within three months I'm played that Gig and and next thing you know I get a call from from Mitch, God bless him. He's like hey, man, I heard that you took the GIG. Well, I'm like, I never said anything. I'm like what you know? He said take it. It's you know, they want you. You did a great job. You know, I can't focus on that right the time. I want to focus on the thing I'm working on at the time. You know, I said really, and he said take it, do it, it's going to be good. So next thing you know I'm in that band and it was wonderful band. I mean I it took me great places, brought introduced me to a lot of great people. Yeah, Rob mccaully, the original singers are on, David Bickler for a survivor, and Jimmy Jamison. Who can you earn it with Jimmy Jameson as well? Yes, I am the only keyboard player that played. I mean they had dozen or a dozens of keyboard players in that band. I'm the only go on that played with all of the singers. Wow, that's for fromable, from Rob mccully, David Bickler, Jimmy Jamison and the new kid, Cameron. His name's Cameron. And so I'm I've been. I'm the only key work without play with keyboards that played with it, played with all the singers. That's cool. Did Great. It was. It was it was fun. And how many shows a year with they probably did? Maybe thirty five. Yeah, I mean the first year was my I might have been had when I was in with them. Might have done twenty. And then it started. So that was Robin and then next thing you know, Jimmy's back in the band and so they started booking a couple more. So it's like thirty five, and then the next year after that they're like we got to get Jimmy and David and the band though. Guys, that's both say Hits A, David saying I a tiger and Jimmy Sang like the battle of the Hiou and sturges over, which was great. That which was really good. That's when we went to Europe. Yeah, two thousand and thirteen, we went, you know, did a lot of great shows with a lot of amazing bands. We always played with amazing bands, but yeah, and then Jimmy died in two thousand and fourteen. And Yeah, we were playing in San Francisco the night before...

...and we all went home because we had a week off and we were going to you know, it's basically weekends and so like sometimes we'd have a week or two off and next thing you know, we're supposed he's like see in Denver and next thing you know, he didn't wake up. So that and that. That's so that gave us about a year off. Yeah, and while we're they're trying to do stuff, and that, for me, was was was kind of interesting time for me, because I got calls which were really awesome, m but at the same time heartbreaking. You know. I got the call for audition for, you know, the band that wrote Barracuda and these dreams and stuff. It was great. It was one of those things. I meant I started. I that's when I, you know, I started going out again, thinking, I know, I better start networking in case right happens. So I started showing up this place called the kibbits room, MMM, and got became friends with this guy's immediately and my friend Dan was like what are you doing tomorrow? I'm like I don't know. He's like learn these songs. Show Up. So they called for for key wear players and I thought it was great, but I was heart breaking. I thought I had it, but I mean it was just one of those learning experiences. Yeah, but it gave me some time to do some stuff. I played started playing with Danny Lane right right after that, which is now we're talking my roots. MMM right, you know what I mean. Yeah, so I only picture on the walls, besides myself of course, is Paul McCartney. I thought I thought that was me for a second, signed by his hand. That's great. So he actually signed it to you know. Oh, I thought my wife bought it at an auction, but that was my wedding get. Why didn't from my wife was a Pablo. That's amazing. So, yeah, that was a dream like that was awesome. Yeah, I got my friend Brian, Brian Pottier called me right. You know, Brian? Yeah, because I did a Gig with Peter Ashure, whether you got and so, because guys are because of because of that. That's I got to back up Peter Ashure. I got the backup Terry Alexander from the the Ho the hollies right right, and the archies and all these great artists, and it was awesome. I mean and and and the first thing I did was we did the band on the run tour. So we started we played a band on the run from top to bottom, which was amazing for me because now you're talking my language. That's that's that's my stuff. I love anything Moll Haartney does. Yeah, and for the most part right and and and just hanging out with Danny and hearing stories. It just it made me feel good at a really kind of a dark time for for me, and it was great, you know. And then I, you know, other gigs started popping up. Played Bass for Jack Ross, for great white. Oh, yeah, for a few games on a bioh yeah, that was you know. And they're like, do you want to join the band? I'm like, and that's and survivor started calling again, like I better not, because I've already had my you know, my thing with these guys, and so, you know, then the right guy got it, you know. Yeh Wasn't particularly my right yeah, I actually, you know, musicians contact. Do you know about that? I know, I don't know. It's a well, it's a website now, but when I first moved here it's a basically a networking thing where you went, if you're is moved, her was on the phone. So you would dial in and leave a message and then you'd like play a little piece of your demo, you know, on to the phone. Serious it would put it on answering service. Wow, and people who were you know, you paid a monthly fee to stay on there and you could also check gig listings over the phone. Now it's all on website, but one of them was Jack Russell. When I first moved out here really and I was kind of the same thing. It was like how do the things going on and wasn't really my thing, but it would have been cool. But then this something else just popped up and I so another friend of mine had moved here from Denver and I was like here, go check this out, to get this GIG. You'd be forever. anyways, the probably a year and a half before the tragedy, you know, like that. Friends of mine were on that GIG. Boy and or ahead just got off the GIG as well. Like I get a Giga, I stay on a GIG. Yeah, you know what I mean. So who knows? You know, I feel like in a way I dodged a bullet. Yeah, that's crazy, but that was that's interesting that you did it as well. On base. It on base. Yeah, it was. It was fun. I love those guys. I mean, yeah, we're still friends. Star. So there are a lot of us out of work right now. Waiting to get back to play and shows and touring, and I know I've had to do whatever I can do to take my mind off the situation from time to time, and one of the ways to pass the time is to catch up on some books you've missed.

But if if you're like me and you don't love to read, there's another way you can consume audiblecom has thousands of titles to choose from, including audio books about music production, songwriting, the music business, music theory, instructional audio books and biographies of Your Favorite Musical Heroes. But besides audio books, you can also listen to podcasts, theatrical performances, a list comedy and exclusive audio originals you won't find anywhere else. Right now, you can get a free thirty day trial if you visit audible trialcom dive Bar rock star. That's audible trialcom dive bar rock star, and you can catch up on your audio reading. I'd like to take a second to thank you for listening to the dive, Bar Rockstar podcast. As a new podcast, getting the word out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road, or off the road, as the current case may be. If you would like to support the podcast, all you got to do is subscribe wherever you listen and if you have an extra minute or two, please leave a review. You can also share and follow the podcast on your social media APPS. Okay, enough begging. I hope you're having fun and once again, thank you for listening. Jimmy Jamison seems so cool. Was He equal guy? He was one of my favorite he's. That was he's on. He was amazing. Like when you here seeing, you're like, Oh, this rock God voice is coming out. Then you hear him talk and he's just this southern just a good old boy. He that do. That's exactly it, he and he would. Yeah, we had an instant connection. Now as one of those things we you know, and if we were on the road we'd hang out out, he and I would go hit the bar or go to a movie or something. Yeah, we had a it was great, but such a big thing that happened whenever he just when he passed away. It was shocking and I wasn't ready for it. And No, you know, we weren't ready for it. Yeah, everyone loved him, you know. Yeah, so it's always hard. It was tough. That was a tough one. But but then, like I said, it was kind of a blessing in a way because I got to network a little bit. Yeah, and got to meet more people and jam with more people. And then it's got calls for other other things, to this thing called heart of storm. That never happened, but it did happen before. It was like this Russian ballet rock and La, and they did it before with Greg Bissonell on drums. It had like Tony Frankie's, Tony Franklin and Basse. That had dog all dridge on Guitar, Britt's on Guitar and Derk Trini on keyboards. I got the call because I auditioned for heart O God and the guy that was doing the doing the band for that was the guy from from from heart, and so that's one of those things. He remembered me. He's like what are you doing in two days and I'm like nothing. He's like, well, learned the learn this show up it right. So and that's when it was so cool, because, I mean, I watched Doug Aldridge before and I'm playing this and I'm playing to a tract they and I had two days. I learned it and it's like kind of Prague stuff. Yeah, because shrinny and was playing it and I was like, oh, that's really cool. And you know, one of the first things I'm I remember Doug. Doug was like who are you? Why don't I know you? So that that made me feel good. Yeah, so then I got the GIG and it was me, Mark Shulman from drummer from pink, and amazing Rudy Sarzo on Bass, never heard of them. Yeah, freaking hero, Jeff Coleman on Guitar, ridiculous, he's yeah, and then Tony on Sanna from great white as the Second Guitar Player and Cotcho richer and on sacks. So we were hearsed for two weeks straight and and nothing happened and then just fell apart after that. But it was one of those again, I was like I wouldn't have never been in that circle at talking to his people if it wasn't for that time in my life. Yeah, and the networking that I made, yeah, which was awesome. And it's also is like, no matter where you're going, what you're doing, if you're in this music town, kick ass every time you touch your instrument, because you never know yes, and that's you know, I got another call that same day and I was exhausted by this point and there's a what's what's her name? Taw, I will go out. Yeah, I got the call for her to do some shows. She's like come over to the studio and and by this point I was burnt and that's when I learned I shouldn't have done I shouldn't have gone over there because I was fried. She was wonderful, she was great, but but I was not ready for that and I was intimidated myself. I mean I was intimidated in a way, but I was also like embarrassing myself because my I couldn't hear like what I wanted to. I was I had no sleep because I was doing that other like learning of that other proggs stuff, because I shoot for for her. She was like don't...

...learn anything to come over right, which was awesome at because she's more of a vibe thing and she really wanted to see what what I would play if she plays whatever. And again, I pi should have waited a day or two or a week right and and not been so exhausted. So interesting, yeah, I got that was a weird call, but and, like I said, thankful that I got the call but probably shouldn't have done it. Yeah, but I have had a few of those. Well, you know, I've I've said it before on this podcast, but I've never gotten a GIG. I've gotten one GIG from an audition and that was a show in Disneyland. But you know, I've I've done plenty of I've done playing auditions. I've still managed to have a pretty good career in twenty years, you know now. But I've never auditions are just not my thing. I hate on this. I'm not. I'm not big on in the on the me either. I've done a few out here and you know I got a few, but I hate them. Yeah, I'm I really we do. It's just not I've been lucky to have had people recommend me for exactly yeah, you know, when it came to like he goes a death metal, I got recommended. I mean Slim Slim Jim is friends with you know, he's friends with those guys. He's Jenny, the Bait of V, the Bass player for Egos to death metal and slimmer together, and he was asking Eric over to do it. Okay, yea, and I played with Eric Dover now since two thousand and eleven, every weekend, almost right, and and Eric couldn't do it because he had a GIG and he's like call Walter because he'll know the stuff and it. This was a Saturday and we had the first GIG was on Wednesday and so next thing I know, because I got the call from those guys album in Connecticut doing this orchestra Gig. I do. I do some orchestra gigs. But yeah, we have so many things to brings down in this moment, like we're flying through. I'm flying. Yeah, so it's but yeah, that's who. Let's talk about the the eagles of death metal, because they're not really death metal. First of all, I hadn't heard of them before, and then when I started looking at him, like, oh well, Paris, I've heard of them sort of, you know, you know, like and and then I watched a bunch of yeah, oh my gosh, they're crazy. It seems like Super Fun get. It's probably the FUNNEST GIG I've ever had him all life. It's it was. It was the funniest I've been on stage at my probably since my own band, like my own original music. It was amazing and their amazing people. You know they went, they've gone through so much. Me I just this couple days ago was the a fifth annivers or sixth anniversary of the shootings in Paris. Did such a fun band. Jesse, the singer, is such a great front man. Learned a lot from him. It was just an amazing thing. I mean I had three days to learn everything and they write everything in a different tuning M so, which is it's Open G, but it's not because they the low east ring is also a g. So basically I had to relearn how to play guitar. Wow, in three days and and it was great. And he you know, I came, I said, in with the you know the we met at mates with me and the drummer and the Bassis and we just played through the stuff. I had to leave because I was playing at the whiskey that night. So I'm like, I have an hour, let's run through stuff. And this was a Tuesday. I had to be at the whiskey because I committed to the ultimate jam night gigg which I do every Tuesday. There I did right. And then Wednesday was the first Gig with the Eagles of death metal, which was it was kind of a last minute and prompting thing they booked just because of this that they booked down in some bar called a Marty's martisan newport, some tiny little bar pie by the side of this room, right, I think it. I think it held like three into people. And that's the first time I meet Jesse, because he wasn't at the rehearsals and actually no Jeim at Jesse, because he showed up at ultimate jam a couple times, and so I got see him and never really got talked to him that much. But then next thing you know I'm on stage with him, tiny little stage, because it was just a kind of a warm up gig and it was awesome. It was Potty, like I said about some of the most fun I've had playing on a stage because of the energy, yeah, that the band puts out is so rat so raw and rock and roll. Yeah, it's amazing. And and then next you know I'm on a plane the next morning because we flyed a Vancouver and we're playing a show with Queens of the Stone Age, which was which was crazy. And I get on the plane, Jesse's sitting there and first class of course, and I walked past and he's like, what's up, man, great job last night. And then Josh from Queens. It's good, he's he goes, you're Walter Jesse's told me all about you. I'm like, he got kidding me. It is so surreal because I love that. First Queens of the stony record. Yeah, everything they put out. And he co founded the band, right, and he originally it's he's he's the drummer, right, technically the drummer for the band, you know, but but he doesn't do many gigs. No, no, because he plays with Queens of the study. Yeah.

So, yeah, and that they went to high school together. I mean, I learned, I mean again when you when I joined a band, I kind of go, I kind of go into the history of stuff, their energies almost. It's almost theatrical in a way. It's a it's a show. It's pretty it's pretty cool. I was really into it. Good watching it on and the song is a great and yeah, one of the one of the weirdest coincidences was I I started, I got on that plane I was telling you about and I'm like, okay, we'll find thank hoover. I'm sitting on you know, and they have movies in the back on the back of the chair, like right, it's early, but I just want to put something on get my mind out of stuff, because I was focusing on you know that whole week I was so learning the songs. I'm like, I just want to forget about it. Put on a movie. I put on super troopers to seen it. I haven't but super troopers to but who did the soundtrack for that? Right, I know where you're going. I had no idea that he goes that, that they that they did the soundtrack right, and all the songs I just learned and was just playing with them. I'm watching on this movie. I'm like this is the most surreal thing at that. It was. It was coincidental and to be it was awesome. And and again, if it wasn't for Erict over, I would have never experienced that. Well, yeah, so Shane Slowski erked over and Eric over is this amazing guitar player, Singer. He's played with jellyfish, my my favorite jelly punish, his credits and and then after that he had a band called imperial drag which is amazing. That was his band with Roger and those guys. Right then didn't even go a revolver. Now. No, he was out with Alice Cooper, got you, not the revolver. He sang for slash, its stinkpit, the snake pit. Right. So he did a snake pit for a while and then he was on tour as Alice Cooper's guitar player for a long time. And then he's just crazy good and he plays every weekend generally, if he's not doing bigger and beggar stuff, at Ponchos, which Gig I used to play years ago for for for a long time as well, and it's like the craziest, coolest bar. It comes up a bit on the podcast because so many great musicians, so many either have played there are play there regularly, and it's I was there every Wednesday night with me and cocoa, Oh cool, playing Acoustoga Powell, who's the regular bass player for but he's also the jaws. He's the basis for Edgar winner, right, yeah, and so, yeah, but speaking of cool bar gigs, and you kind of mentioned this before, to that you do the ultimate jam on Tuesday's. Well, you did, I did, you will again once everything. So okay, let's talk about that for a second. That at two, fourteen and fifteen we I was just out on my motorcycle with with Kate, you're on the back, and they were like what's heard? My friends are playing at this place called Lucy's fifty one. All right, Lola, to the lake. I went there too, so I said US see us all about, and you know your Echo Park. It's not that far. So we show up and next thing you know, I it's who was? That was James Le Menzo. was was was in charge of that? That was James lementzos Kay. You Know James, Bass player. I don't know him. Plays with John Fogerty, but he was in white lion and he was in the Black Society back in the day. Awesome. I didn't know them at the time, but I met him there because I walked in and Brent Wood is on Guitar, who I've a a few times, and he pointed at he's like Hey, man, lets it in, and I forget who's I think Ken it was Kenny Arnoff on drums. Jeez. So it's Kenny Arn Huh playing every week and it's so he's like comes it in, play something. I'm like all right. So next thing you know I'm on state and playing this little, tiny little bar. Yeah, and that on all one night was that was a thing. Is Wednesdays. It was Wednesdays. Yeah, yeah, on a Wednesday night. As the weird part about it is that jam, I think, used to happen at the cat club and then the cat club closed down. Well, that was a different jam, okay, but it was a lot of the same people, a lot of those that the same. I was the Thursday night one that was called the Star fuckers, right, yeah, but I was like, you know, I lived in West to Luca Lake at the time there again, so I would hang out on that strip or go to loose, if you're doing it, and then all of a sudden this jam starts and it's just all these Hollywood rocker, crazy hair band guys that still dressed that way, and it was like, you know, Hollywood dudes just invaded Burbank. Yeah, it was. It was really cool because all I mean, also everyone again, is high level of playing and serious dudes that have had serious careers and they're playing in this crazy little bar and burbank basically to Luca Lake. You know, it's it was really cool thing. That was really cool because, you know, it was, you know, all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, there's so and so, there's so and so, and I'm for me. I couldn't believe I'm play playing with Kenny, because I mean we all grew up watching him with with John Cougar and and and actually one of the one of the...

...to go way back for a second, that first band. I was in seventh house. We were being like corded by this by a guy to want to manage us out of Pittsburgh, and he was. His name was rich Angler. He was one of the biggest promoters in Pittsburgh. He you know, they would had deceaser Angler was the promotional company. They brought in Zeppelin back in the S and maybe you know they've responsible for the big acts, right, McCartney, every year this in that billy jewel and he was like I want to manage you guys. But one morning he calls me up, I was a Saturday think, and he's like Hey, what are you doing to night? I'm like we have a GIG that we're playing with this regional band at this tiny little club. It's like what you do before that? Like I'm like God, I guess nothing. He's like you want to want to play the CIC arena, which is big, which is like the big arena, and Pittsburgh. Right, we're opening for Bob Seger. I'm like, let me call the guy, let's figure it out. He's like, I'll pay us such and such money. I'm like, okay, cool, and we can still make it to the other Gig if we do it. So let's do it. Wow. So we show up my first big GIG, like huge Gig, and didn't know what to do. You know, we're used to playing in my basement. I know. And he's like and I we get up on stage to do a sound check. I'm like, I'm you know, I'm cool. At's neat my vocals, like Eighteenzero people. They're right, you know, up the sound check they're all like laughing, they're all it was crazy. So it was great, you know. But who was on drums at night? Kenny Arnoff was playing with Bob Seeker. Wow, and we stuck around for the first but two or three songs. M amazing. Then we had left him. We played with his band called over the Rhine, out of US Cincinnati, Ohio, in front of maybe a hundred people it's crazy. It's crazy night. I remember that cool as I remember like it yes like it was yesterday, because because you know, the Bob Seeker camp was so cool to us. They they were kind of laughing because they knew that we didn't know what we're doing. So next thing you know that I think they saw my confused look because, you know, it was awesome during sound check, but then we played, started playing the show. I took maybe two steps to my left. I couldn't hear anything. So I think the Monitor guy was kind of laughing and he's started feeding and stuff and it was it's great, ha ha ha ha. Anyway, and we got great reviews the the the press. Actually it was great views anyway. So so that happened with a to Luca, like next thing I know, I'm on stage with, you know, jamming with these guys, and then a lot of times James was busy playing with on fiegery, so he would ask chuck right to come in and fin and kind of fill in right. That's when I first met check was doing it. Yeah, Chuck was. He was out, he was feeling basically filling in, but chuck was very organized. God struck Chuck. What I learned a he he would call people and said Hey, he would call me up. All Right, somehow I got, you know, I got to know him because of that. And he would he could message me and said, Hey, do you know this song we're playing on doing like sure, so, why don't? He's like want you play it on guitar and sing it. So for the first couple weeks I'm some sitting there playing, so singing Saturday night by Outon John like every every week, right, and you know, and then a couple times they were like what do you want to play? So I started playing something and and you know, became more of a jam. But right. But Chuck was where he wanted to make it more organized. He yeah, he was like, let's I'm going to bring my friend up, you know, August from then it's the young up paper. I get him to sing a song and we're going to get him to come and this is the song they're going to play. And so they were more organized, which turned into and once Lucy's closed, truck was like I want to do this and and he they found Lucky Strike and they did it lucky strike every week. And and still they would just call me up to come and do some songs. Hey, do you notice song? You know that song. Do you want to play keys in this song from you know? And for Lawzo, would you know, play helping program keys or this and that? And then allows Steve for alows. Yeah, he's he's a different episode. You can listen to that. Great, I love that guy. And then, you know, and then whenever they decided to kind of part ways and move to the whiskey, it was the same band. It was truck and Mitch Perry and Matt Stars on the drums and Matt's like we got to ask Walter to play keys because he played the guitar at to on the songs that need guitar or whatever. Yeah, so, you know, they try to think. They've tried a few different Keybo players out for that and they were just feeling people out and you know, and then they asked me to do it permanently, which was great. You know, I it was. It's such a great thing and it made us such a cool community. That happen every week. Yeah, it got me to play with some amazing people that I would never thought it would be playing with. Right and and it's cool because it is more organized it's kind of you know, lucky strike kind of went on as well, and we've talked about that with a for lots of it. Chuck kind of started that thing out and it's way more organized. It's called a jam but it's not really. You know what you're going to do exact when you get there. So it's it's a show. It's an amazing show with every musician in town and my people that will blow your mind that...

...will show up. And so who are some of your favorites? Man? Well, let's see that. I actually got to back up. I mean the first time D Snider show it up, I was like, are you kidding me, you know, and I'm playing this song and he's singing it and and then he singing an ACDC song. You hear and I'm like wow, this guy get sings macdc. Sounds very same, you know. And of course for me I've watched. You know, what are you gonna do with her as a kid? Yeah, and and I'm sure in the stage. And then, you know, I became good friends with his son, who was there a lot. He would he would actually feel and fill in as a host whenever pauably couldn't do it. Because I've played it a bunch of times, but I would say eighty nine percent of the times I'm playing Bohemian wraps. That's the one song I getty called yeah, with really you played. I had to play keyboard with yea once. I think I've done it probably four or five times, really, rudy at the jam over the years. That's crazy, but I mean I've played other stuff. And then we in the band waiting for Monday, which maybe we should talk about. Wow, we had our only GIG and opening up for the jam, Yep, playing out the whiskey, which was great. It turned out great. Yeah, I was so great. I mean thanks to again a lot of work that you did putting some tracks together. Last is it I did. And because I don't we never even rehearse. No, was just like, okay, we're doing these songs, make sure you know them. Sound check. It's run through to it. Sound check and did. Yep, that's what it was. I mean, yes, so we want to go. Well, it will before we get off of it, though. It's but it's a lot of work. It must be, because you do have to learn stuff every week. I did. It was tough. I mean when I first started doing it and luckily, you know, they provided me, you know, with some keyboards and this that, and then like backline, some backline stuff here and there. But I, you know, as a Keywa player, I would program my stuff on mainstage, which is, you know, a program people use for keyboards. And a lot of times, you know, I'm on the road. I was still playing with the tiger band at the time, and they're like, we're doing these songs and then such and such is going to come and play keyboards and so and so it's going to come and play keyboards to so then I'm find myself programming sounds on airplane or I'm not in the hotel room or learning songs. Right. I mean that's a great band, a great gig. It helped me hone my craft when it comes to certain things. And plus they would give me they were like hey, man, you want to sing these songs? I'm like great, perfect for me, because, I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying to become a better singer at this many times it is funny to me if if you hear you sing, good luck with that, man. You're pretty good. I don't know that how much better you're going to get, but I don't know that. Check them out on Youtube. But it's welter. You NOCOM I'm actually working on my website. So I still don't have a website, but it's what it will be. Walter, you know musiccom cool eggs and but I did start a youtube channel so which. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about that too, because you, I mean, I guess really quickly. There's so many things done and I don't want to keep you here all night. That's whatever, but I mean sad you brought up, though, the Youtube Channel. Yeah, I basically started that. I mean I started one under my studio name, but I never did anything with it, like a youtube channel. There's one video of up of me doing a cover of witch walk or song. But well, you do a lot of covers, like just by yourself, just all the instrument just started. Yeah, it's super cool. March first I moved into my new studio space in North Hollywood and then, you know, and then the pandemic hit and shut everything down a week and half later. So I'm liable. What am I going to do? So, you know, for as experiment, I kind of said I I'll maybe just lay down a cover of so I could figure out in my room, I could figure out what out where I want to put drums and this and that and try to figure out how what I like. So I did met work. Yeah, I did overkill and I played every instrument and saying it and this and that, and people were like what that? You know, I got some great reaction from people, even people back home in Pittsburgh like I can't, I didn't know. No, you did all that, which was, you know, and I haven't like again, I haven't touched a saxophone and, you know, forever. I mean I would mess around with it once in a while, but I never I was never good at it, except except for concert band in high school, stuff like that. Right. So it was fun for me and then next thing you know, someone's like, well, won't you? You know, people are like what are you gonna do next? What do you can do next? I'm like, Oh, I guess I got to do something next, you know, and then I did a king's x song and people are were like, oh my goodness, yeah, whatever. And so I it's hard for me to find time to really do it, because I could, I'm really bad at editing video. You know, it takes me a long time to write. I don't even know what I'm doing. I throw everything and I movie and just kind of do it. But yeah, it's cool. I mean doesn't need I mean one of them I saw. I think everything was pretty static. Just. Yeah, that's when I seem like it's fascinating because you have to watch it over and over to the okay, let's watch him do this this time. Really enough. You did.

I think it's I mean, I don't think. Wouldn't have that kind of time. I don't have any gigs right now. What am I talking about? Yeah, it's but also the covers that you pick are pretty it's super ECLECTIC and pretty awesome. You did that tears for fears to yeah, I so cool. I add Jim Wheeler on it too. Yeah, because I don't have a sun, because I don't have as a Prano Sax and and I was that's my first collaboration when it came down, when it came to you did one with Zack throne. Well, Zack, we did that. That's that. Rainbows or whatever. Since you've been going song. Yeah, then, and Coco, cocoa, and I just did one. Oh Yeah, yeah, Zombie Song. Yeah, so, I mean I want to, I want to do more, but I have a young kid and it's been hard. For how long did it take you? Is the video editing to how much just to do the song? Oh, if I know the song, I'll track it in. No, I mean, I don't spend a lot of like. I did it so I could practice doing getting things done quickly. So when it comes to Mike's and I'm if I wanted to play bass, I want to make sure I know what I'm doing. So that's kind of why I did it at first, just as an experiment and so you know, if I knew the song, like that first song, I did everything in one night. Kings, kings x song, I did everything one night, but it took me about three days to practice the drums because I before I even try to recording it, because I never play drums on it and so it's not super easy. No, that one was challenging. So some of the songs, I mean, you know, I did a totally bets rockets on which I play, I've known all my life. So yeah, so I I'd laid it down every part and maybe maybe four hours tracking all the instruments and then I would take it home and mix it the next morning, all right, on my laptop. Well, my kids asleep, you know, and then, but then, you know, but I would film. I use my phone and film myself doing every part right, and so that's that's been fun. Yeah, that's it's cool. I mean. Yeah, I mean, so, if it's else we going to do, if there's something you want to hear me, maybe you and I could do so. Oh, that be fun. There you go, there you go, I give you. I gave you the call. Hal finally. So, yeah, all you, all you listeners out there, all three of you, I'm kidding. All right, yeah, exactly, all three of you guys out there, when you're being too kind. What do you what do you want? What do you want to hear me and Eric Do? Yes, awesome. You can email fan mail at dive bar rockstarcom. There you go, or facebook or harass me, I don't care. You go call me. Of course, I'm playing based on it. So that's that be fun, because I'm you know, I'm also multi instrumentalist. I don't do it live like you do. You know. That's the thing. Like I do a lot of library stuff. I just did a bunch of yacht rock stuff, you know, and I did a metal bunch of metal stuff, you know, shoes, I got my you know, my my strat over here. You gonna tell you they're so you know, I see it like you know, I'm not, but I'm still not the kind of guy that's like gonna get on stage. I'll stay in here where I can take a few takes to get us, you know, but I haven't been balls enough to get out and do anything. I mean when I used to play my original band, I used to play Guitar, play Acoustic Guitar, and and how a band behind me, you know. But there you go, which I have to do again because I'm just I got to play something. Even have to book my own GIG now. I don't know what to do, where it will be, but if I figet, I mean luckily I started doing that, you know. Yeah, two thousand and fifteen, you know, lucky strike was the only thing that was happening on Wednesday nights. So I started. I decided, you know, at that point I'm going to start doing my originals again. Cool, so I took some old batch of the old songs that I used to have on my old band and I'm actually writing some new stuff right now. But I got Joe Travers on drums and Shane was on bass and, you know, we started playing and people would show up. It was great on a Monday night, you know, on down in North Hollywood or something. It's skinny, easier, yeah, or somewhere as Gol spot, where Molly Malone's or something we've done. So it was really fun for a while because I was like, man, I get to play some music. I'm not, you know, not to not to make any money, but I write, I get to sing my own song. Yeah, and for a while. Yeah, it's great, something writers have to do, you know, like for me, I just there's just nothing that feels better than getting out to sing in your own songs. Well, maybe there's things that there. Maybe he's playing in front of eighty thousand people or something, you know, with the band that you love. That that could be feel feel better, but there's just something we have to do, you know, like yeah, I mean I eat it. It's it's it's a scary thing, yeah, because you know, it's intimidating, like you said, you know, and it's there's a selfconsciousness. Yeah, that that that you get, especially they like. Again, being the network that we're in, and people would show up. Yeah, and then you're playing in front of Soandso and it's like, oh my gosh, they're going they actually came out to hear my songs. Yeah, hopefully they like it. You know that, right. So, so, yeah, I'm really trying to do that that one. Now, what? Now...

...that it's time. Yeah, I've just finished a song that I'm really happy about and I'm trying to mix it. So I'll my I could. I could mix other people's music all day and be fine, but when it comes to my own, yeah, I can't do it, I think, especially if you're singing it, because you get to your your subconsciously hearing things in your voice that you don't like. Yeah, and you're not going to mix it. It's one of those things. I'm run in the same things like, but unfortunately I can't afford to pay anyone to do it. I know. So, so we do it. So I have so I have to do it right now. So hopefully in the next couple months, you were I might really some stuff. Yeah, cool. Well, there's a couple of things I wanted to talk about on the waiting for Monday record. There you go. We've done there's been a couple of episodes about it with Rudy and August so far, and and Joe Travers actually was wonder. We didn't really talk much about the record, but he's going to be next week's episode. So anyways, and that's the band, me and you and those guys. But you ended up producing the whole thing and that I and it sounds great. Well then, think, but you also wrote a couple of songs, starting with one more round right. I was what I wanted. That's the yeah, that's the first one I showed Rudy. Rudy came over after he's like, you know, I forgot how it all happened. I think was it rudy? In August I was a Jeff Scott Sudo where August might have been jeff that came up to me at the whiskey and they're like, you know, we got this project, we need it, might need someone to play keyboards on. I think that's how it started. And then maybe it was rudy. I forget what. Well, I'm dying to hear your size story, because it's Rudy's stories, different from August, different than would I remember. So let's let's want it. Come when it comes to me. No, just the whole band. Oh, how is how it all came together. I just know that August and somebody. It might have been really, but it might have been Jeff. Yeah, can just got Soto. If you've heard other episodes, he's sort of the he's the Ain Oar guy, essentially, that scout for for he brought in August and Rudy. Yeah, and they said, you know, we might need someone to play keyboards on it and maybe you know, and then to turn into the hey, do you have any songs? And turned into whatever. And so rudy came over and I'm like yeah, you know, I might have some ideas that I've never finished. So I played him that song waiting for what was it called? All around, one more round for me, and I actually wrote that back in two thousand and thirteen MMM, and I never, you know, I never finished that. I never wrote versus for it. I came up with the hook and and the rest of the music, all the music for it. I demoed it in a hotel room in Oklahoma, I think, somewhere. I was on the road with survivor and I wrote this song because I thought it was I heard Jimmy Jamison. You know I was in the band with Jimmy Jamison. I'm like this, this voice would be great for this. I started thinking maybe I could can, maybe I can contribute some songs to if they want to start working on stuff. Right. So I wrote it and came up with the hook because I thought one more round. That's a saith you know they're not. They're kind of known for a couple of boxing movies, right, and I figured that might be kind of cool, but it also could be more universal, thinking being at a bar or whatever, you know, one more room, and so I thought and it and the riff kind of rocked a little bit and I you know, I program drums on when I think I did. I Demo it and I demoed in logic, so I just kind of program drums right there. Then they're when I demoed it and I had some like melodies and I said I what I gave Rudy was very rough skeleton of it and he thought it was great. He's like this is awesome, and that's raised the key because I wrote it in a like a flat. I think I was in because for my voice. I was demoing it. I remember. I remember demoing it in my hotel room because I was holding fifty eight and it was trying to be really quiet because I was in a room as pie zero in the morning, but when I was when I was going you're ready one, trying to sing it really quietly right in my in my hotel room. So that's that song. And it turned into, you know, Rudy just crushing it. Yeah, on you know, he's like raised the key. So we put it up and beg and because he's a show off, he's yeah, I'm like, yeah, I should have said what are you do life, but I'm really happy that song. It was on the record and you know, I thought it rocks. We it was fun. That was fun whenever you were there and we all did all the harmonies. Yeah, I was going to say you did a great like breakdown video on your Youtube Channel. I did got it where you were pulling up different vocals that have done and that make up the big gang vocal that comes that you hear on the record. It's fun. It's pretty cool. Yeah, that's a fun one and you know, I'm really happy about that one. Yeah, that's inside and...

...it's time to make it. It's something. And then the other one that I really love. I mean I love all, but found you now. Yeah, that's your song as well. Yeah, well, I never had lyrics for it. So lyrically that's rudy or right, if it was rudy and whoever writing those words. But I had the music. I had the music for years because in again, and like well, not years, but for the band I was in, I a tiger band, I would I'll be getting ready to play one of the big songs. They had a big ballot called the searchers over huge, huge song and Jimmy's voice on that was just amazing. But but before that they would all leave stage and I would play this keyboard soul and it was just, yeah, ridiculous. Like you know, I played this. I had something. I always improvised it a little bit, but I always had some kind of map and I would do some things. And so it was like a six minute thing where they can go backstage and get changed, Oh man, and go get some water or this and that, right, and I'm up on stage nothing nobody else but me, and then I would always kind of come in and queue them and so I came up with this little riff which turns out to be the opening riff for found. You know, that would lead me into the intro for the search is over right. And so they started hearing me do that every night and and then Jimmy started coming out early and started singing along with it on stage, and then even Cameron started doing that later too, after Jimmy, and it turned into this thing and in couple times guitar player would come out and kind of noodle around while I was doing this riff and turn into that. And I started playing that for Rudy I because I've always knew that I wanted to write something for Jimmy's voice for that and and and see where, see where it went, but I never finished it. So Rudy was like that we got we got to work on that. We've got to work on that. So I send them what I had and then I we went from idea to idea and then I changed the chords for the verse and then and then I was like, you know what we need at the end? We need that lighter moment, you know, we need that moment with the lighters. So I said so that's when I wrote the other the thing at the end. So I mean I pi have every demo of it, like as we were in my studio just kind of mapping it out somewhere. I'm you know, I should make a youtube video on that song, for that would be awesome. Yeah, so, but that's where that started, even with the babies. Now I started, I was playing. I've been playing with the babies and there's another I do this key would intro for what's their song, every time, I think they think. So they asked me to do a little bit of a keyboard thing and I started doing that. At first I'm like, you know, I shouldn't do that because now it's on a record. So I changed what I was doing, but I because it became so ingrained in me that that's it's such a cool little thing that I could do in any key, because Jimmy would sing it. We for after a while we change keys for for Jimmy's voice for some of those songs, right and then, but then whenever cameron came back and we went back to the original over key. So but it's one of those things like it's such an easy little four, five, six, turnaround, little riff right that I thought. You know, it was great. No matter what key is in, I could transpose it, no matter what I was doing. So that's why I started doing with the babies. And it's like, but now, if we recorded the song and change it, and so well, now you're just begging people to ask you way. What's that from? Oh, it's waiting for Monday. Yeah, there you go, fair look any day and my way. Until now it's the only thing Bett wants. You was looking for too hard. It's beating fast. Wanted to make on's fine.

This more than bring you clouds. RISPA, know this is bad and that was such a fun record to make. I mean, they're like who do you want on drums? I said, well, if I'm going to be any part of this, I'm going to call traverse. Yeah, and and I sent them all the rough tracks I remember sending. I'm like, that's what I love about Joe and why I love working with him again. And I'm it wasn't for if it wasn't well, if it wasn't for Al Kim, I would know Joe Travers. So I got a shout out to Al because I'll had this great bar up in Valunchio called liquid volume. For a while he was working out and I can then the bass player, a great Bass Player, and next thing you know he had me playing with Joe Traverse and Joe Joe what I've been friends ever since. Anyway, I sent Joe all of the songs with click track so he could kind of get to know it. And we show up. We recorded it at we recorded drums at Jane Studio, Blue Swathe Studios, right at the street, and he's and Joe's like, I didn't get the chance to listen any of it. So he's like just let's just play through it. I want to make notes. And this is why Joe's the greatest, because he's a musical monster. Yeah, and he played everything what was supposed to be. You know, there's a couple of things, a couple things where I had I was talking in this year. I'm like, you know, make sure you hit the riff on, hit this on the floor or whatever the fill or the hits. HMM. And one of my funnest memories in the studio was just tracking him. Because what's with a song that you wrote that I totally changed to feel of and ruin it for you? What's that? Pick your life, take your lives. And at the end where I'm like just go off. Yeah, I said, you know what, he be finished track in it and he would read a little. He had his he has aver, he has a way of writing down what he needs to do and his own way. I was yeah, and I learned so much that from him that day. He's because he listened to it once, played again. All right, listen to us. All right, let's do it, and then he would nail it. He came in. Yeah, I guys can write. Yeah, so what? I've worked with JOE before toocause. Yeah, he's he's he's a monster. He's a monster place Zapp of you know. So our little songs are not not exactly exactly. And but then even, but even on the bridge of found you now he's like I got an idea, because yet he wasn't sure what he was going to do. And he's like a he does that little open, high height thing and Piss this there and Tom and he's like I'm taking this right off. I forget who he said it was. What's your name? Not Johnie Mitchell, a ricky, Ricky Lee Jones type thing. And so he on the bridge when the string or in the orchestra part happens. He's like, I'm going to do this, and it's like it was perfect. I'd like, I can't leave this guy as one of those great moments, you know, just and he did all the songs in two days. He did five or whatever, six in one day and then five in the next because we couldn't afford them for any longer than that. So now and and thank God for him, because he just came and his attitudes always great. Yeah, crushed it, and that's why you hired guys like that, you know, and it's going to save you money in the end. Just, Hey, a little extra money and get the Guy who knows what the hell he's doing. And then in the studio, you know what I mean, and he I mean you know, I'm I I take pride in knowing how to edit drums and everything on pro tools, and there's so much that I didn't have to do with him and he's so great. Yeah, it's awesome. You mentioned the orchestral stuff, which we could probably talk forever about, but one of the shows that you did was the rating the rock vault. Well, that's not orchestra show. Oh okay, now that's that's that's a great show. That's a different show. Rating. The Rock Vault is awesome. I got called because Robin McCauley's in that God and that started off, I guess. I don't know the exact history, but I know Doug Aldridge and some people were involved with that initially. But it became a huge hit show in Vegas. But what I wanted to ask you about this. It also said that it ran Branson. Yes, wed you play those? I did. So what did you see? My wife is from Springfield, just oh forty minutes away right. So I've been to Branson a couple times. I love it's the strangest experience. It's great a lot of ways and I wondered what your take on Branson was. I The show is interesting, but really, what I want you. Yeah, well, what I want to know is what do you think of Branson? I...

...actually really like brandson. Really with a rock group it was different. I don't know people, I mean I I went there the second time it showed up and they would use a theater, you know, and then do it for a week or whatever, or two weeks, and I was the second one. I came out. I'll I didn't play keyboards. The first time I play key I only pick play keyboards for that show. So Robin mccaully was was my contact for that. But but it wasn't for survivor, wasn't it? For was for that I wouldn't be playing with the babies right now, because John Bisaha, who's the singer for the babies, HMM, happened to be one of the singers to fill in on for the raiding the rock ball show, and so he remembered me and asked me to play keyboards for them. The Orchestra shows are completely different. I got called to fill in. It was Mark Slutsky, drummer, who I knew before before I even moved here. He called me to see if I could fill in on keyboards for this orchestral show that Curtis Gut keeper was MD for. I don't know if you know who he is. He's he plays with grace potter. Oh now, cool, amazing, amazing. Yeah, gig that's called a night of symphonic rock. Produce the producers a Guy Names Stephen Cook. He's out of Dallas Texas. He produces these shows and he has a bunch of different shows. One's called a night of symphonic rock, one's called rewind music of the S, ones called circu music, though, which is a holiday show that happens every year. What not this year. But so it's, to make a long story short, orchestra stuff. And I'll get back to the brandson question for an as. The way it works is Slutsky Combra for that Gig, the conductor who was on that show. And that was a night s inphonic rock. I had Luke Graham singing, had Mickey Thomas Singing, had crazy terry nun from Berlin singing and rob mccully, and so the four of them would be on stage. We'd play the mut their music and it was great. And the conductor from that show flew in from New York City because he does Broadway stuff. He remembered me because I because he's like that guy, knows how to play keyboards, sounds, he knows how to program sounds and get them right. So he called me to do this other Gig, this sort music, a gig because, mean they need someone to program keyboards and get some soundscape music just for these circus former as while they while the orchestras play. So then and then they started trusting me in. The producers like you want to type. Can you score? I said sure, I'll give it a try, which I've never I haven't done since I was at party in high school orchestra or whatever, and I never wow, you know, and so I just learned how to do it and then, you know, and we what's the process of learning how to orchestrate? That's really funny. Oh, I'll give it a try. I mean, you're talking about an Orchestra Symphony. Yeah, so sixty fee. They told me what the pieces were, what what instruments were going to be. You know, how many viola players, how many Cellos, I'm going to need this in that. So I kind of and they're like at first it was like, you know, known song. So I did like like we had. They wanted to do freebird with orchestra, and it was great and it was fun because I'm like, okay, what can the temping do? What can the the kind of percussionists do, because by that point I wouldrey I've played with the sixty piece orchestra ready, not or be doing it right. But I got to know what to what to expect. I started thinking, well, some of the stuff has strings like we want to. I forget what Song I did that already had strings. So I'm like, I'll just cop the lines and transcribe, describe the which I've done, which we've, you know, had to do. But then, you know, some of the stuff is like, let's add stuff, let's add, you know, little things here or are let's edit this, or let's what if the strings, like on Freebird, for instance, I've had the whole string line. If you ever. Have you ever played freebird on base? Yeah, like the exact notes. I'm from Denver Man. Like the exact notes. Maybe I don't. Probably I transcribe that for the for the because because I you know, after I have to write all the the parts for every band member the band that gets hired, because sometimes not the same base player would be there. Right. So I transcribe the baseline note for note, and it's amazing. Yeah, he definitely never plays anything twice the same. And then there's that run that goes do Doo Doo, Doo, Doo, Doo, Doo Doo Doo. So I had I had every string or part do that, but then I would but then later on, like as it's got building even more, I thinking, well, what if I counterpoint? What if I do this? So Bass is going up in the ball that they're all doing that, and then the you know, I a think I added like symbol swells or snare swells or whatever. So it's one of those things you try to hear it and then at the same time I'm as I'm charting or orchestrating it on your programming it onto the or thing and putting the sound on on a either logic or got whatever pergos it taken, so you can kind of hear what you're doing right, and I that's what I said, and then you send that demo version to the band so they can kind of hear what's going...

...on. Got You. So yeah, it's it was such a great learning experience. It's a lot of work and but it was great because it got there like well, you know, last year I couldn't do the tour, but they're like well once you write two pieces for it. So I for the CIRQUE music a tour. So I wrote two pieces that I just came up with and then even the the star Unicycle guy hit me up privately and he said can you write something for my my show? That I'm doing in Russia. So I wrote a three section piece which I love. I got I mean I did. I played all the instrument sport and he wanted to record it, but he also so that he could use it as a recording, but he also needed the Chart Sport so that the twenty seven piece band in Russia could play it. HMM, and it was great and you know, and it was. It's one of those things. I'm really happy and proud of that, that I could play with Egos, death metal and whoever else, La guns or whatever, but also and at the end play the Whiskey, but at the same time I'm learning orchestration and how to how to chart and whatever. You know what I mean. So it's one of those things trial by fire and it worked and they liked it, so they kept the hired me to do it so well. It's amazing. Man. I think it's fair to say you're probably a musical genius. I'm not, and well, you are in my mind and really appreciate you coming on the podcast talking to me all about it. I appreciate it to and it's been really fun because I was I was going to say, did you run out of real musicians to interview. I mean we're getting to the bottom of a barrel. Seriously, I mean who turned it? He said no, and now you have to call me. I appreciate it and you know, it's been great getting to know you past few years, and that's what I was going to say too. We don't know each other that well. You know, I'd heard of you. Actually, the first time I ever met you, I was really drunk and we're was that residuals? And Oh my God, that was that, and we were doing you were playing the the live band Karaoke. Yeah, court and Korey, ok, yeah, exactly. YEA, and yeah, a friend of mine me like, well, Drino's playing residuals. We gotta go. WHO said that? WHO's I can't remember. Oh, well, valve, Valerie, Oh yeah, v Yeah, all those people. Yeah, that the Disney crew. Yeah, exactly. Did you come up with Disney? Once, when I was playing with was that Rudy I was playing? I was playing bass for that. What was that band called? With Tom McCool? Noh, with Oh Brenda. What was that? Banthole INSER replay? I was so I was the bass player, frank that's right. In fact, I saw you play. Yeah, but I didn't know you. No, no, because I was doing mad teef. You were doing that team and I didn't know anything. You know, Pat Leon asked me if I wanted to try out for mad tea and I was like I don't do make up to it's you know. Now that was a learning lesson. I mean I said, I said I can't do it, but I was you know, I'm if it wasn't for okay, now we're supposed to be done, but if it wasn't for Pat Leon, who I ended up on a gig somehow, at the lightning at the lighthouse in her Moosa. who was on that guy named Todd McLeod Tat Oh, Tommy Cloud play with him at Pancho's. Yeah, anyway, if it wasn't for somebody, Jen uberally recommended me to pet Lyon or something like that. And if it wasn't for Patt he's like, well, why don't you played the we need someone to fill on guitar for Disney. M Robert Stevens, I guess couldn't do something or somebody's. So next thing I know I'm playing guitar for Thomasino. Yeah, and then they have tom see, and then next thing, and then next thing you know, they find down to play keyboards. So I had to fill in on keyboards for Thoughnis you, and then I think I played. You know, it became a different I never jumped into the Disney hole right, but I liked and in fact we both sorted we dipped our toe and dip the toe, I love. I mean it was great. It's yeah, it was just fun to get the call. It is a lot of really cool, interesting people and absolutely great musicians, amazing musicians. Yeah, and then, well, that's the other thing about you, as far as being on the show, is that you're such an example of really what a working musician looks like. It's not it's not festivals for Eightyzero people every day, and it's also not crappy bar gigs every day, you know, but it's a fun mix of all of them and if you can figure out how to enjoy every one of those things at least enough to make your living, you know, I don't know, somehow we all keep going when there's no pandemic going on. Somehow we all pay the rent. Absolutely, absolutely so. So it's an honor to have you on. I appreciate to get to know you, but, and that was the point, we don't really know each other that well. We kind of just really got to know each other late. You know, have the waiting for money thing, exactly, Monday thing. But you know, I can't wait till things get started again and we can do some more music together. Likewise, at least gonna do a cover on you. We are. Let's do it. Let's we'll talk, we'll figure it out, okay, and then I'll tell you what I think about Branson. All Right, Oh shit, brands, it was great. That's all I could say about that. Okay, perfect. Yeah, man, what a great dude and just the ultimate utility guy. And if you've never heard that term, by the way, it's just another name for multi instrumentalists. And I think I made a Freudian slip...

...there when I said waiting for money instead of waiting for Monday. I'm not I'm not sure. I don't know. I'm just saying by a waiting for Monday record, because we, you know, need we need to help. Any little help can would be great at this point, and that really goes for all musicians. You know, it's getting it's getting a little challenging doing this show in this continued covid shutdown situation because, you know, my original intent was to pass on some lessons and the stuff that had been passed on to me when I got into the industry and you know, all the experiences that I've had. I wanted to it's sort of my duty, I think, to pass those to the next generation or to anyone who wanted to get into the music industry. But now that there is no music industry and you know, it's just keeps ongoing, what much longer than I think any of us thought in the beginning, it's just it's sort of shifting where I feel like the show should go and and turning it more into tribute to these guests, into these great musicians and guys that have had really great careers, and because I have a lot of admiration for anyone who will take on music as a living, because it's not easy and it's not always fun and it can be the most incredible thing in the world, but it's it's it's hard and now it's it's impossible and it's the holidays and we can't do what we love and we can't spend money. You know we can't be making money the way that we like to and it's it's a hard time to be struggling like this. So my heart goes out to all my fellow musicians and I hope you're enjoying the show and I'm going to, you know, continue to pay tribute to musicians and music people everywhere. So I hope you had fun. Star. Wow, you've made it to the end. I'm hoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filled with knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that is the case, and you would like to stay informed of new episodes, live events in general news, please go to dive Bar rockstarcom and sign up for the mailing list. If you have any questions, comments, corrections or complaints about anything you here on the show, please email me at fan mail at dive Bar Rockstarcom and you may even end up on the show. We at the dive Bar Rockstar podcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember, it's all about dreams.

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