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Episode 29 · 9 months ago

Stan Sargeant- 500 Bucks And My Car (Barry Manilow, Keb Mo, The Tonight Show with Jay Leno)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

From his home in Venice, Italy, bass player, singer, songwriter, Stan Sargeant, talks about recording his new album, “String Theory” during the pandemic and in two different countries. He recalls what it was like working on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the not so grueling, TV show schedule. He reveals how he got from studying biology at Howard University to being one of the busiest bass players in Los Angeles.

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String Theory:

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...yeah, that's good Ermusician, o. Now wefind a way for it. You know thers part of our nature e we Gitd ofinterwoadsanyway, so we selain thus be creative and that's e much how hat happens witheverybody yeah so just be a deluge of people of coming out with CDs and and podcast and Podcast Y. hopefully this vaccine ill fix stuff,and you know at least get us back to work. You know I'm hoping I'm hopingit's it's kind of difficult to tell personally, I'm not afraid of it, but I'm afraid for my friends more thananything else. You know I mean, for example, I work wor, very Badalo, heshes. Seventy seven down wel there's no way I wanted to go up on a stationbusiess like just so I can make some money. You know thus brans. You know I would much. Rather he be just youknow, relax mayby, retire and work when he felt like it supposed to put in hislife at this and is fans. You know so right, I thought, Barry Mannilo didretire. He did kind of the same way, James Brown retired. You know so Ithink he went home out a couple of months. He got completely bored anddecided to go back, and so he was happy what he was doing. Youknow we had a residency in Vegas, and so you know he would stay there. Hestayed on top of the hotel, the pentause andshe. Basically there's amansion sitting on top of the hotel. It's just it's just crazy. It's I wasPesiallyso Matchin, alow and so everything's over the top Eythem. So we say so: Dong E W play for threedays and toy go back home and you Knowgoo Cate Locke. You know if youseem very comfortable a he didn't like to travel a whole lot so especially flying. So this is a perfect thing for him.Hopefully the hotel stayingfloat, it's just. It was difficult to tellright now. Well, Covid is something that you might know something aboutbecause you're an incredible base player, but you actually have a degreein molecular biology and Y. am I correct in that yeah? But I don'tremember I that I mean Soi was Al that good, when I was doing it completelygoon now. No, but I do have. I do have a greatlove for for Science and yes, we did. We did some study. You know, BasicalyBolicobology is a study of protein formation. That's what you'ran like aso mar and aand how to NTERACT and how you make the proteins that that youknow because function, but we did have some study in viruses and you know basically how theyfunction. How they work, you know how they jus attack, Vares a visusus typebacteria and andselves and and its allly to watch. So how did you get from biology to baseplaying, or was it always a Thoug da at the same time, or actually it was at the same time I Iwas playing music Bo, but since I was like maybe seventeen sixteen years oldike to play drums, I started that when I was for, I started playing the Baseinabout sixteen. I wouldn't allow to bring anyjob to to school, so I took up the base and exclusively andand actually use the base Nord of the pay for some of my school, my motherpaid for the first year and then I work at night and that got me through.I got me Trou school and you work at night playing in bars and stuff. Yes,yeah you playedi for Holward Johson. No, no! I nolthat's a good gig. I take thatGIG. Now oho, it was great. Gu still take that GIG. Now you know yeah didn't make much, but you know its. It was enough to I mean when you're a kid in college. Nobody makes muchmoney, you know right. Yeah and thit was also a worksate program. Iwonder Howi University and the one thing I klow about that school is thatthey they took their time with very nertary school LE, say if you're havingany problem with their studies, they would immediately assign someone tohelp you out Tut sign a to as someone that was up e classman to help you out. If you didn't have eough Bondy tey findsome way to find so work either working at the hospital I wonte to the hospitaltherewe. There were certain fusiness officers that had affiliation with theschool, so they maey Shoulda that you gotthrough. You know I'll always be grateful to that school. For that andyou were taking music classes as well. No, no! I did not take any music clest. I wouldhang out intemuse departments, but I didn't take any classes and I, asabout o fact, when I first went to Howard, I wanted to audition for themusic program. So I went in and...

...the Gairman listened to me for aboutten seconds and then he said: Stop Det. we do your favor you'll never make itis a music busiess by another major. So that's what I did wow it's a hilarious story, becauseafter that, when I graduated, if I ended up doing a lot of commercialsaround town, not a recording- and I would finish laying down the bace andhe would come Intodo- a horn sap for part of the horn section ye ill come in and final time with a met him Ba Madalohad a const, tern Washington DC, a UC highest orchestra, and so I'm I'm practicing and- and Ilooked out the OI section city right next to me and he's sitting right thereyeah Li on Cincidence, O God lrs, that's amazing, and this is in DC.Obviously, and you D, You grew up in DC or no no go Fom New York. I was born in Dt. I moved up to NewYork whet. I was about eight five years old, cadyou yeah, so I'l New York and came to school and then ended up staying in DC for about twelveyears or so so then, how did you learn how to play the base? Are you this selftaught or you taking less pickit UPTHAT's? Why I play it upside down thebackwas I Picu H, oby, the Tim someone told me it was too late. I Trie Tyng to get the other way aroundit. Just I don't know how you guys do it man M, not wrong. You're wrong is theBote, the fast trains on the bottom o the top wow? I guess I never thought about it.I should have so I guess I play it. The wrong way absolutely is funny because I've been watching alot of ye play the last couple days and just on Youtube and whatnot, and- and it's really somewhat hard to watch forsomeone it's just twist, my brain up so becauseyou also when you're doing the popping and slapping it's like completely theopposite of what would normally occrer like your you're slapping with yourfingers and popping with your thumb and it's just it's crazy to watch and sogood at it. It just makes me it's like a disoriating thing of like what how have I been so wrong. I appreciate the compliment. I guess,as a Musiciayou knows always a work in progess and the sound is close. Youknow it's close to cool people, but it's not quite you know it's not quitethe tump and there's so many tricks that at you guys can do as I can't do.You know I try to find ways around it. INS. Sometimes I can actually hit thenotes and make it sound kind of way like triplets and stuff like that, but it's not quite tho say, but but itgives you a completely unique sound which is pretty cool and you know I'veI've when I first moved out here, I subb for you. You know quite a bit likeI remember I subb with Chuck Wans Lea's band, which is a casual band. You knowlike weddings and stuff and Johnny Friday was a drummer and he wastelling me one time: thit's like yeah. It's really hard to it's really hard tosub for stand because of his tone, because no one can get that tonebecause you'r you're kind of tapping the strings versus not always but likeyou have this kind of it's not really slapping, but it's not really just aregular finger sound, and so it shipped me out for a while yeah I love Johnny Budday. He he's just.We fell in love, wit, we first bat and when he first got into town- and hecame in because he got called a bi, Chevy Chase show oand and he said thefirst day came on here once the camera light turned on and he saw a chevychase his face. He knew it was over, is done, he's not is s Abes and he was right, yeah and wowyeah. I think jevy chase actually admits that he just wasn't prepared. Hedidn't really take it seriously. He thought he was going to go on there andjust just coof off and it's too bad, because the potential of that show wasso cool sure sure Yeu got a good reputation. He had a good following, I guess some people take to it.Naturally, I think t the main thing with I come to a show like that. Youcan't take yourself too seriously. That's one thing: I liked about Ja Leoj leto. What you saw there was wa who he was you know and he felt comfortableitwas like it was like he was in his.

He was on his couch, and so it wasn't.The thing where he was trying to to be be somebody who was being Ja lete butyeah. You know you know actually Chok Wassley is where is the CHECKWA SupakioH, very cool yeah that was hes great phenomenal, entertainer and t that Gigjust kicked my butt because I id I was not the reader that I thought I waswhen I got to towt and then and I was just thrown into that band of onominalplayers. You know and and I'd also was new to Chowen. I didn't have thevocabulary because I figure, I think each city has its own vocabulary. Youknow and- and I was from Denver very different set of tunes than than La soI got here and- and you were like yeah you just you know, play the songs, youknow and read the ones you don't like. Okay, that sounds great no, it was like,but it was like big band charts with very notated baselines, you know andand no cortsytls. You know- and I was like: Oh it's like this. Okay, I'mgonna this and it go wat one after the other. Go Go, go they're! Just screaming charts, Trart,no yeah, oh chuck wit hilarous because he likes to be frantic he trives onbeing frantic. So He Siki, O Wu, say Thaeon. Thirty fourit will grabiwr playGra the bext chart yeah. Now you know now after twenty years in La no no I'm usedto it and now it's good, but as a kid from Denver. I was just like what isthis. This is and then you know so I'm sure at the time Johnny Friday, justhated me and Amelio Pilame was was the keyboard player just yea phenomenalplayers, you know, and then I was just trying to keep my head above water. Youknow, oh no, I look. I sympathize with yousat that was not aneasy Gig. It stuff goes by fast and these guys have beendoing it for a long time. They've been going for BEC shars forever. So rightthey knew tha, they know the Goll, and so I'm sure they were understandingabout it. So Fajonni foddy fo man. No, he was sure to give me some shit about it. Itwas you know, lovingly. I suppose I don't know he's a cool guy, great great,phenomenal drummer. So, like you know- and I had actually before I moved here-I was playing with nels ran jol and we had done a show with Tom Scott. We wereon the same bill and Johnny Frenday was playing drums, so I had run into himbefore. So I knew that ts, this monster drummer and then I moved to La and liketwo months later, I'm sitting on the bandstand with them and I was a littleintimidated anyways. But what a way to start your career in Laa, you know justjo just trial by fire. You know that's the way to do it, freshnear. So so you move to La what brought youout to la well, I was tling our band ind DC kind of abig Fishn, a small pond. At the time I was together with Ab Kesand and Hame got. She Got Recko contract and she got called to dosome sidework on a movie. You know not a speaking roll, but she just had a lotto do lot of walking and lot of stuff, and so she thought might be excited tocome out. So we moved out. I had about five hundred dollars afterpaying for a bunch of other stuff. I have five hundred bucks in my and mycar. You know so what I did wat anyone else with byhundred dollas in the car would do. Was Li got to La and I got a mess. I got amessenger job that way I got used to getting around doing where everything is and at nightI picked up a few gags. What was that legend of Hollywood? Have you ever played thet before no Huh?Okay, it's a litte. I is a jazz place, that's on on Hollywood Boulevan, and soI played there at night. Now I was about about forty a night and m better keyboard playen, an carenherDandos, and she basically taught me every song known the Banki Iplayed with her for about Olf and off about three years and she b verythalented knew how to accompany everybody play any song. An any key,and by the time I was done with her, I knew virtues of whole Bluebo, so paytose, Chuck Qualiy iks a little bit easier yeah and you eventually I mean we'reskipping ahead a lot, but you were talking about Jane Letno and for a goodfour years or so two thousand and two...

...two thousand and six. You were thebaseplayer for the tonight show which is kind of a dream GIG, if you're in Lawas that something that you had dreamed of being or it just something that fellon your lap and you just didn't- or it was one of those things up, felith mylap so funny, because when I was in college,I you know ithinking about being a musicion.Instead of going to the MED school and of course, I'm one of my mother'sfriends, Teg, Oh yeah, sure maybe you'll play on e tonight show, but no no! No, it happened just by chance.What happened was an and this show his Coese to show you TNOT we're talkingabout casuals. I met the Guyi named Kevin Cloud,Drummer B. He and I click pretty well, and they got to be good for friends. Hegot a show with Howi mantout and called me for it, and so I played that theydidn't have any space. He was on Tarmout and they didn't have any spaceat paramount. So they did the recording AF MBC studio, one Ja Lenno show as on studio to Bo acrossthe hall. So I got the be friends with smity doing swidy spok, no general. Thank you tthe way, TS, Araa, Marman, yeah and sothat show went under. I went back to play with Barre, MataloBerry did a show on the tonight, show and got a chance to say, hid toeverybody and and then we left to go to Milwaukee. We had we played, we played two showsand then we had three days off and and so at that time, Noso Barry had a wholelot of funny. You got a private Jut, he sai I'm going home an don't want tocome on with me and I was like yeah. I need to wash my clothes and so I wenthome. I walked in the door the phone ray as soon as I walked in the door,the fold ray and it was it was coming. You backs wow ad, I not gotten on thatplay then I would have missed a call and the were. There were other peoplethat were in live, and so I would have missed that call. Someone else wouldhave gone and I probably would hever have done the gate, but I would not have been thought of. Had Inot been on the Highmandel show and met Marve and an met Kevin and they had athey knew me. They did do my play. I would not have been on the High Mandeshow head Ed Nopin for Thi strummer. I would not have bet that drummer had Inot done the casual yeah. So as you a question about stufffalling to your lap, yes follow my lap, and that was it's an interesting gig. Iremember at the time when you got t you were talking to me a little bit aboutit and how there'sit's not only like the bandleader. You have to sort ofplease, but the network is very involved and there's kind of a lot ofpressure was it cause, lie pressure, GageItsplitut? No, it's not it's not te dig itself. Wait was enjoyable. I didn't feel any pressure in it at thetime. I had a very good memory. You know so yeah when I first got there Kevin just said:here's a hundred songs, learn teeds and okay. I C everize that a learn learndthe songs right so wasn't e playing pressure. It's knowing when to talk andwhen to keep yer mouth shut and TV is like that TV is, is its canbe pretty cut for sometimes now now jy himself, he seemed like a very niceguy, the other people that are around there that seem like they're, very nicepeople. You had to be very careful, and so I was told not to talk to anybody. Youknow tha M, don't talk to anybody, that's crazy! You Know Lat Bu Pass OOnein the hallway. You say hello, you know, but I will say this: You know ingeneral it was. It was typical TV, but the job itself was. It was somewonderful experience. I loved Eer bited of it and that's all I could say because I'mdoing not the sculture so gota understood. Can you talk about like theschedule? Was it a? Was it a? Is it APOENTERC? I have more jealous baceplayers. Basically it was. You know we go onfive days a week. Typically, our call time was teno'clock. We film at four and then we go home. Sometimes all car time. I'll calltime was two o'clock and be film it for go home wow. Meanwhile, you know you,you get all these resitual checks. I remember complaining bcause. I wasgetting so many resitual checks, I'm...

...going to do with all these trecks igh quality, pagaces yeah right right, hi ser. I th that's CAA. Coming back tome right now, as yea, you thought your a hot shot. Here you go. Some covid foryou yeah check my wew and you also got to play with otherguests and stuff, and artists and stuff did doe you. You need to accompany alot of awesome. People like who are some of your favorite people that yougot to play with. I gets some most memorable, one witpoparradi. I never would imagine any time im in my entire life that would beplaying with poperrody, and so of course, I asked Hem if I cul put themon right a my resume. He only played one song, but you knowit was just just an amazing amazing episode in my life. You knowjust just I'll tell you the most amazing, mostamazing episodes on Holiman del show on et a pape hive, Dolly part yeah, the classiest woman. I think I'veever Ben. I my life, just a sweet down to Earth, wonderful, human being right,and so we're talking about the the music and she's she's saying: okay.Well, we gotto figure out where we're going to cut it because Yoon O have. Weonly have two minutes, so you can take out this celeba and when you see herespecially your live, your eyes immediately, go down that you a Ayodown and that's of course, she's wearing alowcut thing and and she's blike busting out all over it. So I'm lookingand she catches me looking and if I could turn red I would have you know and she catches me looking and shelooks at me. She goes enjoy him why you can andi Love Se's, a very dod person, but yeah just work on the TV showsugoing to check as paple hand a whole lot, O o different people and the wholething was a wonderful experience, but you know I continue to havewonderful experience os something playing with Barrios, wonderfulexperience. You know, that's great musician ban, you now. I remember Icalled you for that Syeah. It was between you and Resi McBride and Antou Ford. Oh great base, playeraswell great geto. Well, I appreciate the call anyways just being in that thatcircle of names right there is accomplishment enough. You know playoudeserve that special. The way you sayng and I thought you would have beenperfect for it. I think what happened was they found aperson that everybody was somebody Wuld Nok? Guess, Hey, didn't know your nameso right, yeah well, and you played upright on that as well right. So how does that work? With the lefthanded upside down situation, is it just the same? You just turn it onout the other side and it's funny, because I didn't initially play up right and Ikind of feelaround with it every oncein a while, but I never never took a seriously but o first audition for vermatter well and they asked do you play up right?That's IT Yes's! Can You sin? Yes, I really started working on it. Workingot it you know, and so it after a while it became more natural. Can you knowit's a different beach? You know you can play of right to different kind ofbeak, so your your for hours become, you know,like rocks and and start tol learn to listen to yourtonation. That's a wonderful issue. I dig it. Ithink I just gant carry it around, you know all right, but it's fun to play its Funa. I didthis video for Mipabol a dream as a wishof heart make us forDisney yeahand, so they did a whole orchaship thing and T. I was thor fourbase players here and we're bowing. You know, and it's funnybecause we had music, we were actually just. We weren't actually playing apart, but they would turn off the background music and you couldn't tellthe difference. Everyone's playing te e Park Ah well have the music to play thepar. You know right, and so we get to the bery end of the shooting andthey're going to do a Panou. You know that the boom camera and so Ey panned out they panned out withthe Bassis and then all of a sudden.

The director says: Wait A minutecut you. What are you doing? I'm, like I wusthink of everyone standing you on the right side of the base, I'm standing onThos side, theyr they're, pulling up pushing. You know we're going in thesame direction, but they don't notice it and it was at the end of the day,hes Ti Al Yono, there's like why do they send this guy? Here you know likeI'm sorry, they tey cau base players, Abo Bass, player. You Know Sieverything was working fine until they did Thepan Hawow, that's a great story. Well, I'ma full disclosure. I'm going to tell you the truth, I got the call you said:Do you play up right? You didn't tell me who the artist was, but I had afeeling I that day Wen bought it upright and and I starteand I startedpracticing just this like yours. Just like you dad you play up right, yes, and I haven't sitting here actually tothis day and I keep it. I try to keep it in the way all the time. So, if I'mwalking past, I have to play it, you know so I've been hooping got it eversince, and that was shoot. That was probably six years ago. The last time that that you had called me for that orsomething so so I guess that's I did. I didn't get the GIG, but thanksto that call I have an upright and I've been working on it and I can offer upthose skills and the you know: It's Sagoit's an important opportunityregardless you know, so it's vital is pital as far as far asbeing a side man, if you it sad to apart, but set you apart being a side.Man Is being able to play upright and you're reading, AF course and being able to learn stuff quickly. Ithink one of the reasons why I will get so many jobs and people seem to bepretty happy with what I was doing, because I wouldn't go on te on the dig.Reading do stuff the same. If I sub for somebody by the time I got in there, Iknew I I new the show, and so they felt that by your Memorizei, the show you'reYoure, showing your appreciation for that wil you take it them seriously. Isupposed to say we'll just give it a music and I'll play it so absolutelyimportant things ieaisothereare a lot of us out of work right now, waiting toget back to playing, shows and touring, and I know I've had to do whatever. Ican do to take my mind off the situation from time to time and one ofthe ways to pass the time is to catch up on some books. You've missed. But ifyou're like me- and you don't love to read, there's another way you can consume.AUDIBLECOM has thousands of titles to choose from including audio books aboutmusic production, songwriting, the music business, music theory,instructional, audiobooks and biographies of your favorite MusicalHeroes, but besides audio books, you can also listen to podcast, theatricalperformances, alist comedy and exclusive audio originals. You won'tfind anywhere else right now. You can get a free, thirty day trial if youvisit, audible, Trialcom, dive bar rock star, that's audible, trialcom, diveBar Rockstar, and you can catch up on your audio reading. I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the dive. Far Rocks t our podcast as a new podcast, gettingthe word out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road or off the road as their current case.Maybe if you would like to support the podcast all you got to do subscribewherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two nlease leave areview, you can also share and follow the podcast on your social media, apps, okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening El. Let's talk about your record, yougot a new record out, came out, Fifteenh called string theory, and it's really it's really great. Ilove it. I've been Listeng to o no for the last week. So where did you record?It was that in the states or ID that was, that was a col that was a covidproject, so pretty much everything was done in thebox. I did recording course on my computer and wilpall people op an Askin, the send mefiles and if there is a time there is a studio,that's here and it didn't open up until a little bit later. So I was able toget some guitar in Thut. drumes were done by joy, Malotdy, who has studio in Bos,Vegas, and so s Joma for Bara made wil happen to bein Las Vegas, and so they did recording there. They send little files, and...

...you know I've got chope up whatever Icould needed to chop up and and then came up to a mixing guy out here and o Chaka Loti Yeah. You know I really wanted to do it.The old fashion way and they wer want get itto the studio and knock it out. It was just no way to do it. All the Studigos were closed and peoplewere separated. I couldn't get out of evaly and actually I still kind of aproblem here I can get into the United States without Yeu problem. It'sgetting back out, yeah right. So that's what the Albo! That'sOll, the AEN! U Put together and you know I so grateful for for all theem put. Then you know everyone. Everyone gave me great great stuff and a lot of times they had a bet orplaying the box too. They had to you know just othe have a little homestudio and they did the best they could and set me what they had. So how longwe had you been working on the material is that all just written within sinceMarch it was written pretty quickly. It was ITN pretty quickly. It'so, not thet,didn't have a lot of time. I had a couple of ideas. Few ideas thatthat war sitting about iting around and Siif. We had all the time off had achance to listen to it and we buys it and- and you know, bot up charge so yeah yeah aguessthey, a got alltem an songs got good about t months. So your S, youhave to sit down and write songs. If that's the case, you can't just sitaround and wait for inspiration so th. It was really a crafted record. Wellyeah it was. It was a thing where were it took meout of the moment. You know it gave me the opportunity toappreciate the fact hat, that we are musicians and we are creative and, and typically I think you probably feelthe same way. It's like music has a way of of pulling you into into a bubble. Youknow, I think, all youon positions, all of us are in a certain bubble and so the playing was like therapy and thewritings like therapy and and the more I wrote, the more I didn'tlike it and I bearrange it and then finally came in something that I feltcomfortable with and T it. You know sometimes ho you writesomething and you think it needs fo fit into a certain Jabe, and I got to the point my age I figured.I need to stop doing that. You know just just it was com with what coms to Mi andplay in the way that you want to play. You know Withelcom renstruction Toi,like that. I have a lot of experience in smoot, Jazz Food Jazz have certainparameters an do have to hold on to order for to be get Airplaye, and Ijust you know, brote a lot of those roles, especially with bolls. You knowyeah and I didn I did the vocal O said Im afraid to say you know, and so I decided that I was going to say I wasafraid of ut. What people would think about my voice, and so that's for Meosay go ahead and do it do it? You know yeah. We have to learn to be comfortablebeing uncomfortable. You know you ou to to expand your horizons and and accept andaccept criticism, except with not that lavel Mons going to like the eyb Oteveryone's going to like my voice. You know some people going to laugh at it.So what you know don't take a personally. You know it's don't take itrself so seriously. Youknow so so I did five five vocal songs, O ye yeahyeah. It's amazing! It's not what I expected when I, when I got the tracksin the email I was like wow. This is, it is super cool man. I mean, I thinkyou have a great voice n and also like the melodies come out. You know it'slike you're, not one of the singers. That's just gonna, be you know, belting andimproving and stuff, but everything's constructed really Wak. You know andthat's because like H, but I mean you found a great tone andyou wrote a great melody and you wrote a great lyric and what else is there?You know it's. It's really really beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. I agree with that. It's Kemimo says something to Yo a long timeago, when? U, when I first joined Cat Bout, I'm shutting myself up, he comes up six,a bikin Funy, I said, but I wont say, egoe Ye. you do like...

...no Kar Wt, I'm not a sayinger. Yes, youare, but he said SAI everybody sayseverybody SAS. So if you just sing and and saying whatcomes to your heart, seeing it in a way, that's honest people, w understand, Imean, don't don't try and do something that you you know, don't try to besomebody. You know, don't try to sound like Luther. Youdon't try to don't try just let it come out yeahand. I think he was absolutelyright about that. You know there isn't a person on the planet doesnot say unless you don't have a poice at all and you know Vick Jagger couldmake a living doing it. Ob Dilin can make a living, Haha ha ha and the list goes on and on Yeah Yeah.So I coki you E, that's funny! Well, it's interestingjust workit Yeah Asorywell, it's interesting to because I think you getcaught up in the La sort of the competitive nature of this town and-and I could imagine that you don't want to.If singing, isn't your strong suit, you don't want to even think about puttingit forward. You just want to put your best stuff all the time and I wonder iflike moving like now, you live in Italy, most of the time right or some of thetime, and I wonder if just getting out of La n out of the intensity that it isand having a career, that's a little more established. Now you were able to relax and just openyour mind, an stuff Y. U, I think you're right, I think you're right,comean, Ke, Keo, helt a lot. You O it' saing a lot MOTOBAA, but when I came to Italy they te tellyou the truth. They don't know they don't know. You know if you're, gissingor Bou singin o see e, that your black guy, and so it was a little bit easier tosaying, secin public and you know Leada Band as saying you know a front peoplea little bit more accepting of it right. You know as opposed to la or or Atlantawher. You have some some chiller singers and you open your mouth, you.If you don't come correctly, then you K, that's your reputation right, yeahrighte play base, okay, but don't let them Sayig Yeah Y, giving you a Col. if you get achange to talk to you hope you don't a my stop pick up my clothe, my shoo asking you to forgitmeasking, youtryialways love, you etor my heart Eya, but I'm just away, and I guess I should Ga don't know why your frend don't know hywell. I also like indreams and with you tonight, there's lot of fretless stuff to which I don't.I don't think I've ever heard. You do. Is that a new thing or is that just oh?No? No O! I typically don't don't play them ongigs ecause. You know, fruntless is e, it's a very trickyanimal. You know you onewong mov on little teedy, tidy,moveand and all of a sudden you're out of tune, and just it just shows you off,but I think you migh as well do somethingdifferent. You know it's funny. Everybody O TNO baseplayers Usin whenthey put out their own album. Everyone tries to sound like like Marcus Milleror waymentonstale. You know it just it's it. A lot of popping and stuff likethat and, of course, tey. I kind of went that way to, but but this onted tointroduce something else. Just another another thing- and I think they I think fretless has a beautiful tone- has- isvery versal base. It's a lot of fun to play. Yeah...

...it's yeah, its beautiful and yeah. It'snot fun! For me, I'm a little, I'm so obsessed with the tuning to it's. Just it drives me nuts, a little bit bcaus,O Botit, so to hear you play it so grat's likeokay, I need to I need to work on my chop, somemore again nanow that have the time this is yeah.We have plenty of time with that, but ontrust melonot a autoto here and there it's it's a trick. I Ha I admire guys whoCoul playd outof instrument and and make it sound good and make a sound intune and not even look at the frent board. You know just that is that to meis just amazing yeah and it's the thing it's a thing that makes it soexpressive is that you do have that freedom of you know winding up to notesor whatever, but it's also the thing that makes it just horrible intementtotry and play. Oh, Oh, the mistakes are just disastrous. I remember you ego first got it. I tookit to. I Gi was so excited, you know, so I've shedetd on it for a littlewhile felt without pretty good at it. You know I took it to a GIG. It wasjust hat a bes wat, em ass, O beceand plus Iwas reading. So I'm looking at the paper and I was like what don't Di Miplaying it's just like a like a just a quarter tone off all thetime, se yeah yeah. So it's frustrating times now tha daysto that there's no minor notes, so pardon some of my questions justbecause normally you could just look and see but so strength, theory, SuperFunky, so great and so who's playing guitar on that are you playing theguitars and stuff or o o Noi'm? Not that obstentatious, I meanthat's amorarsal connor, but workin a fire and dout. Don't Crooks Hes, O! Oh Yeah. IKnow Dar yeah, it's Funi, because what happened was. I said. I set a track toDowl by a mistake I met Tho send up to Morris and so by the time I, by thetime I told Daw, dollloe finishe it I mean he got t dol he's very efficientguy. You know so he hewent in there and knocked it out, not hat. I gave him afuture. He knocked all the tunes out and he gave it ike multiple tracks forhim and- and so I said to I said to my email I said:Yo O put a hold on strength theory. You know,I made a mistake. F, I meant for more FA CANATA! Do it bythat time. You know he olas on the tracks, and so I added Moris and thenrealize of two of them. They play off each other, the two of them built thestyle Loke, the bonk style, er very similar. But then again you know theyhad ther own niche, and so it just great it was great, an so cool.Those are those happy accidents that happen during production, yeah, yeahyeah, I was, I was not disappointed with at all. You know I thought it wasexactyyou know, I'm so glad both of th m were doin. It was meant to be. I hada feeling, one of those as darrel. It sounds he's so funky yeah one of myfavorite Tam players. Dal. Sometimes you have ta caught my belt, it's true...

...and then you get to find and it shiftsgears into some Bluesy, just laying it down. Fucky stuff. You know very kindof Odis reading bill, wilers, very cool where the inspiration for that comefrom that's Kep, Mot, yea cou, you know t he. I love him like a brother Heis, he'skind of like my girl, and one thing that he told me was to m Yu nkeep asimple akeep of SOM pool. You know you look at you look at people who who have gothle great skills and they the biggest hits. Let's say like Stevowonder what is he's written all kinds of wast of what is his number one it I just called the sanaligtwow sting brote incredible stuff, whatashis number one hit. You got me on that one we moveYeusmyeahewa simple, you knowsoit's just one of those things wh. I justwanted to wanted to express that kind of feeling, and also, as far as a lear,to concern Iti that had something to do with the whole thing that was going onwith all of a sudden nout happening, any work and, and I'm sitting it, the press to coworrying about the future is like we no to Wi. What are you worried about? Butwhy worry about this? The wor is not going to my point to help anything and and if you backd upwou, look at the whole picture. Everything is wonderful life of, butwonderful toweryou. You got some savings, just becreated and be grateful.You know yeah, so that's was that's. whatit came out.That's great, O Seecras Alintoi O me, I oo Tach to Si and Beforei you sometime. YTI'm still is this your first shout Ed, writinglyrics. No I've written it before t. This isthe first time I've actually had this ad something like this, this kind ofproject, where I'm wrighting for myself and right into the six step. You knowit is a fun thing to do. It's fun, Te Tinke of words and make the words worktogether. You know its yeah, so you mentioned like gigs in Italy, so youhave a band there, that you're playing the stuff out and performing thesesongs and stuff. No! No. At this point, no, I have friends ar around here the guy who plays Saton on. I don'tknow why his name was Johnny, Ven cheening and he had just happened to live nextclose by. I did. I did so work on this album years ago when I was in La andwhen I got here so as it do you remember this this Guy Johnny Vaachatethat you play or Yeahoa when e Li about twenty minutes away. For me, like Inoso,we played agote a lot, so we have kind of a smoot a thing happen. I have ablue trail and that's about it now I have a goodfriend of mine at I play with and we just play whanever we cot, that's cool,that's a great record man. Congratulations thanks! so much bout, Iwouly appreciateit it and I be sue. You have me on and- and...

...you know it's like one of those thingswhy I don't. I don't really care so much about it. It selling it's more ofa just kind of Epession, something that you have to get out. You knowesomething Ese to say, and it felt good saying it's like you gettired of trying to fit yourself into a box or playing, and you know thingsexactly the way somebody expect you to play them and it's like. Okay, like yousaid you know you go, we do a blue song, you wonl do the Blue Song said: Well,it's supposed to be a spoo jazz, album sappos, not Yo, no yeah. I do like alittle RMB thing. It's like! Well, it's the. What is that this Isno? This iskind of dated so yeah dated right- and I noticed to this this record, like you, have anotherrecord out called connection and it's a lot more sort of chop oriented, and youknow it's great record as well, but adifferent kind of record. Really it's more about the playing where this ismore about the groove and the vibe and the lyrics, and was that a consciouschoice? Oh absolutely ma! Absolutely, I think a lot of times. You know people spend alot of time showing the prowess and that's fine. Ithink it's great. No, but but sometimes you want it. You want to ask Bot. Howdoes how does that make you feel howdoes that music make? You feel whatmake you think about, and my my thing at this point is, is to make myself happy but to make otherpeople happy that that's our job as musicians anyway Wu take people and wemove them away from what they're thinking of an to you know. We try tomake them happy yeah. Absolutely it's funny too, because you know I Icanti've come from jazz and smooth jazz and now I'm playing with a countryartist and I kind of went through some pop music on the way, and it's likeeverything I do keeps getting simpler and simpler and and just down to themore emotional and more emotional and less less technical, and it might bejust a product of aging as well. You know! No, no, I think you know, I think Ithink it's a great bat, it's a great bat but country. I love countrymus. Youknow I love Nashville, you go to Nashville and have you seen those musicians out there? IAH crazy and the writing needssomething. You know I'm not talking about the guys wo, wo,Yo, W think about beer and pickup truck o Yei'm. Talking about the people, wwrite, songs, you know and theres, so many of them therthat, tere, quitegreat great songs. You know- and I think country LEDs ourself to that NW, where tit's not so much what's being played the Corte play, Iit's what the lyrics are talking about and how the person is sposentic, soyeah. I think it's a good thing and pus yourjob. Your job gets easy. You can do your taxes while you play, I meani meanhonestly. The Dwight Gig was the hardest Gig for me to learn, though,because when you have so few courts compared to Caca Montsui or Lee Rittnow,or something there's a million cords in some of those songs, it's almost easierbecause there's something to grab on to when you only have three cords and allthe songs have the same three cords. It's like. Where does that forecordcome? You know, that's harder to memorize it away than you know what Imean it's. It was hard. It was a lot harder than I thought it would be asfar F foras, a format of tha song. An yeah like yeah. Is this? The song wherethe for comes after Oh yeah S, is this: The bridge where thehorror is the one.You know it's just there's so few things that you're dealing witheverything starts to Mesh together in your head and, and it really becomesabout the melody so and w you know a lot of times. YouRehearse you know without the artist at first, because you know do I doesntneed to be there rehearse in his own socgs and without having that melodythere its really hard to remember what cord to go to you know. So it wasn't.It was a really kick my Butt O. No, not I didn't like assume it was going to beeasy, but at the same time, it's surprisingly difficult. You know youthink. Oh it's just three cords, but no it's a thing. It's a lot to it. Youknow, oh no! I can relate to that. I know exactly what you're talking aboutI'V in Ahot situation and, what's even worse, it's like whete, Say I te person, it's a simple spawn the person stopps singing the maladyand thes a there's, a guitar Sola and all of a sudden you start playing onanother song, was looking at you like Youre, likewhat exactly yeah exactly, and I imaginethat you probably run into a little bit with of that with Kep Mo because it'she's a blues guy, I mean he's, got he's...

...on the other head. Well in same wit,twight. I guess, but he has some more complicated. You know charts and that's.What's kind of awesome about ket Mo'rely he's got these. Some songs arevery modern pop songs and then others are just straight up. Delt Te Blues,but even with that blue stuff, it gets confusing, sometimes because, like theyhave weird forms sometimes- and it's not always just a straight twelve barthing, exactly a lot of the stuff changes and hechanges it as he goes e he's one of those guys Wyou have to watch and Ecausunto the point now w e're. You know we know each other so much, we think a like. You know I can tellwhere he wants to go, and so I know how he sets up his cors on away. You knowand, and he may oukew they stay on a a section wronger than Uisual. You knowhe may just you know, stay on a section he's talking to the audience and all ofa sudden go to the BSECTION. You know, but if you play the mom enough, you cansee you cutd allotl indicators, O Yonn, let you know where HEU gon o go andhe's got a really big catalog to is it? Do you have to just know all that? Ishe calling songs or do you have a pretty set setlist? Every night wehavyeah yeah. We try to caness Mye Lot. He expesses to know alot of what he does you know, so he wants to feel calt e's, not temand bing.I Ha Tha's one of the sweetest guys in the world, but he expects she doudn'tknow him. You know N, and so I think he gave us, like maybe fortysongs, that he really likes it's like okay. Well, we have to at least befamiliar with those, so if petis size at the last minute, you know someonecalls cause a song out a d. He just decides to do it.You know got to be kind of familiar with it, and that would happen a lot and youknow the thing. Is I like a song, you know so it wasn't. It wasn't like itwas a chore, Listen To as Stuff. If I had any problem I'd look at him, he anyou, knew me well enough to know hat magpannic, look, look like anyw you'll sing, a song and go to thePlat Tree M, just very quickly that we know where to go. That's cool yeah! I went a great gig. Iplayed a lot of blues in Denver before I got to La so you know you have these within theblues community, there's some purists and traditionalist that never wantanything to be different and then there's you know. I was always morelike the Robin for R, the Bonny raid or the Kebmo, and I really love that hekind of is a master of both because he's he'll do the straight up, like Isaid, like a Delta Blues thing, but then he's got some really cool like poptunes and it sounds like a really fun gig yeah it is. It is and he's good atAmericona I mean he understands if he understands what te Blus Arwhattheboozare there to express, and so he has o look. He has he Pasana Sut beautfulYand. He gets upon that stage and he is very warm and, and you now howyouall doing and it's like he he brings people to them.He says I hi come come on up here. Come on stay here, so it's byhes space. Theywon't come out right here. You know, and it's always a good time, always agood time. That's great! Well, I have to give you a big. Thank you becauseyou know we were one of the first people I met when I came to La, and you gave me a call on a Tuesday nightWen nigh. I remember very well. I need o Sep for Kacomot Sui on like theSaturday, so I remember meeting you at a gas station late at night. Gettingall the charts work in my ass Ol. I memorize the whole show before Saturday,just because I'm like I don't want to blow it. You know and that ended upeventually becoming the next twelve years of my life. You know and am apretty huge career. You know for me and all over the world and stuff. So I really appreciate getting that call.How did you enjoy working with Kaco Bie ide candy Hahahai had a thef of KACO. She, as socute weare doing with tha Gu cosanywayhe's Greatperson and SI saw her. I think I did want a dayCAS cruis. She was there and she plays now. I mean there's a certainfreedom that she has now. You know before everything was verystructured. You know you play this song pretty much the same way. Your Solo isalmost the same way every night. Now its like. You know, I think I'm goingto be hurtre tonight and she go. You know this tin. I love that differentperson, all together, Yeah Yeah you're,...

...referring to her ex husband Kazu, whowas he was kind of the boss like when I first got there. He was still thereobviously, and he was the boss, the producer, and he did most of thetalking she would have her. Even her speeches were rehearsed, you know andthen he would come out at the end and do the real talking and yeah. It was adifferent vibe. I was there, you know I S. obviously I was on the Gig when theywere divorced and just got to watch her just blossom as this player that werelike what Oh that's, how it's going to be now great. You know, but we're Gonta actually just have moments. Musically and, like you know, be herein the same space and play music, Iwat Nvel cots up, you know what I mean Y, but did you get along well with Kazo Imean I still got along with Kazu. It was a different kind of thing nd. Hewas a funny guy, you know, but it was a very heavy handed kind of thing. Ithought he was fine. You know we had a falling out when I got TaOnice shoget because e me, but I Wul I that was when I called you. Wasn't itno o? No, you were working with Minda bear andI'm not sure. Okay, I don't Kar Yeah, because I had a summer tour for withher and then in that February, that niht show came up, and so I calledhim- and I told him that I wouldn't be able to make out for it, make it put asummer tour and he says a no Stin d. You say you going to play some of youplay someone like a sbut. I just got a job with it. Tonigh show I'm sure, I'msure you wanted e Sta an he didn't understand. So we had a fall in out, got you which happens, and those are some ofthe decisions you got to make. You know as a as a working guy in La that was alot for me to get used to you. Sometimes to I never have the tonightshow come up not yet, though you know you went on to do the tonight show Jonathan Dressell was drummer. He wenton to do the Jimmy Kimball show. So I keep waiting for my show like when ismy show Ceim so are Yeu. Are you still? I mean justreal quick? Are you still like covid hit Italy, the worst? What partof Italy are you in? First of all, I'm in Benis, I'm in place called MoyanBoa. It's the mainland, Batus Welcra Yeah Ewe're in te thick of it yeah. Soit a be it's a beautiful place of bullet. So is it recovering now or isit still still a mess or we got another spite a? We have to be kind of carefol youbecause we have huge older population and initially, I think everyone here,fortunately, they followroles and and everyone'smasked up. You know you go ing to a store and everyone has to wear askintes a question about it. Well think about the culture here aswell. That's a cause of the preats earlier earlier this year is that whenpeople meet each other, they just each other coul you kiss on each other cheekand o very close for touchy. You know yshare food yeah, so so it's kind offar to change the customs and but will make the food will be okay. Youknow it just amoot Ofeveontes to bang. On top of it yeah and s anotherstraiters coming out a D, it were going to be balaned te same for a while Anbothink the Badsenea, like you, said before the back scene, probably serves us tolight atte for the Toel and couldn't have an STO er. I mean I' Jusbether, so cocan get ti stink, distribut and give a handle on it, andso we can all get back to work and they wo' Gan have a normal life. If E andOll people want be Ti, yeah right right, fie, O mind Yhou set up well te peoplewho who are dying. You know the t e people, W O have you know conditionsand this Oll people, I'm like Somebo me just open one day, if you're luckyyou're going to be an old person, ik lie life is precious to be able tolive and breathe a beat and exist in this. This amazing thing you know, Iamazing thing that you actually hear you know you're sitting it. You sittingon this rock Jat's, going theround circle of thousand miles an hour.That's traveling through space, just a little unthe light speed, and here younow so so life is precious, no matter how old somebody is, and you shouldrespect it- yeah absolutely well anyway, man, but thank you for tat and thankyou for being so cool. When I got here and and throwing me some gigs andgetting me started, and thanks for coming ton, my show An- and it's been so great hanging out with you-men, man, lifewise, an the thing sh be suchan such great playe, a great singer,...

...great player, and it's like it. It's afeather in my cap. They al Wen. When I say hey, you got TA. You got to checkout this Guy Eri pan. So it you KINDOF, you don't make a favor. Well thanks a lot man, ISO interesting fat strings on thebottom. That's a very confusing thing to new students. I Find O if I'mteaching them, because you're saying no go down in notes, but you're actuallygoing up in the physical space. So I he's totally right. It doesn't make anysense. It makes more sense the way he doesn't. He literally just turns thebase over he playsd left handed and upside down, which you know same asanother guest on on our podcast bill. Sonka plays thesame way. I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm going to start trying it. I reallylike what he was saying about learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable,because I think it's the most important thing to progressing kind of. Ianything I think you know change is always scary and uncomfortable, butlearning is change. You know what you know now. When you learn more stuff,you will be a different person. I think it's a weird human instinct to fightagainst change, because it's not only just the only constant on the planet,but it's also kind of the only way forward. It's the only way to getanywhere. I really had to embrace that uncomfortable feeling W en t when itcame to approaching musicians at a bar that Ihad never met before or like moving away from my friends and family ortaking gigs with players that were really intimidating and that's whathappens once you moved to the big city. Obviously I was so scared to do casualswhen I first arrived here, especially after that Chuck Woncsley Experience,I'm not gonna lie. I mean I would easily take a week long gig at a barfor seventy five bucks a night before I would take a casual on a Saturday, butI'm so glad that I did because it made me a better player and when it comes tothe reading too it' kind of a hard thing to learn sitting in your practiceroom, you kind of have to throw yourself into the fire and the checkons e Gig was that for me it was just me showing up and and just holding on for dear life, andI do think, there's a line. I don't think you want to say yes to stuff. Ifyou don't read at all because then your career could end before it never getsstarted. You know, but but I definitely think I always try topush myself and keep myself in situations that are uncomfortable andeventually you get used to him. And then you move on to the nextuncomfortable stuff and that's how you sort of conquer your way through music,a in life. I think anyways, that's how I've done it. He mentioned the BlueBook and how he had learned all the songs in the Blue Book and I searchedin search in serce and I couldn't find a link or anything to get a copy of it.But basically it's a book full of songs and there's. Every page has two songs on it,so they're really short kind of lead sheets of jazz standards and any kindof wedding music that you would need. So if anyone knows how to get a hold ofone email me at fan, mail at Dibar,rocstercom or on facebook or whatever, and let me know because I'd be happy topass it along. I think it's one of those things you you come to La and yousort of figure out how to acquire it. I also have a PDF version. That's on myIPAD, but it's kind of a bummer to navigatewhen you're in the midst of a Gig, and it's really intense so anyway. Noanyone knows how to get a hold of one. Let me know- and I said vocabularyearlier when I was talking about moving to La and not knowing the songs, butwhat I meant was repertoire, not necessarily vocabulary. Each city hasits own repertoire and also the sound cut out in a moment when we weretalking about how long it took him to make his record and all the songs arewritten in about three months in case you couldn't understand that so thereit is. Let's just call this season, one twenty nine episodes. It's a weirdplace to stop. I think, but I thought, if I went to thirty, I might I mightstop for longer at twenty nine it just it begs to be finished, so I hopeeverybody has enjoyed listening and I want to send a huge thank you out toall of the guests who have participated in this podcast. It obviously would notbe possible without them, and I hope everybody stays safe in these crazycovid times, and I hope you have as really safe New Year's Eve, and I can'twait to talk to you in two thosand and twenty one so happy New Year and we'lltalk to you soon. I hope you had a great time. Wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to sta...

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