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Episode 12 · 1 year ago

Steve Ferlazzo- The Playing Comes First (Avril Lavigne, Nuno Bettencourt)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Keyboardist/vocalist/musical director, Steve Ferlazzo, gets real about his experience during the lockdown, missing out on a whole summer tour. He talks about his time at Berklee College of Music and the unique lessons he learned from the experience. He takes you behind the scenes of the Soundcheck Live jam in Hollywood, CA, the jam that he’s run for the last several years. Steve also talks about the importance and sometimes burden of social media.

Let It Be-

https://youtu.be/Qrkc640GsPI

Music Cares-

https://www.grammy.com/musicares/donations

Do you love audiobooks? You can get athree thirty day trial membership to AUDIBL DOTCOM by visiting potival trial,dotcom, flash dive bar rocks star. They have thousands of Audeobov titles aswell as podcast, guided welmness programs, theatrical performances, Alit,comedy and exclusive audible originals. You won't find anywhere else, get yourfree trial membership, an audible trial, dotcom, flas, Divar, Rocktar, welcome to the Divebar Rock Starpodcast, the show exploring the lines of professional musicians of all typestouring, musicians, recording artists, songwriders engineers, barbands weddingbands and anyone making there living in the music industry, whether you'vedreamed of being a professional or you already are one. This is the POTGASSfor you in your host Eric Banes, and I hope that you not only find someentertainment here, but also some helpful tips, trade secrets and ideasthat will help you achieve your dreams. We have another Berkley guy on the showtoday and I'm realizing that this seems to be a pattern here and I s wear Agou,I'm not doing it intentionally, but I think it's a another testament of howyou know being affiliated with any school kindo works. You know I come outhere and immediately meet Berkeley People 'cause. Those are my network andthat leads to other bur people and other Beko people. So I mean, I think,I'm right now, I'm at five out of twelve of the interview so far, Ia'vebeen Berkeley folks, but I'm definitely not intentionally doing that and nottrying to push the school anybody, although I would highly recommend it ifyou can afford to go there 'cause, it's it's an incredible school, but my guess today is a keyboard playerand has been the musical director for Aver Lavine for many years. He's alsoplayed with new bettoncourt Garry Charon, Perry, Farel and Manymore M andhe's the leader of soundjeck live, which is a Hollywood institution. Atthis point, or at least you know back when we were allowed to play in clubs, it's an invite. Only jam held at theLugky Strike Bowling Alley in Hollywood. That features an incredible backa bandand includes a curated second scet and some of the curators have been Jackson,Brown, Neunobetoncourt, Avrlevine, extreme, Steve, vies, Duham, Nancy,Wilson, Johnny Depp, all kinds of folks like that, and that's just the name offew, but it's the kind of scene where you never know who's going to walk intothe club and who's going to show up it's it's a invite, only jam so um itit's not generally random people sitting in necessarily, but you neverknow, and it's a really really cool thing and it's a big part of the l. Acommunity at this point he's another extremely hard working, musician and Um.So I I'm really happy to have 'em on and please once again pardon the soundwe're still dealing with remotes and you know social distancing but um. Ihope that you enjoy my conversation with Steve for Lazzo. How has the lockdown been for you?Because I know you, you seem to be like a guy who really likes to be busy likeyou seem you're, you're, always going somewhere. Every time I see Yo, youknow what I mean so was it an adjustment? So yeah I mean it. It wastough for me because you know I was literally five days from getting on aplane to Europe. Well Um. I was in rehearsalswith Averil from March one to March six wow, okay and- and I mean literally,you know, and it was funny because we were in these rehearsals knowing that things were like blowing up andthen it was like you know at at the beginning of March, they alreadystarted like the the whole thing started out with the no crowds aboveright Ri how it started. You know Um, and you know at first it's like Oky, sowe're not gonna. So France Ohso, the first one that was out was Milan. So ththre was Italy, Grihe and then France followed and then even then it's like you know,there's there's there's a lot of money at stake with these things. So you know,I think they wanted to make it happen. So we finished rehearsals. All the gearwent into the truck mhm ti like get on the boat or the plane or whatever, andI'm like. I don't know man so anyways,...

...then Germany imposed restrictions and part of our tour. There was four showsin Germany. So as soon as that happened, there was just like no way so yeah.Getting to your question, though I mean I, I was literally busy right after thestart of this and then you know once I knew that the tour got cancelled. Youknow that that was three months of straight TOR pay that I was planning on,and you know I'm of course not the only one, but then that's gone soimmediately. I kind of go into freak out mode because nothing else is goingon, because I was going to be out of the country, so it it really didn'ttake long, but probably by the third week of March I had heard about musiccares and what they were doing and I've. You know just like I'm. I'm sure thatyou know there's a lot of us who do, but I I had a really good network and,and friends of mine, told me about this immediately. Yeahso anyways, I wasprobably one of the first that pplied for this, and I got my check relativelyquickly right. So this happened- and I was like my God- There's a charity setup for dudes like me right they just helped pay my rent, I'msitting at home. Doing nothing. I need to do something to Ike. Get back yeah then immediately. Go from being inrehearsals, with her torrgets cancelled two and a half weeks go by I'm alreadyfreaking, because I'm doing nothing for two weeks and that's already impossiblefor me an then I started the doing. The sound check live beetles cover, so I Iwent head first into that, an dude. It was literally twelve to fourteen hoursa day for like six weeks I mean that thing is amazing. We're talking aboutthe LETAB VD S. honthat thing is just incredible. I mean Ives, we've seen alot of these covid videos now, but there's like sixty five musicians inthis one is Ayeah yet um. It wasn't final count yeah. As far as like actualperformance, I think it was sixty five like seven engineers, Um and and h. TheGuy who made the video you know, did a great job, yeah Ou, now and and eventhat there was like a lot of back and forth, but it was like I m, I'm not avideo guy, so I kinda and again yes, W we've seen a bunch of these, but I toldthem how I wanted it to flow and what's what I don't know if a lot of peopleknow but to have so many people and to make this work? Basically, if, if youwatch the video all of the performers change every four bars right, everyfour bars m NI each each person sent me the whole song. That's what I was goingto ask about so you didn't have like this is going to be your eght bars,everyone, the whole song, yeah and- and I didthat, because there was no way that I knew yet how I was actually going tocut it. I know what I mean and, like I didn't, want to copy in taste. You knowa first four bars from a track and then because the song has abive that flowsand builds the whole way, Grino so th to to be fair that there there was onlythere was only four people who didn't track: The entire song that was AverilGaouno. Although ne no once he's Solos he's in the song until the end Broo, it was the Guitar Soo, pilex andOrreanty as well. So but yeah I mean th, the amandate was, you know, justtrack the whole thing and then send video Gotca, that's hours and hours of stuff to edit yeahand just going through all that and then and then prelining stuff up beforesending it out to video world and all that so yeah. As as a producer for thatproject, it was definitely just a one. Man Thing Gt Ow, so it was just a lotand there was always emails tax coming in from people, but one of the most positive things outsideof the money and and the awareness you know of the charity was for me.

It kept me nonstop busy through like the hardesttimes of when it was all still kind. o New People were wondering what wasgoing to happen, and you know I mean, while I was doing that, I I still out outside of the music hairs thinglike, while I was doing that, I was in the middle of the process of applyingfor onemployment and a couple of these other Um helpful things I I think I'dapplied for, like I don't know, for four of those, whatever grands orwhatever Um, and a couple of them worked out but um. It was fortunate forme initially because I had been on salary with Averil yea previous year,so I didn't need to go the PEA or PUA rigtes fi row you know at which, whichwas kindo difficult. The the initial frustrating thing about theunemployment is just filling out the application making sure that you get itright. Well, my thing was: I had had it from a previous tour, so I had had anaccount MHM, but I did remember the past word from seven years ago: Kindo Likeb N, not knowing any better.There was like an almost two week period where I was waiting like knowhow you like wog into a site. You forget your password, there's a buttonthat says forget password, then they send you an email and you can do yourpasswork right so that option was there, but they never got back to me and I'mlike waiting a week and answ that never came so anyways that so this is not allabout that. But my point was I: I stayed extremely busy with that andthen, by the time it was done. I had at that point I'd gotten on tounemployment and watching my expenditures and all that right I wasable to maintain yeah. So it the process of doing that song at that timewas incredibly theraputic for me and you know helped get me through that andironically, I think, maybe five or six days afterI' finished itthe overwhelming thought of depression, R. that's that's probablytoo much of a word as I've just of not of now not having a task toBaasan yeah, and I was like what am I going to do now. It's like before. Iwas going twelve hours a day, and now I have all those twelve hours, plus theother eight hours that I'm awake right O you. I hear that that that lasted forabout a week yeahand, then I've pretty much been nonstopped busy. Since, Oh,that's great, that's really great yeah. I find it's kind of a roller closer.Even I've been pretty busy myself, but still it's like, especially if you lookat you know, the news or like facebook is like I wake up, and I just don'tknow what the day's going to be like some days ar great somsometimes. Ithink this is the best time if my life, an iable, to do all kinds of things.I've been able to be home. I mean I've been on ther for three years base. Yeah,it's been a nice break. Ut then other days, wer like is this ever going toend. You know so yeah man, it's that part of it is, is a tough man. It'stough yeah! Well, the video's great. I also got a check for music care, so when Isaw that on there I was I o. This is perfect 'cause. You know I I had youknow Rudy cardanus. Of course H. We did a facebook live thing nolong ago, justto raise money, so I could do the same thing. It's like I. You know. Iappreciate the money, other people aregoing to need the money. So we weraised a little money for them too. In a it is a great, a great thing and socrazy when, like wow somebody, somebody cares about US slowly that right! Well,that's that's! That's what just kind of blew my mind initially, I didn't knowthat there was such a thing and, and it started kind of soon you know like I I now look atgranted. The the H charity in some form or another might have already beenthere even prior to claim it, but they streamlined it. You know stofically forthat, and yet that was a a great thing so yeah I was proud of it. I was happywith it. I went from having...

...three subscribers to now having likeeleven hundred o videos at like a hundred and six thousand views. I don'tfor me it wasn't about that, but it was just it's just nice that you know forfor some people. You know it it connected so yeah and and lastly, thelast thing about that before going onto another topic or anything, was that Iit was a way for me to sort of continue. Sound check live virtually mhm yeah, soyeah that that Um, you know it was a nice way to sort of bring all thesepeople together at that kind of that that time where it was still not, asyou know, H had been ongoing, so long Vit, the they mad behanin Te IsiaWasmtat it bemand an as far as the fasebook thing. If you look at my feet, there's maybefour post in two and a half months. I can't do it, I just me, I can't do itI'd like check in I look at it. I get really depressed yeah, I meaning I Idon't get clenically depressed Rdi. I get depressed by what I'm seeing and alot of the back and forth, and you know part of part of this thing that wearegoing through is that you have two different sides that first off are notonly so diametrically opposed, but you don't best. The other like people arefirmly you know. This is where I met. This is where I'm at and there it feelslike. There are no real discussions. Just is just going back and forth.Nobody's changing anybody's mind, which althis has nothing to do with music,I'm not a political guy, and I'm not talking about anything specific just ingeneral yeah and that's the problem too. Like this stuff shouldn't be political,you know we're dealing with a a disease exactly well sine you brought up soundcheck, live. We talk about that because it's kind of this amazing thing. I'vealways talked about sort of l, A and you're from the east coast so mm. Maybeyou can speak o this, but l a as a city is a little different in that I I don't.I don't feel a huge community here. You know and it's like there's people knoweach other and there's all kinds of people, but it's not like. We have likea central park to go to or the Boston common where everyone meets and doesstuff. You know hat we're all in our cars. You know so time that there's anyplace where musicians can meet up on a weekly basis or a monthly basis at atthis point now thithat, the the soundcheck live is is has been a reallycool. You know sense of community is given people a sense of community,which I think Han important thing for a city like us. You know it definitely is,and that, and that really was an enormously large part of it. There wasno question about that. You know I'm again for for me just even doing it,you know it. It keeps me busy. It keeps me feeling vital in it. It keeps mefeeling like I'm, giving back just in the sense of having a forum having avenue having a place where all of these different types of players Bokliss andall that, whether you're performing or not you you don't need to be playing. Imean there's plenty of people that literally just go for the hang. There'ssome people they'll check out. You know a couple of songs or, if there's aspecial guest, but you know if they're, just in theback talking and hanging andnetworking you know all the better Um and one of the things I love most aboutis I love hearing when people are...

...getting gigs right, yelow, likeliterally getting gigs, I indirectly or directly as a resultdby their performing at tea, show you know there re, there's, always tons ofvideos and stuff, so people when there's a particularly good performance.You know that ends up going up on on you tube and for some people it becomespart of their real right. Well, it got me a Gig partially just you know to behonest, 'cause I ' my crig with wit Yokom. I I win in and you let me sing two songs.One night and my friend re well Wen away. One of them was Lido right, nolitle, Sha Yito and what was I've. I've got a great memory, olike all of theperformances and I'm trying to think of the second one, and I can't rememberthe second one, but I definitely remember Lido and I was stove to dothat. Song 'cause. I love that fog, yeah, an cool keyboard part too y Youc a you,an that song, bneely d didn it my friend Rudi. He recorded it. So whenwhite you know ASPR video I was like. Oh, I have this performance of. Iactually I sent him the other song which I did, which was the king'SoleonSong Yea ye yeah. Yes, I can't remember the name of it right now, but ill I'll,correct it later anyway, so I seid that to him and that partially you know thatwas one of the three videos I sent to get the GIG and guy. I think itprovides because it's a great venue too, the sound system at the lucky strike inHollywood or those are people who don't know what it is. It's it's it's kind ofa jam, but it's not really it's like a 'cause. It's it's all sort ofpreplanned and we get to know what we're doing so, it's sort of like whata jam could be if it was highly organized. You know what I mean is thatJoe up and you sign up on the list which I've hosted many of those andmost of the time they're. Just you know you get two or three decent sets in therest of it s a nightmare. I I th. That's you know. The theforemat of theshow is something that I specifically, you know spent time or whatever, and Ijust like you. I've I've been to those kinds and I've been to other similar nightsin Hollywood and Los Angeles o whatever, and I knew things that I liked anddidn't like and I've. I I think you know, for me the attendency as being amusical director was getting things extremely organized in advance, like UmI'd, I'd send out songs in advance for you to learn if the song had a fade outmight find live, ending put it on to the MP three IAND say this is it I justyou know, because the whole idea an and there's a couple of differentmindsets as to how these things should go, and none of them are wraw, there'sjust a different thing, so you know I I wanted it. I personally wantedsoundcheck live at its best to be a show case for either Los Angeles's BestLos Angeles is up and coming Los Angeless, I'm off the road, but I stilllove to play and I wanta connect with people, and there was. There was a verylarge toring band side, man type thing, because I'm I'm that as well. You know-and I I just always wanted to focus on having the best possible performances.There was still no rehearsals, but it's like you know, even if I'm you know inin a band or if bi, filling in or and being something to me, it's alwaysabout the homework you know, and I I was I was kind of big on. If I, if youdon't have time to do the homework, just tell me we'll get you in anothertime. Right, U know and th the the one thing that I didn't like is when I would see people in theCorner Rights Han minutes before with the headphones on you know, and thenalso and and again, because I it was weekly and I I went to monthly part ofthat was to have a longer planning curve. You know what I mean from, andyou know, and also because of that I I usually wouldn't have the same peopleat each show. Like I generally especially voklist. You know try andspread them out every few months you...

...know so like especially for for abocalist, while there were still other still other things going on around townfor this particular night. You know it was like every few months now as far asplayers, when it's two days before and Johnny so and so got a session Gig,which I never give anybody shit about, because that's why this is what all isdo rag it now. Just let me know as soon as you can so and then that's when I, Iwould probably have somebody that I'd just at the last time, because therecan learn th the song hands cold and, like a couple of hours, show up andkill it Rayeah. Well, THAT'S INTERESTING! That's such a I've talkedabout them before already on my short little Podcastur, but Bu, because I'mthe same way like homework is so important and and a lot of people don'trealize I I've always you know. Sometimes you show up on a GIG and anguys, don't know what they're doing and you just think what were you thinkingabout on the way here in the car like what Wha's going to happen, you knowyou knew we were going to play these songs. You know so to have that be apart of this jam where you're you're sort of you're going there to to maybeget a Giger to maybe meet people, but you're also forced to do your homeworkand to prove that you're soebody hirable. You know what I mean Bingo.Thank you yeah, that's that's! That is definitely part of it. That isdefinitely part of it. Yes and we're talking. Fifty sixty musicians onightlike and it runs like a machine. It's IT'S PRETTY BRILLIANT! That's that's.Also thanks in a large part, do to my wonderful wife Kim who takes care ofeverything backstage and all of that and getting people where they'resupposed to be, and all that- and I couldn't do it not for her- and that's also been greatfor us as a married couple that if there's something musical that I'mdoing that, that's that's a large part of my life, while I'm in town and Kimis just as much part of that, and because I'm I'm on stage she's back orI'm running around. It's not like were that. There's like no clashing. Youknow on that night. She does her thing. Shedoes a great y out of it Y. I do my thing and if I'm not on stage, I looklike a chicken that's running around and got his head cut off and that'sthat's that's where I'm very comfortable, my a omfotable running allover the place. Yes, that's true! Well, you beap me to the punch. I wasactually gon to bring her up because it's also you know this is a hardbusiness on relationships and especially when you're, a touring, guyand Yep, you know d how You guys have been together a long time, a very longtime. Um We checked this. We first started dating O. Like thirty years ago, wow, that'sos. We've been married. Now andif. I get this wrong she's going to killmenineteen years, wow, that's great, so yeah and you know I've been toring fora at least almost two thirds of that and Um Yeah. I mean it. There's there's,there's tons of UBS and downs CT everybody has. You know, we've beenvery fortunate. You know that we found Um a lot of great ways to make thisthing work or whatever and and as I said, you know like touring wise, I I Ican't take her on tour and put her in the bus with me. I'll fly her out tosome certain places, of course, for, like you know a week or so, but whenthe SOUNDCHEC live thing came around, it just made sense and- and it wasfunny 'cause she fell into it. Like the very first week of the show, thePremier I had had a guy who was a production manager that that was hisKik. You know what I mean Aciam and two days before the show we built wow. Ohmy God, I'm like Cim thisjs. I mean I got a lock coing Ot Shewas, like I gotit, she got the frigging clipboard, you know, and then she always makes foodand brings you know these treats for everybody and yeah yeah she's she's,the Um, she's, defacing ieither, the hands or the H, brain or whatever, butyeah. It's a good salad arrangement force,that's great and it adds to the whole family atmosphere. That's there. YouKnow D and UH. It's also kind of a...

...crazy scene because, like you, havelegit sunset Strip old, older rock guys there that are still dressed in thegarb that they owned in the eighties. You know and then but the and eventhough it's mainly a rock based kind of jam, th. Also it's pretty versal. I didLido Shuffle. You know like a D and you've got horns and you got stringssometimes and H, so it makes for a really diverse crowd, which is Ka, whoyou know, and it's such an thing, 'cause it's in a bowling alley as well.So I don't know if, if the sound system doit is great, it's amazing. It's it'slike being ot a rock concert for sure thet. So, if you haven't been, I mean Idon't know how they're going to do it. I don't know if they're GOINGTO recoverfrom all this. I am certainly hopeful that it will. I mean at least in termsof that venue um it's not a chain, but but it is a corporation there's, a BUCHof other locations. Um I've I've been in contact with them. We still haven'tgotten any indication that the venue itself or the location is going away M,but you know just like anything else: it's just not safe, yet yeah so and Idon't want to do it. If it's not safe, you know yeah, that's the other thing f! You know. IfYo AV't played there like the backstage areas, tiny hi, I give fifty or sixtymusicians. So it's like a coved breeding ground right there. It would definitely be not the greatand you Aso, you also do a a guest set like a curate or set in the middle andYe. I like unbelievable people like like seven rock and roll all of famers.No eight yeah, IT'S INCREDIBLE! Johnny Jap Yeah S to at was always showing up,which is yeah one of my heroes from my Berkeley days, totally Y new, no Bancorps' coursethere, often so what what have been like your favorite lineups over about?Well, there's! There's lineups there's certain nights, there're certain GEScurated sets and a few themes Um, the the first amazingone, and probably in my top three or top two was our prince night ohyes. Youknow I I think it was. I think it was a couple like two twoweeks, maybe after he had passed, and I don't make it I. I don't- and Istrongly dislike racing to do some kind of show right after something like that,but for this Um I I m I'm not lying to. I cried forlike five days like I'm a grown man, and I I had such a connection to printsallthrough my entire life that just the the prospect of that happening. I knowthat that's it's different for to different artists for people but, likeliterally I I was literally like and then that night I'm crying on and offor whatever Um, but everybody involved in that had a similar connection andthose are the people that I wanted and that would do that night and thoe songs,justice man. I really feel that that was the case. Um The craziest thing.True Story. I guess apparently Um one of the last songs. The night obviouslywas purple rain swear to God. We started the song andhad started raining Ha Haa and it hadn't rained prior to the right.So that was crazy, so that that'd be one UM. Another really crazy, ambitiousnight was doing the wall. Yes, I think entire yeah, Oh Yeah Y. U did from top to a bottom. We had Roger Water Sun. We lit brought a Bthree in you know, and I had the horns: the strings, the background singers. Itwas amazing and that's that's that's another. You know: Favorite Band ofmine, Jackson, Brown, H entire set of Jackson B like the dude, is Jackson,Brown and came in, and we just backed him up ND and was incredible. He wasincredible Um and then you know, there's been no less than probablythree of Neuno sets, because I've known you know, g going back to Boston priorto extreme, even being signed. I've known him for many years. His a greatfriend I was in a band for five and a...

...half years with Hem, and I knew when I started. soundcheck liveand wanted to have this old GESP guescurated set, and I knew exactly inmy mind how I, how I hoped that certain artists would approach it. He he was the epinomy of that, like Idon't believe to day. We've ever done one extreme songs, because the whole idea was that Rdayjob like I want that set to be something thatyou've always wanted to do. But there just wasn't the right venue timer place,and you know you can bring an whoever you want, but I will do whatever isneeded player wise to make that vision happen right. You know so yeah. Therewas a lot of amazing performances. Um. You know there was one it was nuno,Stevvi, Toarello, Copsanon, Guitar, stew, Ham on bay, sobol on drums. Youknow it was just it's it. It was incredible and not even just thosekinds of moments like you know, um another, even just a song that standsout doing Mama by Genesis with Jew Cross and singing one of my favorite, my favoriteperformances. I mean he's a a great great vocalist, whatever e's Ye the'There's just been so many. You know, and I'm just fortunate and blessed thatsomebody lets me put these things together, right, hat'se matter withThema H, man. Well, then, the end and I drinkfor Free Andatmine. That's the key right there. This is called the DibarRock Star podcast. So free drinking is AL s. What I'm allabout ice, Nie, Soh Wha, some would say what's wrong with you for wanting to doall that work. It's amazing! 'CAUSE, like I said it's so organized you you Imean. I can't imagine the time that you spend on when you were doing it weekly,especially but it all we had was a killer dude that that I it was, it wasjust killing me. I mean it was like fifty hours a week every single weekand I wasn't getting calls like 'cause. It was weekly and then I went tomonthand everybody's, like Wow com, youre, doing it monthly, because I Idon't make money at that Gig. I I get a small amount, but it's I. I can't paymy bills off that right. You know and because I was spending so much time onthat people wouldn't even give me the benefit of the doubt of calling me fora gift 'cause. They just automatically assumed. I was too busy it's Kindoflike being on the road too much. You know H, ow, O sighe out of mind, andthen I I went monthly and inside the first month I started getting calls soeverything panned out so tats great well. The other thing that's amazingabout is that you're, not from La and you're hosting this amazing L, a eventwhich is you know, cool, but you H, you grew up in New York right and then Yo.You were in Boston. I yeah I I was raised in New York andthen I left there to go to Berkeley and M. I you know, spend what, whatever years, that you callthem whatever from it's funny, because I I came from a small town in scenectey.Oh your, not so light at me. GETTING TO BOSTON! You know was everything that Iwanted, because the alternative was dragging a cag into the woods for abondfire. That's not me! It's you know, I. Inever had that sort of towny mentality, but I was that, but I knew that Iwanted more and I I knew that you know Um that as soon as I got to Bergly that mypath was Gong to be learning, observing,adapting learning how to socially interract and knowing that you know it,it starts with the ability, no question it getsoverlooked, but that needs to be a given prior to radding. All thesethings. On top you know the platue Um yeah, yes, O hundred percent there, andthen you know from there it's like how how do you become hirable m marketable? Or How do you get yourmessage out or what you have to offer?...

You know yeah, so I love Boston. I mean if', it's a shell of what it was hm andthere there there was a great scene there. There was a great vibrant scenethere for for quite some time and h. You know it's a not there. You know what I mean.There's there's still a couple of places here and there, as a matter offact, I think two of the jazz clubs are still hanging on scholars. Oh yeah,riles, gotyou yeah. I used to play alers all the time there you go. I waskind of the same way I I came from Broomfield Colorado, where I oa n anytime you have broom and field in the name of your town do go. I have to confess something I I lovebooks, but I I don't love reading and it it's been something that I've I'vewrestled with. Since I was a kid you know I can read, I have red books butthey're very time consuming, and I've spent most of my time trying to build amusic career which takes a lot of time. But one thing I definitely do a lot ofis drive in L, a traffic on my way to a GIG and there's a solution thatcombines those two situations and it's called audible. Dotcom Otta hasthousands of audio book titles and you can listen offline anywhere any timethe appis free n can be installed on all smartphones and tablets, and theyhave just a ton of music related titles. Like all you need to know about themusic, an this by Donis passmen, Ow, music works by David Byrn or musicproduction secrets by Calvin Carter, and you can get a free thirty day trialright now, if you visit, audible, trial, dotcom, slash, dive bar rock star,that's audible, trial, dotcom, slash dive bar rock star, I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the dipar rocks our broadcast as a new pot cast getting theword out as a vital part of what it takes to keep a show on the road or off the road he has their currentcase. Maybe if you would like to support the Brodgast all you got to dosubscribe wherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two neesleave a review. You can also share and follow the podgast under social mediaass, okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening, but I was the same way I was like. Icouldn't wait to get this IK B'cause. I was Bor. I I kips New York and myfamily was alt, so I was my whole life's quest was just to get back toNew York. You know and Likeayso Boston was like the the kinder Gentler NewYork at the time. You know Yor Yeah Yeah. I really irearly loved it there,and did you get a lot out of Berkeley? Did you enjoy your time there? I didyou know it's Um, it's I I didn't graduate, which is not an uncommonthing there, but it's funny man I got more than I possibly could haverealized as the years passed. You know when Ifirst got there my very first term or semester there Um there was a lot thatI tested out of 'cause. I ID had a lot of training in theory Ri. So initiallyI tested out of a lot of stuff, but even the stuff where I started at at that time. It came pretty easy to meallright and I'm not going to lie at that age and just getting there andcoming from where I was to the big city, not bea big apple, but youknow, as far as I was concerned, this is it and you know the hair and and UMBand I'm not goingto lie I W. I wanted to be a rock star man, I I I got in youknow, and I was like Oky, so we got this going on that going on gear. WHATGEAR DO I? You know what I mean and the funny thing was a month into beingin Berkeley. I ended up getting into the band that Iwas in and remained in until grunge destroyed it all rigt. Yet no, I just H in terms of the social interaction atthe school, not even just that, but you know the the amount of classes that I'dhad uptill. I left and things that I kindo like math in a certain way likethings that you don't think that you're going to use and tensions andsubdominance and and all this encircle of fence and has an all all that sortof theory. I realized later I was using it the entire time I just was using itas in I'm writing a chart and the...

...reason why I'm going to this cord isbecause it functions as a subdominant, but my mind just knew that Wer Fremthat training and beery and it's funny because later I sort of not not to relearn, but I reacquaintedmyself with all that specific theory. You know what I mean and then becauseit was like I it was like you know you take what you've learned and then youdevelop it or whatever. But then you know it's like. I kindo wanted to goback and resort of realize why I'm doing this and that- and it was funnybecause I had saved my my books Y, a harmony one through four jazzarmony counterpoint, ranging all that stuffyeah. I was in the early stages of the ACYNTH program. Ok, I was going to askyou Oyaon of programming, that's kind of one of your things and yeah, so youso erkly I did, and at the time we were learning off of in Ar Twentysix hundred Fer, like you know, showing a visual of how that sort ofsubtractive stuff works, and then there was like an Oberheim expander. U trying to rememberthe other since that were there, but then it was funny at that time. I don'teven know if there was protools man, no a Coud, iblision vision, no exactly vision. What became digital performer Mar US Municorn Ricompany that is still based out of Cambridge, Oh wow, so they actually, they had all that software umso yeahyeah. I I was definitely into the programming and sound design thing veryearly early on so and then what brought you out O la was that Ao, oh so um I'll I'll tell the e the theshortest St version of stories. I can so again. I had just finished,producing and cowriting a record with Gary Sherone, which was his first albumright after van Halen Gotca, so he had left Van Hal and he wanted to dosomething different and at the time I was N and I still am, but I was verymuch into nineinch nails and industrial, and I had produced a couple of artistsin that Vane. allready by that time and IV of course had known Gary as well,and he wanted to have a certain like half of the record was that it was more acoustic or rganic typekind of thing so anyways. So I had done that Um and h. We had done some touringand that and that had rented course at that point. Nuno had moved to l, a Umand h. He assumed that the easiest thing wouldbe to put together a band of musicians from l, a so Um. He started. He hadjust finished a record called population, one where he sang andplayed everything on the entire record, and then he had a decent sized tour inAsia and he had to put a band together. So he had had all these auditions and hewas additioning keyboard players. Already his drummer was already from Boston or from Hudsonmass he had moved out, Um and Um. The base player that we used on thatrun was still bino, Phillis N L A guy. Now he was, he was a Boston Guy Um, oneof the most notable things is he tore with stee Vive for quite some time himand Mike Mangenie. Ga You got you yes, so Um and Phil was also from the EastCoast. So already he's trying to put together in La band. He has aMassachusetts Drummer of Massachusetts base player and that tour. We also had a RHYTMguitar player. He was also from Massachusetts so anyway, so now he'strying out keyboard players and then he auditioned for like a couple of daysand then I ended up getting a call is like listen Um. I need. I need you tolearn thirty songs...

...to program. All the songs learn all ofthe background vocals in a week and a half I'll I'll, send you the attractshers. The keyboards I used go and rent that keyboard and get all the soundscome out. Well, do four rehearsals and then go wow. So at that point I wasn't living in La,but for the next two year, two and a half years I was still toring withNeuno. While I I was still I was on on the East Coast and I would fly in forrehearsals and then go. But each time I went to La you know, I'm like it's gotto happen and and and it's funny, because the only reason why I hadn'tdone it sooner is I'd known so many people from the east coast that hadmoved out to l a just taking. They were going to be rock stars in six months,and I just heard all these horror stories from them. Yeah s these. Thesewere their stories. You know, and I it was. It was kind of unfortunatefor me only in the sense that I let their stories stop me from doing what I had shouldhave done many years prior right right. You know and and of course saying thatthe bottom line, as things happen when they're supposed to happen, and if ithadn't happened, exactly how it did. Who knows you know what I mean? Maybethings could have been exponentially better. Maybe things could have beenexponentially worse, I don't know, but the bottom lie was you know, so thatwas that so then? Finally, I'm like I got I I just gotto move to La Kimdidn't want to do it initially him had already lived in Los Angeles. Pryor didnot have the best time in in the world, but H I was like look at you know. This is where I need to be for us to have the kind of life doingwhat I do to have the most impact moving forward.So you know she agreed to do it and I wanted to be smart about it. I didn'tjust want to come out here, hoping things were going to happen, so I Ithink there was like a four o o six month lead period before moving out. Hestarted making all my calls in advance for like work. Um Move to La December twenty thirdDecember twenty six, I was in my car heading to desmon child's office topick up a track for Hillory d. So I I started working with a writer who waswho was working on her record and I started doing production work therelike as soon as I got here wow I I I I've been doing that for like six orseven months and then it kind of came to the point where the studio guys werelike well. If this is what you want to do, you need to let that other thing goyou're going to do great afe. You come in this world h at that particular juncture. 'causeI'd already started Asia and Europe, and all that- and it was like finallyhappening like I I had done touring in the states. You know yeah a a at thatparticular juncture. I was like you know what Yo you're e you're.Definitely right and I love this world, but I still see myself as a player andas a performer, so I had made that choice at that time, Um and yeah. Youknow- and I did two records with Nunon- was greatUm. We did. We did an EP called session from roomfour, and then we had to change the name frompopulation and one to drama gods, and then we put out a full length calledlove and it was just his sto vintage retrod belbottoms using mobes melatronswhirleys and Aorson harmoniums and o yeah an so you. So you worked with GaryEron and Nuno after extreme. Had KINDOF broken up. was there any like was that they were obviously still civil? Itwasn't like a bad yeah. It was weird because, like for a while, I was themissing link, because so the the Um, the record with Gary The band, was GaryPatbadger from extreme and Mitemangenie...

...now barren mind. Paul Geiri had already been out ofdrumming for a while and was managing and is still doing that and doing veryvery well by that. So at that point extreme was was broken up and the lastdrummer on record was Mike Mangenie. So did that and then after the Gary thing it I, it was newnow Um, but the interesting thing is I've. I've,never I've, I've, never tored with extreme I've. I've done some thingswith with extreme, but you know that bannd as as much as I've known allthose guys and I get along extremely well and I've written with noon. I'vewritten with Gary Extreme is extreme. Well e. So Y! Ah, but you know I've,I've been fortunate to be involved in a great number of of projects with NunoSinse, that's cool 'cause. You guys did the the Perry Ferel thesound yeah itwell right what a cool record that is man! I was st l IIT again today, 'causeI', like it's, the weirdest like Funky, R, yeah, so cool and Carl Restivo Yehwas part of that as well. Ri Yeah Carl Houseband at he's in the housebanditlad sound check, live yeah, SIP, a and he's great in in. In that context, inthat band, I believe he was playing base and that thatoriginally was kfig on drumsfrom extreme Nunaon, Guitar Parry and his wife Um myself on keyboard's inTony Canal from no doubt wow, that's cool. So my involvement in that was wasshort. The the album still wasn't done yet, but it was summertime and Perrywanted to debw that project at Lala Peluza. So we did a warm up Gig a atthe key club, and then we did Lala a couple of weeks later. Um Lot a lot offun. It was. It was great to play that show and do that. But then, after thosetwo shows, Perinuno went back to finish the a record. So there was nothing elsegoing on, and this was in two thousand and sixand then in October of two thousand and six Um, I got a call from Barry Squireand that this pop check was auditioning for a whole new bandwow, and that was averyl Levine and that's been my geksinse man, that'sgreat. So you came out here and just took off pretty much right, wow, so you've been withaverol for along time since, since jenual sit well officially since Jane January of twothousand and seven wow, that's great, so she's, obviously pretty loyal to herher band andto, her it's yeah yeah, that's all now having such so. Yes ND.That's very much true at this point. I'm the only one left from thatoriginal band, which that was Steve, fakuty, Jim Micgorman, Alberrian, Rodney, Howard, H, Rodneywas a New York Guy Abarry baseplayer Um had had done um a few tours with celly Clarksand Gaco,and he bired that he just left recently yeah yeah yeah. So how is she to workwith great she's, extremely cool she's Um? She is an extraverted intraverb when, when she's around the people thatshe knows best and feels comfortable, she is an absolute blast and you knowalways the best time. allways have a great time on tourum. You know, but umshe's she's, very protective of her brand mmwhich. She could GE yeah,that's good, and- and on top of that you know the H th. The whole thing wasOurour last tor before this new before...

...her latest record head above water Um. The last tour is when she got limesdisease and h. So you know she kind of had to take things easy, so it um was five years almost until sh she putout the last record, but from it you know the songs andlyrics and all that speak strongly to what she had dealt with and what shewas going through and all that you know so um it was. It was a different tin ofvibe. It was. The record was a little bit more kindof serious or whatever it wasn't. Like. Hey! Hey? U? U, you know like Pine pivs,charleaders Um, but the music had eevolved and it was AA blast. You know putting those tracks for a live band. Iwas just so bumbed when the ator got canceled man yeah, but yeah she's greatto work for M. is she really if she hands on with the music when it comesto the records, of course, she's extremely hands on soin terms of the the arrangements? Ontoreen? All that so basically theprocess starts out before any of the other guys in theband. I get the stems and because I've been torn so long with her, I kind of goback and I look at pass tours and I look at Setliss I looke at atarrangements that have worked. I especially look at arrangements thathave been the same for eight years and then try and turn those on their head,because I I'm I'm, I'm conscious of wanting to give a performance an experience forher fans that is familiar, but not um, punched in Gotyou, so so the thestarting process is il will start on a master list of of songs, more theatoror whatever, and then we'll narrow that down a bit and then I'll start to workon arrangements and do mock. UPS for the whole show Myjue go back and forthwith her and then once that's good. Then I start sending you know the stemsto all the guys in the band like a base. upstem or you know, Bird Fr a guitars just the same time, it'll be on guitarand left, and one guitar on right or whatever, and and I'm I'm I'm verypicky about tones and drumsounds and bay sounds, and this was the first tourthat Um had no amps. Oh got you yeah. So yet now, especially our ourBaseplayer Mattie had a Hillik R, Leed Guitar Player at a hilocks and ourrhythm, slash, acoustic guy had a kemper cmperia and my rig was insane. Basically, you know I was I. I wasplaying keyboard singing back of vocals MDNG, running the backing tracks and sending video out Oh wow, all that frommy stage position and then had an mdlike with few switches on the ground.One is just to talk to the band one's just to talk to Aviril and one us totalk to everybody wow. So it's like mission control. That sounds like you it I it definitely plays into my y mymadness. It's good to have, like you know, tthose gigs that last a long time like that 'cause, especially with the popthing. It's they come and go fast, Yeah Dude! Inever you know coming into it. I never thought I you know, I you know you just figureso so this this popkit comes or whatever or the next KIC comes up, andyou know if, if it happens that this one's going back out and you'r aroundand it works out great, you know it's odd because it's not like she'sconstantly busy right, but there there has been a certain loyalty that whenshe's ready to do something,...

...it's like I want to make it happen sothat I can do it rigt. You know sure yeah well shoot ban. You came out to l a youtook over the town and H, it's it's! It's pretty awesome. So what do youthink like? What's the key to your success? What would you tell an up andcoming person? I mean it's such a different world now than when you weboth came out here but h. What do you think Um? Why? Why do you think peoplehire you? I doN'tknowi, you know, I'm I'm I'm very merticulous. U I I know how to get things done, I'mextremely eficient. You know what I mean. I I only get involved with gigs that I knowplayd to my strength, and you know that's that's kind of one pit of adviceor whatever, but y especially now. I I think you know being able to dapt his key one. GIG might call forthis. The next Kig might call for that. So Um, one of the main things for me is I Ibuilt up a wide range of skilsets, with the hope that, whether it's Torin orwhether it's a studio, Gig or whether it's an in town Gig or whether it's asound design, Gig or whatever, that I have those different sort of skill setsbecause I just look at you know I mean I'm at at the best. I'm I'm not a starwhatever I'm not going to be the focal point. I don't desire to be that I justwant to be the guy. That's always working that people know if they hireme that the job is going to get done, it's going to get done. Well it it's,it's going, Ta exceed their expectations of what could have beendone. You know yeah and those are the main things you know and make make sure to keep your chops upbecause that's always the first part of it, and you know not that the whole social thing and networkingand social media. These are all important things which, by the way,I've been slacking on totally because at this time I I'm not. I just it's.That's that's been the hard part, because I know that, despite all this,I still need to work on having some sort of presencs. Fortunately, I've been working a lot yeah borring, the use of that like I, Ithink that I've at least worked myself enough into a position where people whoknow what I do call me right. You know what I mean and I don't I I'm notsaying that I don't need to because we all need to, but I there's there's notas much pressure that I need to be posting four things a day or or showingmy cat or y doing improvizations on piano or whatever right yeah. I think.Sometimes it's okay to coast. You know what I mean once you got the work goingon. You know you, coal, take a break from that stuff. I have to every oncein a while and just like just a coasting just in terms of social media,yes, n t like coasting musically, I mean I mean like okay, I'm working, soI don't have to go to the club every night and bring half Yank hands and bein front of people all the time which I it's not not the most fun thing to doall the time or the and e think the social media's kind of taken, the placeF of that O of shaking hands and schmoozing and yeah meeting people. Butonce in a while, it's like okay, I got a GIG now for for for a year, I'm I'mjust going to chill on the and then you know, as that Gig starts to end, thenmaybe I'll go start shaking hands again. You KNOWSO! I had no totally do whenyou know just I never wind it down, but, like you know, beating up to the soundcheck lie cover Um the peedls thing. I was doing a lot of social media,because that was something that I that I was putting out that I was promoting.I mean when there's something to show, or you know, to show the fruits of somekind of of thing. I'm involved in you know, then I'm there. You know rum, butI I just at least for me right now.

I I just and whether it's right orwrong- I don't know, but I just choose not to be apart of yeahdiscourse the way things aregoing because, first of not that my opinion doesn't matter but for betteror worse, I do not believe that anything that I'm going to say outsideof specifically related to music MHM is going to impact effect or change.Anybody Change Somebody's opinion and I don't want to change anyone's opinion.That's not! I have my beliefs in things that I hold deer and things that Ithink are right or wrong on any of those specrums and Um. The biggest andbest thing that I can do is show to to show, for that is election day, yeahright Y. The only thing that I w like if I had to say anything to anybody, Idon't care where you fall just vote: Rav you're deadset that you're guys theguide just mark it on the ballot, man, yeah, yeah, absolutely eah. You knowtime. Let's all get along. You know you know. Ityehyou know what's interestingabout that. Is that the night that I sang those two songs? It was the nightafter the election way yeah. It was e two thousand sixteenelection, and you know I guess it's no secret L A was was pretty muchdevastated. You know and I went in and I really didn't know what to do. Youknow 'cause, I'm like it was the first time I'm going to sing Asog. I have avoice here at the lucky strike tonight. You know and- and you came up to me andsaid you know- let's just tptalk about it. Let's just give people a chance toescape, you know and like, and I was Kindo glad you did 'cause. I was justlike Okray the pressures ore. You know T T, I felt pressure necessarily, but Iwas just like. I don't know how I'm going to not say something. You know,but I up- and I said you I just said before I start its just like thank Godfor music. You know and like you know, and I think th I think that's a bigpositive energy that comes off of you just to sleep, the opinions away, leavebat home now and let's, let's make some music and and Haimn, and provide someentertainor entertainment for these. These crazy Hollywood people tonightyou know, that's yeah, you know there. Therethere's plenty again if there are other people that have a a different take onthat no one's wrong. I just you know in in terms of of that night and somepeople may disagree. I didn't want it to be a social platform. Right wantedto be a knight of escapism. I wanted to be a night of popcorn and and and Pepsianouling and Bowling and Bawling. Well, it always is, and it always willbe again. I'm sure I mean, like you say, Lucky Strike is a big company, sohopefully that's going to continue once we can a be normal, but I reallyappreciate your you taking the time and and talking to me- and this has beenawesome. I think thank you so much for having me and asking I. I saw that youhad had derregon. I still need to listen to that one. Ijust have that time, but I will, and you had Gen Oberley an chat,righttchatnit Berkeley, man Oi know I forgot about this story. Chad N Iplayed in the same coverband not at the same time, not at Thi time, but it'sreally funny. I didn't know Chad Well Sha. That was a little bit before mytime, but I, but there wes some friends that we had that were mutual and thethe one thing I took from him. I swear it so bizarre. I remember him sayingyou know that he was in this cover band called the cadtunes and it was like thehighest Pang cover gig in Massachusetts. That was like seven years, but before Igot a call and then I I've gotten a call about it and I I hate to keep going our finishing up,but it's orry funny stories so um at the time I was living in Massachusetts.My wife and I had just bought a house in Providence, Rhode, island mm, okaywith the intent just to flip it. The intent. Wasn't. Oh, my God, Providence,I'm stove, but B T but anyways. Just prior to that,Um was Um. I I think at the time I I had done. I was still doing stuff withNono, but it was like tours in the summer or whatever, so I had taken aGig very short lived at the Gitar Center on commades Goom and like, andit was funny because I didn't...

...particularly like it, but I was veryknowledgeable about gear, so I came in and like in like two months. I I wasthe topselling sales guy, not because I was a good salesman. Ican't even speak well. I just knew the care not very passionate, a pass itabout the GATERSO UM so yeah. So so I'm working a Guitar Center and then I'mmoving to Rhode Island, an I was. You know I told Magi', look at Saca Guythanks a lot. I appreciate it. You know, but I m I'm moving and they're likewell, you know, we've got a location and I'm like your location in RhodeIsland is going to be nothing like Tom Av. So I made the move and then amanager makes one last ditch thing to like call me and he's like. Look itokay, you don't like Providence. Why don't you still work at COM AV? Wellpay for your gas. Will I pay you a travel stiping we and, and then he'slike Oh yeah. By the way some dude came in Um was asking about you. There'ssome cover band. That was looking for a keyboard player and I was like I'm nottaking the KIG. Give me the dude's phone number. I I did that cover GIG for pretty much up until I moved out hereWen. So like pretty much, I don't know for the past twenty five years. I don'tthink that I've done any work that hasn't been directly music related wow.That's amazing! That's so funny yeah! We talk all about it on on his hisbudcast, Oh y, n'tmention, you, but he jalks up. You know his his time withthem and how how much it paid and stuff it was pretty crazreadedidt yeah, that's awesome yeah! Well, hefunny thing is. Is that I I don't remember the year, but I was playing at scholars with withCecomanzui one time yeah dad and his brother. She as a twin brother, yeah,of course, ynhis wife Ndarica, we're playing a GIG in Boston as well withRichard Street, from the temptations used to play with, but anyway, so I getoe my gig and gets over there. We all get in their rented car and drive outto quincy mass to see catunes, and I I'm pretty sure you are still in theband at that point. Oh Yeah, Oh, my God, I totally was. I remember that I, thethe Gig the Benny, was a place called thea beach comber. I think yes beh overthat's exactly right, yeah he comered Quincy. I I O God. I don't Cremar. Iremember meeting you necessarily, but I I saw you came here but at's great. U We go way back. Gan Yeah Man Awesome,anywaywell thanks again man. This has been totally great and Um. I can't wait for things to start backup again, obviously same here. Man and you know we just got to stay busy Thi.This pod cast is great. You know what I mean it, it's a way to stay connected,so it's awesome man and once again, thank you so much for having meappreciatit. Well, that was just jampacked withlessons I thought, but a couple of Hem, that's stuck outto me. The first one was don't let other people's stories stop you andthat's such a big thing. 'cause, you know, l a can be a very scary awfulplace, but it's not necessarily going to be for you. Everyone set ofcircumstances and likes and dislikes are different and and maybe theirpersonality or what they enjoy. Maybe they they missed winter. You know, butthat's not necessarily going to be you and and believe me before I came outhere. I heard horror story after a horse story, especially if you live ina smaller place. Um, that's more likely what you're going to hear. But it's been wonderful for me and it'sit's it's an amazing city. It's a tough city t be prepared, but Um don't be scared. The second thing that he brought upthat I really enjoyed was the playing always comes first and he said it oftengets overlooked, which is true. You know, you know you gotta have a look.You know you' got to have a good personality. We talk about all thatother stuff, a lot on the pod cast, but at the end of the day, if you can'tplay you can't play you K Ow, like the plan, has to be number one andgrowing up in a small town. I I always heard things like you know: you'd seesomebody on m TV and you er like Oh, I could do that Gig. Well Yeah. Youprobably could do that Gig, but the guy that has that gig is bad ass.You know, or sometimes people call from other places and hey. You know. If youknow anybody who needs a good rhythm, guitar player. Let me know,...

...and the thing of it is people aren'tlooking for an OK guitar player. You know we're in La there's hundreds ofGreet Guitar Players Tho choose from, and why would you pick a mediocre guy?Not that you don't have something to offer, and that doesn't even mean thatyou won't be able to get a good gig. If you come here, you know at whateverskill level you're at, but if you want to really give yourself the best chance tosucceed, you need to be the best player that you can be. I always use the MONTRO. The bestplayers get the best gigs and it's not always necessarily true for sure, butif you think that way, you'll have a much better chance at working, becauseyou're Gonta, you know be motivated to be the best player that you canpossibly be, and that's really your insurance I've never heard anyone say I didn't hire him because he was toogood. The charity that we mentioned is called music cares and it was actuallyestablished in n Nineteen Eightynine by the National Academy of Recording Artsand Sciences, which are the people who give out grammys and they've, givenaway forty eight million dollars over the years to artists in need. So I willinclude a link if you'd like to donate since there are at this point manyartists. Indeed, the Kings of Leon Song that we couldn't think of is called you,somebody that I sang at the soundcheck live jam at the Luggy Strike and dosmenChildin ecause. You don't know who he is he's a hit song writer. He cowrotelike living on a prayer by Bonjovi and dude, looks like a lady by Aerosmith, Nand tons and tons of other heads to look him up and Barry. Squire is a guyin town who finds players for recently signed artists or like also big artistsand puts puts bands together for them and so he's a great phone number tohunt down. When you first moved to town, it's not necessarily listed you're gonou just have to meet people an and get it years ago. He called me to audition forRobin Thick before anyone had heard of him, but I didn't get the well. I hope you enjoyed the show wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to stay informed, it new episodes of liveevents and General News, please go to dive Bar Rockstar, dtcom and sign upfor the millonest. If you have any questions, comments, corrections orcomplaints about anything you hear on the show. Please email me at band mail,an Dibar Rock Star DOTCOM and you may even end up on the show we at theDiebar Rock Star podcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening andremember. It's all about dreams.

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