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Episode 8 · 1 year ago

Rudy Cardenas- The Wedding Session Rock Star (American Idol, Waiting for Monday)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Rudy Cardenas talks about what it’s like to make a living as a singer in Los Angeles. He covers session work, wedding bands, and tribute acts as well as his new band project “Waiting for Monday” which is signed to Frontiers Records. Rudy gets candid about his time on Season 6 of American Idol and the ups and downs of that experience. He discusses what the audition process was like and how it’s effected his career since.

Waiting for Monday

https://open.spotify.com/album/764loqGIi3sdSlSARDkadp?si=0ltEZyxAT9-Mb8W7ydoZ_A

Rudy Cardenas: Fly

https://open.spotify.com/album/4ZxutH6i9OOUIjqTeV9e9c?si=ZQR9fzJaTfumNdRJGpBDYg

Do you love audiobooks? You can get athree thirty day trial: membership to audible, dotcom by visiting potivaltrial, dotcoms lash dive bar rocks star. They have thousands of audiobove titlesas well as podcast, guided welness programs, theatrical performances, Alis,comedy and exclusive audible originals. You won't find anywhere else, get yourfree trial membership, an audible trial, dotcom, Flash Dibar, Rockstar, welcome to the Diebar rock star,podcast, a show, exploring the lives of professional musicians of all typestouring, musicians, recording artists, songriders engineers, barbands weddingbands and anyone making ther living in the music industry, whether you'vedreamed of being a professional or you already are one. This is the podcastfor you on your host Eric Banes, and I hope that you not only find someentertainment here, but also some helpful tips to trade secrets and ideasthat will help you achieve your dreams. So, in an effort to stay ahead of the game, I've I'verecorded quite a bit of episodes and now I've kind of got them stacked up alittle bit. So I'm going to step it up and try to keep up with doing thistwice a week, and this will be my first Friday episode. I've had so many greatguests and and people agree to do the show that I'm really excited for youguys to cere. So it's going to be Tuesdays and Fridays now and my first prid guest is a reallygood friend of mine in a a great hard working singer here in l a you probablyknow him from American idol season six, but he's also done a lot of t V, stuff,animated stuff for episodes of the family guy. The Cleveland show Americandead and currently he's on baby rockers on discovery. Kids, he tours with heclassic rock show, which is produced by a CMP entertainment, which also doesBrit Floyd he's the lead singer of a journey. Tribue band called lights. Healso has done shows with the long run, which is an Eagle's tribute band, whichI was also a part of for a time he's got two records out. Um One is with aband called waiting for Monday, which I cowrote a lot of songs with him forthat project and they're, signed of fronttiers records and N me and him corode and I produced a record called fly a few years back and you can find bothof those on spot Ifi, but probably the most time we've spent together is in awedding band called impulse, which is an amazing band. That's we've playedlike Tim Cardasian's wedding, Dr Phillsson's wedding, California,Governor Gavving, newsom's, wedding, lots of Oscar parties and at some ofthese weddings and parties we back up huge artists like baby fats and robinsthick Stevie, wonder David Foster, but one of the more important weddings thathe was a part of. He was the best man at my wedding, so we've known eachother a long time. We have a lot of fun on this interview, so I hope you enjoymy conversation with Rudy Catadina TDORES, a town. Okay in your head. Ithink it sounds okay, I'm a little freaked out listening to my ownspeaking voice, but I know and then, when we get done, you'll ti o. How didyou feel about it about what your own speaking was now that you've done oneand I ogotn hear your own voice? I love it. I think I'm really good atthis M. Okay, cool! No! It's good! I don'tknow it's fine! No! I hate it. Does anyone LITETE CE? I think tere's goquestion. Actually. Does anyone actually like the sound of the San oftheir own voice, a hundred percent 'cause? I don't you do. No, I thinkyeah Y H. I don't, but I think peep there are people that theyre really dotheyhave people with good voices. I don't know that I have a greatspeaking voice. Do tenors normally. Do I don't think so I think you have to bea more yeah airitoned BA. Well, I kinda can do that with the Mike. If I want toso there's things I can do, can you do a little plug in there? Can you do alittle? I got. I got plugins for days. Let's talk about your most res Recenproject waiting for Monday, our arguably our most recent project. It'snot. Why do you say arguably well, because you ere a high bail on it and Ifeel yes, you did. I I mean you know I IREA AK about that. Yeah exact sure. Do you NTTELL the people? Why Pe? Whyyou need to bail on projects sometimes ye? We all do. Actually we all do it's.It was was heartbreaking that you had to, but the most important thing isthat we did work together on the songs, yeah and that's the most important part,yeah yeah and I'm proud of the songs. Oh, my gosh, can I cos yeah okplease.Do It KINDOF started with August Zedra from Deniste Youngsban re did sort ofdly Um I've known August for a long...

...time, another fantastic musician in Laa guitar player. He and I kindo, came up in the tribute world ranks. If you will Um,you know, as I'm sure you've talked about many times with other people. Youhave to have your fingers in many differentpots as a musician. Here, N L, A and one of the one of the ones that I didwas the tribute world, which is like a tribute to whatever artist. You knowand I met August doing that journey tribute. I met August doing that and heis fantastic, guitar player singer and he got a great gig Um being the Tommy Shaw for Denist youngand he got it kind of like Malk Mark Walberg in the movie likethey just they saw him on like you tube or some you know or like Arnel andjourney y. u know they just saw him and dennist called Hem up, Dennis's Um kid or something saw him. My God dads.You shouldn't know h. You should check this guy out. He sounds exactly likeTomi Sho wow and that's how he got the Gan. So He's been doing that for areally long time and that's how t the relationship with frontiers records.That's nothe label that Daon Yeh, that's how they kind of found him andUS um well, actually M Jescot Sodo. He was the led singerfor journey. I for a coup, little unknown band. He after Steve Left there was likeStevengary or something Jerry, Ojeri and then Jasgotoo. I think that he wasafter Seva Jeri a could be wrong, but joff Scott Zodo was the the singerfor Joney for a while and he m another l, a dude, Um and we're all friends andhe m had been working with frontiers for a while and actually started kindof wrapping for them, a N, R and a guy for them, and he brought the idea to August and said:Hey Lissen Eur with EST young. I think you n Rudy would do something reallyawesome together and we were like yeah. We would have been woney we're togetherfor a long time and so that's kind of how the whole thing thatas cool, yeah n.Then you called me and we rote a bunch of songs. I did. I called you first, Ithink th Youwere, the first Guy Yeah I was like I have to do this with mybutty ere'cause. We had done other stuff before and it was a nobraineryeah. It was cool, we wrote good songs, we think- and you can check it out ifyou're into that music isreally good 'cause, it's super. How would yout sayit's not. It's meant to sound somewhat old, it's it's! It's throwback, yeah!It's a throwback record to nlintribute. It's almost attribute record. It'smeant to sound very much Um like the the eighty. You Know Salat atlate seventyieighties bands of that era and ig you can name. You know a dozenof the influencs of the records right. So if you're into that stuff hunde acool record, but I think the song is like one of Hem, my favorite, probablyon the regaras called pickure lies yeah, it's sort of it's pretty current. Sothat's one of the one that we wrote together. Yeah like you're, not goingto pick a song that you did't. I really don't like any of the others, I'm pretty much just like thobut anyway,but but it's a current. The point is it's current subject. It is very cursome so yeah yeah, it's very current. It's a loat of political peace, kind ofyeah, yeah, sort of a neutral political yeah, you're not going to get it's, nota protest sing. Necessarily it's just about rightboth sides. You know bothextremes are lies. If fwhich side, you want big ourlize, an and kind of aprotest to that thing. So it is kind of a protest song about how we'resometimes not dealt equal hands like you, don'tlike Er. If you live in a society where you know, let's say Middle America,where you're just bombarded by one side all the time,it's really hard to have your own thoughts, because if you're alwaysbombarded by that side, yeah and likewise, if you grew up in Californiaor in one of the you know, liberal states, then you're bombarded by thatside- and you know n Snb C, and so it's hard to have Panis, unbiased opinions.You kno right yeah, very true, very true. So also, then, you brought inWalter Younow who's played with survivor, Oriver, belabies, yeah V, theBabyi know nothing ham and he ended up producing the record. Essentially, hedid because sort of all cope produced...

...in a way, but, Oh yes, I had to bail. II've been playing with White Yogu for the last few years and his schedule Wis.Just it's. You know, he's busy, understand abreat GIG. In that senseyou know so I had to this priority. I also sort of took over the rains andthank God he did fantastic. Oh Yeah, thank God he did 'cause. We M. I hadoriginally talked to you about doing that same thing. 'cause. We Ne You know.Whenever you do a record, I think you need that one person to like kind otake the reins and just kindo be like okay 'cause, you Coul, you know we canall kind of oproduce it, but there has to be kind of like that. One producerlike let's get it done. Let's be this: Let's you know we're doing it a youknow, a certain studio that they're familiar with hat they o. So it's a lotof work. It ends a lot. WSOMEONE's gotta do the work hundred percent. Youknow the fun stuff doesn't last as long as the hard work does. You know andsomeone's got to commit to doand all that stuff and Rean he's phenomeamultiinstrumentalists uh he's he's just awesome. So did you enjoy the processof this record? I did Um, it was it whirlwind because we were ittook far longer than it should have, but in my mind it was really fastaneally. So it's you know m when you are um working as a full time musician in La myou're doing so many things and when you have kind of a passion project likethis, it kind of takes a backseat as other. You know the label paid us to do it, but not alot so m and as P, your listeners will soon realize that you know labels. Theydo what they do and you know Youre if they give you any money, you're verylucky, yea, so weare very lucky. I I'm saying I'm blessed. Yes, we got moneyto do it, but not enough money to quit doing ath the other things that we haveto do, and so it took a back seat. But because the labels like an needs to getdone, an hes t get done. We were like you know. When we would work, we wouldwork for you know twelve hours a day or whatever right and short, shorter,spirts or or like hey. I have, or I have three hours. You know right atthis window, let's just no it real fast. So the whole thing, if you, if you didit traditionally and rent it out a studio, it would have taken the month,probably, but exactly this took a long time 'cause this as a Yoera lite. In mymind, it was like so fast 'cause. It was just like you know: Everyou Ow,trying to yeah. You might work at a different pace than others. Be In mymind, I personally or ever me personally. What do you? I don'tknow, maybe I don't know H. Sometimes I don't know so. His lways to Neto hos rice conewell, theoriginal so waiting for Monday. By the way, the name of that sort of I feellike I came up with that it was something I used to say 'cause. I wasplaying an you. I don't know I've not always hadgigs that I love I I do very distinctly remember coming up with that in yourkitchen in your old house, yeah and Um. I don't know if I'm ready to give youfull credit for that. Maybe I didn't come over these words, but if I just aconcept, t at always would say to people like what are you doing, I'mjust waiting for money B'cause. If I can just get through the weekend, youknow if you have you know, wedding, gigs or or a lot of work. I hope we'lltalk about that in a minute, but Um Someti in Mondays, traditionally e themusicians day off, and I was just like I'm just waiting for Monday. You knowit's. It's Anyany Li, IT'S WEIRD 'CAUSE! It's also like waiters' Day. You knowit's like it Industry Day. You know so like Monday, N Tuesdays is when theythey kind o party barbers. Traditionally hairstyle. Here's Ha mooff same with h musician in kind of like it's like that that, like theservice industry yeah, so we probably came up with it together, but I justyou know, I'm going to take credit...

...anyway, but you can have it thank eve, though. If you hurt it her,you heard it here, but the original reason that we putthis band together was to introduce me as the new member of the mad tea party, which is a show thatwe did in Disneyland together that you did for years. But if you remember, weplayed it. The MINTE was the very first gig waiting for Monday Att's right and Tim Keyboard Player, Sm Butterworth, Ohyeah, butts of course yeah yeah. So Anyway, N N, he was another team member.So an we played this one Gig at the minue and which Kindo leads me totalking about mad tea party, which I think is an interesting topic, because,as a professional we did the show you did it for waylonger than me. I actually the show was cancelled and then it came back and itwas basically a cover band like on crack. A islike huge lihe show whereI'm wearing ears and SPANDECX you've got you're the mad hatter Otha largehair. It was a crazy show, it was. It was a lot of fun m. It was one of those things where I always say I wlisten you Coul, dowhat you gotta do, what you' gotta do all right, yeah and SOTIMES. You got adress up: Oh, it has a bunny I'mand play base or dress up as themathatter and and and sying. You know I just I my one of my good friends,really um longtime friend from back in the day inColorado, Matthew, Selby, who is now like the head of Music Disney, which iscrazy. He had h, he was emvying. This show at Disney called Matti Party andhe had lost a couple of guys to the Disneyland in Asia, Hungong e,and so he needed replacements like right away, and hewas it's hard to find somebody that can do that 'cause. It was a lot you meanAlaethey of it where exactly where the outfits sing the material right. Yes,have the stamina to sing the material. You know six times a day or whatever, and it was hard for him to findsomething like that. 'cause. It's like you needed that you know rock pop guyand e and the jes convincingly there's a kind of a Disney thing about Erl, notto put anybody down. It's like, but there's not a lot of edge. Intho Disneycamp, for you know high tener singers, exactly so what they but they needed,and this was like IRA and it was like he rockig, so all of their Disneypeople that they used. They were like, oh you're, lovely, but right, you knowE. I gon Workso. He called me up and he was like hey. I have this Gig N. Ireally would love for you to do it. I'm kind of in a bind actually is what hesaid and so Um. I said I said Yeah. What is it EIT's? A th? You know it's aDisney thing: Iwas like okay Um. You know what what does it pay? It doesn'tpay a whole lot. You Know Disney as you as Peoplel know, Um, they don't pay alot, but the perks are nice. I have kids orwhatever so the perks of having a Disney free, Disney pass and being ableto take my kids at Disney. Whatever was beautiful thing right, so it was likeokay Um, you know going down to Orange County again living in l, a six yes, but I, I think, Um what he didn't wh t I didn't realizewas that you know I was going to meet these amazing people and may make theseamazing friends and meet all these crazy awesome fans that really loved itand whatever, and that's what I was going to bring up as well like it comeswith the following of people that really d. It really did. It did yeahyeah and that's it's a little bit why I was interested as well. It's like youknow, there's been some guys that have turned.You know that fanned 'em into their own projects being super successful hundredpercent that you're ut. You can't pay for a following: That's is dedicated asDisney fans yeah hundred percent. They are very hardcore, they're, verysupportive yeah and you know, even after the show endedthey're. They still follow all of us now right they're do like what are youdoing? You know they're, very supportive, so um that was a very coolshow and you know, obviously you know people listening. Conyou know fight iton you, TUB, there's tons of you know, look up mad tea party, Deah, Disneylandand you'll, find tons of CASS yeah or don't so. I got the funny storry about me.Getting the GIG, though I think that 'cause I we were, you were puttingtogether a new band for the company that you workd for in wedding band,Yand Matt Selby was actually in it. You asked me to do the video, so I was justrehearsing 'cause, you didn't have a...

...compermative baseplayer yet and we like, we do occasionally do drink alot the night before and I showed up a little late and hungover, which I rarely ever do like, because I know you really well. I treatyou the worst but anyway, but I shot up a little late and hung over, and thatis so true. I just overheard you guys talking about it about auditioning andI was just like yeah, termanall, audition and just kind of thinking.Well, even if I audit iodn hat the heck- and you know you're, let's do it- Iknow a Loton which is weird because I think when you are kind of when you gotto a point in Youre kind of Li e season, dude auditioning for anything it'sKinda like yeah. Well, no- and I other you know unless it's likeI'm auditioning for Guenstafani or yeah ditioing for Jlo, or an amusementparlet lag or Disney you're like, Oh God, Okay Mhm, but no yeah, you did it,but I went down fifty five base players and I got the Gig you know so, honestlyspeaking boudition, though only Gig I've ever gotten out of an audition andI've, I've had a Predesian career, never from an audition, except for thisis only so. For me, it's sort of a cool part of my history. Oh, I finally didsomething and I beat out fifty five other base players so for thin. Oh,maybe I'm getting better at this audition thing. So if it's your soyou're you're fifty five and Ol Yeah, U You beat out t fifty five otherguys, yeah so yeah, so maybe the whall fame. I don't Knowa Tso,it all turned out pretty good. For me a and the thing only lasted nine months-and I was you know, like I say, driving down there was- is a drag I rememr oneday it took me three hours to get down there. 'cause the traffic was so awfuland it's like it's like twenty seven miles. It's not even I just I'mpicturing somebody listening to this a musician driving down to Disneyb like an yeah but uh yeah. It was but y. Soanyway, I was just a sub too, so I only went down like once a monch or twice amonth. o The money was not not that great, but it was a fun experience, butwo Younder that I was lating tired of it. I got the call you know just. I think Ieven had a covernation with you. I was just like yeah, I don't know if I cando this anymore and then they got the call and they were like. Oh we really.We really hate to C to have to give you this news, and I was like I th. I didn't have to do it very long,but it was a great experience. anyways and Disney is, is it's I don't know forme. It's Nice thiyu Su like a steady job hundred percent, and I think thatyou should really talk, have a separate potcast and talk with a Disney PersonBout Disney because that's a huge hay. They really employ a lot of musicians.You know and and it's a good company to work for an even though that show gotcanceled a lot of those guys just work in other parts of the part part yeah,and I think I I think what people need to realize isthat you need to do those kind of gigs yeah. You know, maybe that's your thin, maybe that's twhat as high as you get and that's. Okay, it's you know a company to workfor right, and personally even I mean this sounds even for a guy it'sexperiencing. I like, I was kind of always the the base player in theshadows and I'm really serious about my instrument and I'm really serious aboutthe BAS part and I'm really surious about the music. I'd, wear, Span, decksand bunny years and just to be forced to sort of be out front and put thatthat costume on in put on a show was a new thing for me. So and it changed theway I approached every gig after that. So I you know it's easy to sort of makefun of, but I did really get a lot out of it. I think I think I did too I meanjust even Um just being in that environment. It'snew, you know, you know, having you know, wardrobepeople I mean not you now. You still have worder people, but having you know,having to wear the same thing all the time and having to make up and havinglearn how to do that o all very is ne style, so they're traactly o have topass the test of how to put your blush on. You know it's supor crazy, but yeah. It's it's a funthing and and I's the technology too 'cause it's in years. You're wirelesslike thank God, though right I mean yeah. I don't do it any other wayreally, but it's a lot of fun, they're doing um some. You know, obviously not now, butthey're doing they're going to do some really cool. I think that was sosuccessful for them that they're going to do some shows ' similar where it'slike live music and stuff, which is good for a Disney. You know they reallyneed that. You know yea hat people really relate to that and there's tonsof you know. Obviously, if you've been in Disney, you know but um tons of livemusic opportunities yeah at at the park for musicians who r really they just they need to play out ye that helps you dn get yourchops out and it helps helps you learn...

...how to be in front of people like mylike Ashley Yeah, for example: amazing, Singer, Ashley Moran from the Ice fromthe voice, yeah amazing, singer Um, and this was kind of an opportunity for herto kind of learn how to do that. INYE 'CAUSE! Shewas, you, know, kind of behind the Mike kind of person in the studio, and thisreally helpes her. Do that and and helps her shy. You know! So it's a goodexperience. I think people should do it for sure absolutely so we met in a wedding band called impulse. Yes, when was that that was a while ago, Piv Fifteen, sixteen yearsago, two thousand five or six when you was aart. When did the band start? Imoved to L A in two thousand and six Twotho and I did a another company called Wayne, FosterEntertainment, a similar sort of thing M, good, Um, similar sort of thing, I'll turn thatup n Cenai on the UM. I did another company called WaynVoster for for about six months or maybe a little bit longer and gotpoached kind of basically into this company called bestcoast music andthey're th fantastic. You know, Um live band yeah, you know, and it'sreally hard gig like for a musician, the singers actually weirdly. have itthe easiest, because there's four of you, so you sing like a quarter of theamount of songs I play every night. I know even less. I know 'cause I can dococktail sometimes and whatever Um, but so it's great for do I weep for you. DoI weep foryou? I lineeniall turned out fine, I'm no longer in it yeah. No, it's Um! It's a good GIG UM! It's a great way toyeah, like you said, get your tops up and and you've been the leader of it.Now for ten years, probably it's been a minut. It's ten a minute, maybe not tenyears, but definitely hit close incod e eight yeah yeah yeah. What's that likebeing the ringleader, because you also di this in Colorado, which we'll get towe're both from Colorado? How does that compare to the LA thing? Because, frommy opinion, I did it in Colorados. Well, it's it's! It's a beast out here. It'sit's almost like running a circus in a way that Colorado is a god of you. Imean it's. I know a lot of people in I know oneperson in particular who's been very successful in Colorado and has a reallygood company, but I think when you do the l a thing it is it it s, it's a level that just there'sjust no comparison, maybe New York. You know you have like the like the levelof musicianship that they get his bands O it's like any given night. You know around Layou're going to find a wedding band that in that wedding bandthere are you know five or six guys that it ontour. Wieveryone Y, you know you're, you know. Just in my band alone, I meanth Ho the whole band has done incredible things and ther theirresumes. You know a mile long and just just to know that like wow, you knowthe guy that just took the the Saxolthou was just on tour with fillcollins so and just did a a sack soler in front of millions of people and nowhe's doing cocktails at you know it's it's it's just just the way it is islike it's the best money you can make on theweekends. You know really you're, not GOINGTO, GA at a club. It pays reallywell and a lot of times you guys travel, which Wis Nice, like probably two timesa month, especially in the summer youre out of town. So those are fat payinggigs. So if you're in between tours- and you can have a chance to play it-you know it. It's surprisingly, you know full of phenomenaly wwell SS.Before I left Colorado in two thousand, I saw Lil Richie open up forteentoturner at the Pepsi Center. Maybe one of the first shows there forIhav just opened, you know and and a huge Lotor Rigi Fan, I'm PA onsort started like that. Im walkingaround trit was a weird thing where bought tickets and they looked fine onthe Internet, but you got there an like I cam and see the stage, so I bitchedit bitched and finally, they're like okay come on they, they start walkingme down and we start going down the steps and I'm like okay, El. These aregoing to be gocs. We keep going down the steps. Okay, this are great. Takeme down to the floor and I'm like, Oh my God it in 't meantime the show isstarting 'cause, it's like right and we end up like eighth row and I like okayand I paid for Shitzes. You know what I mean right and that's how the SSTAR,though, like it was all silent. How did...

...that? How did THA Fwell an any concert?And this is something to thing about there? Th they reserve- probably I don't even know of forty seats in thefront that are reser like seats that are set aside for the guests of the heact so towards the end of the show, if that guess, this doesn't fill up,they'll release those seats. So if you get there at the right time- and you doenough bitching, you might end up on the floor- Rightso just oh hint cool.So that happened to get Mer assle. Then you could get rewarded. Yes and Iwasn't had really really bad SAS and I didn'teven wand that honestly I went down. This is a stupid story, but this is notthe cool part of the story, but anyways I went down to say: Can I pay a gradelike I'm? Not, I don't want anything free, just nd they're like no. No, this Idon't even remember Um. The next thingI know I'm being USSURE tosome seads, but al. You know you're playing playingbase for Leten, but that's how the show opened like thelights go down. Everything is silent. People are starting to get weird, whichI love is the anticipation, and all you hear is Hello E, I'm looking for t yorlooking for and like that's just genius, you know so anyway, killer showDiinosaldo on on. I can't y I'm going to screw this upand not remember all the musicians but cut to two months later. I'm in La I domy first wedding, Bandgig and half of the band is on the GIG Yaan. I was likeOh this is I made the right decision. I think her. I think also people shouldknow that there, the level you can get to a pretty high level as far ascorporate bands and and and wedding bands or whatever, what ever you wantto call them ht in in Los Angeles, in New York, yeah and but there's shit aswell so yeah. So if you're, you know, if there you can find opportunitieswhere you can be fulfilled musically with those kind of gigs, because the musicianship is secondonnot yeah. You know and you're giggin in particulars hard, because you'rekind of the band of the company and there's more now 'cause you've beenputting them together, but oh we're and we're olde shit. Now the older wiser version, but there's you know you're the band oflike. Oh, you need Mediterranean music. Oh we've got the guys for you and thenYe pull Ou. The MINAT, oh Yo, like want Latin here's that you, a big band,here's another book and and for the guy in the ban, is just reading. Reading anreading reading you know so I d I mean it is reading reading. But I think youknow people like you know. You have amazing work ethic. You know you knowyes, you're an amazing reader, but you just did a lot of work beforehand too,and Um ah yeah. I think, but you don't always have the opportunity, T S O lotof times. You don't lot of t e times. You don't lot of times. You learn onWednesday that you've got to know these thirteen songs by Saturday yoorg oFriday, Ye h exactly so. That's one of thot biggest thing. I got out of it,though, by the time I got done of I mean I would have called myself a splusreader before and now I like a EEP, maybe an Aminu, an a minus reader. Ithink that's relative, also thepeople that are listening like yeah, I thinkdon't tell Eric. I said this, but I think his C pluses, maybe people's a miusmay, maybe but thenagain I mean Bernie dressel was the drummer. When I was in Incan, readFlyshit e, it's very intimidating because the dude plays on star wars,movies and, like you know, he he's a reader well and I'm not talking abouthe like literally, he was the the drummer in a drum movie. Exactly yes,yes, that's exactly right, but and I'm not talking about just likeokay, I can look at the chart and go that's cool. No! I'm talking about Um you're speaking in a Mike that wecan only hear 'cause, we're all oninears and you say, pull out number.Fifty, seven and and you've got thirty seconds to look at it and go boom. Youknow if you have that and you're still playing th La Song, so we're nottalking about just being in a session. You get the chart, you look it over.You got ti we're talking about siht reading fi like it's, it's a scarything a and I I I'm not the person who really talkabout that. Necessarily I I'm the person that asks other people to do that. Hi andI've seen deer and headlights like I've, seen that look where they're just like,oh my God, you know and y h those, but they get through it 'cause they're,just B, you know Youmas B, O ninety percent of the people that do ibanndare iand incredible. You know, so they can do that Um and I think that'sdefinitely a muscle that people want to exercise for sure. When you know whendoing music- and you read, though I do I appaent I do. I went to college and Ithink, as singers we get a little bit...

...of a bad rap for all you singers outthere listening, we get a little bit of a bad rap as far as like I was. I wasjust talking to oybody Mi Frendon, the other day UM MN rogers, brain and Rogers eanotheranother M and AO impuls, Singer, yeah nominal. I was just talking to himabout how you know instrumentalist. Sometimesthey say you know or people I should say in general, mhm well be like OK, weneed musicians to the right singers Stola, you know, and it's like Fokyou there D we get a bad wrap as far as notsometimes not knowing, because there are a lot of singers out there thathave just a natural ability R, but they don't speak. The Language and music isa lack of language. Just like French or Spanish o. You have to know what you'redoing and what you're talking about, and people will talk to you aboutthings and you have to know what the hell you're talking about right Um. So,but we get a bad rap, sometimes nd. I think I it's worked in my favoractually, because people don't expect a lot from freers, and so when I do knowa little bit they're like. Oh that's cute, all right, that's Nice! NOWBUT!You also do sessions singing like you, you you go to sessions and routsideread stuff Yo do yeah, I do and, and it's it's it's still nerve racking, butit's still a lot of fun. You know, maybe the and you can tell me 'cause.I've never been called as a singer to a session where I had a site. Readsinging, so I don't know, but I know from my experience, like generally in asession there's a little more time like I'm saying it's not you're not likeunder the gun thing read this or die. You've got a little bit of time orsometimes I've done sessions. Um I've done H. Strangely enough, I think the most Um you know the session that has c withthat was Kinda like that. That was kind o like okay, here's your part and onOug was a Disney session for this m. Thishis cartoon called Um Um Alena of Abalon, which, if you have kids or allyou out there, if you have kids, they know they know what it is. But it's like this little animated Umthing on Disney and we they called me in for the session. It was a Spanishsession. I G, I do a lot of Spanish lestions ECAUSE, I'm a Spanish speaker,but right UH. It was a Spanish session and Um they. Basically they laid out the sheepmusic in front of the front of us and they were like okay. Here we go, and Ihadn't done that for a while, you know itad been a while 'cause. Usually, Iwould say about ninety percent of the time. They're like here's, the sheetmusic. Look it over. Just like you know, interrous, look it over. Here we goright, ow, here's, the guy! Like her! LISTEN TO IT! You know here's the guide!If you want to listen to it or whatever or here's the track that we're going todo it to sing along or whatever exactly, and so you have time n. This is justlike: Let's go right M and it was like a little nerattling panic. It's alittle penic, but you don't want o a caus. You don'twant to be, but I always say: Um Ladin Prod, like strong and wrong strong andwrong, and if you're, I think you know if, if yo you want to be, you know bla,you don't blend or whatever you want to be. You know you know, especially inthose group sessions when you're like there's Erewas four of us. You knownice to girls and we're doing all the R horrs o even more nerve, racking 'cause,the guy. Next to you s sining in the same part exactly or or like. I was the tenor. He was. You know,B The barritoner base. You know an the e house was soprano, so he were doing afour part stuff and then, if a court didn't sound right, you were like. Wasthat me did I look at all the accident anals? You know like whats Gon, O YeahUm, it's nerve racking for sure, but you I always like if I I'm one of those singers that like a'N,pretty confident in my ability. So so, if I, if I'm wrong you're, going tohear it hen, I're Goinga hear that I'm wrong and I'll be and I'n. The firstsay that was me: Yos Doit, again a there's, nothing wrong with that right,you're in a session and you'ld be like that. Was Me sorry. Let's do it again.Ou know anything. Rong wit t they're they're not going to no call you backright. You Wont Right. You will never work in this towt again right. You knowI mean you've never been on that show again, but that a difess for differentreasons- Oi'm just kidding yeah totally and y kN as a trueactualy. That's funny! That's great! No produceras well, though, be strong and wrong like 'cause, then I can hear it and I Ican know IAS ou s and fix it. You're hiding in the back- and you just don'tknow, what's wrong rihtthere and there's always that always happens toote at there's, always that one per there's always that one singer, that'slike won't c. You know like Co Cup cop up to it. Yeah Yeaocagt to it is thatthe the Ri yeah there's always that one singer that won't do it and- and weknow in the room we know who it is nd were like do just say it was Eryeah.

I Ti old Adid do like how do you make aguitar n player turn down you put a chart in front of Hem, oh, but anyways same with singers. I guessfor some singers o. You know what, though I think you hear that more aboutsingers than you do about Guatar players. Yeah, you know an, I think.You know, and you know I would say, for all you aspiring singers whoarelistening, there's a couple things that you should definitely know, andthen one is how to sit read and to if you don't know how to site Red Ticke aclass there's ton, a osses Gerald White Um, who's famulous h does a great sitereading class for Sag after Um it just it's. It's an amazing hexperience and it's something that you need to add to your arsenal for sure.No doubt about it. You should definitely know how to do that. Right.Right right, right, Um yeah, he actually I do the ton of singing WhiteYokum and it Kindof was I'v, always sayingobviously, but this was a very I it's really high stuff and I haven't alwaysbeen the high singer so for PA. Eric has one of t my one of my favoritevoices so hearing him kind of talk in th. In this,like it's hilarious. Well I mean I've, always Goneo kept it. You know in the dark a little bit'cause, you know I'm a baseplayer and I'm a singer and when you're singingand playing base it's it's kind of a drag. So I I D I either want to be asinger or I want to be a baseplayer and lot of times it's just easier to be abaseplayer ecause. I don't have to take as good care of myself. I can show upto the GIG drunk whatever you know. There'r no base players rightnow. I'd Bee, like yes lie. Kid in Minnesota was going yeah. I found my calling yeah, but I don't dothat. Don't do that yeah, but wewice go it's it's a lot ofsinging and it's me and him all night and I'm doing all the high stuff. Sofor a while it was just getting tired and like how do I get this tone rightand I haven't been to music schooled 'cause. I I W. I went to Berkeley forthree semesters. First one I was based the second ene I was a bocalist andlast one I went back to base 'cause vocalist are crazy, but m. So I had so. I went to Gerald and hewas amazing, like cit a one lesson. It was an hour less and I was just like.Oh it just like kind o reminded me of all the correct stuff and like just putme in in a good space and like probably save my voice so anyways, I wouldhighly recommend him. Yeah used to have one O show. I think H T I thinkthingonthe m the H. What we all will get from this potcastis tha people that you should have had. May Syeah, I'm Goin to take no O my b,Oh yeah, that guy! Oh Yeah, that guy, I have to confess something I I lovebooks, but I I don't love reading and it it's been something that I've I'vewrestled with. Since I was a kid you kN W, I can read. I have red books butthey're very time consuming, and I've spent most of my time trying to build amusic career which takes a lot of time. But one thing I definitely do a lot ofis drive in L, a traffic on my way to a GIG and there's a solution thatcombines those two situations and it's called audible. Dotcom. Otto hasthousands of audiobook titles and you can listen offline anywhere anytime.The APP is free and can be installed on all smartphones and tablets, and theyhave just a ton of music related titles. Like all you need to know about themusic business, Bydonalis, passman, Ow, music works by David Byrn or musicproduction secrets by Calvin Carter, and you can get a free thirty day trialright now. If you visit audible, trial, dotcom, slash, dive bar rock star,that's audible, trial, dotcom, slash dive bar rock star, I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the diebar rocks our podcast as a new pot cast getting theword out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road or off the road has their current case.Maybe if you would like to support the bodgast all you got to do subscribewherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two pleese leave areview. You can also share and follow the podcast on your social media APS. Okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening, so we also have in Commonat well you'reoriginally from Venezuela. Yes, hiis! Why you're such anfluent? Yes, LlorOALL, my less know, brothers out there, it's it can be done. We can do it, don't lose hope, Telu, how you say,hope H, but then you you moved to ColoradoArester. I no my family lived in New York for a minute, just a split minute and then Um, andthen we moved to Colorado when I was Um.

Maybe four Oy yeah and you're a bityounger than me, but you went to the same elementary school for a minute emerald, Elementar, RTIs,creanrelementary fans out there really honestly yeah yeah, Broomfield Yeah.That's where I drew up Wensdoy all my o, but you went to cherry creak where therich kids goonfor, that I do um and then you went on to UNC. I did veruniversity of Northern Colorado is. I went there for many reasons. One isbecause I we could afford it Y K. They also the were the only ones togive me a little bit of a scholarship. Oh Wo, and I was the one and H, but Iwanted to go to like Cincinnati Conservatory I wanter to go to IndianaIversity, I wantd to be an oppera singer at first. You know so I was likemaybe thinking that route. You Know Nyu, obviously an like you know all these. Idreams and you know, ambitions right and I was like ww. Remember those, but actually it it was amazing and U ndC, has an amazing jazz program really got into as local jar articular vocaltest, probably the top in the region. You know for sure inColorado, an though I would say in in the mountain reg miure t it s, it's oneof Ito, schools. If Youma is it still the jazz press I mean? Is it I don'tknow? I don't know, I think jazz press is still the main. If you, if you're avocal jest student and youth sung a vocal jazz chart yeah we did that Rit.It was the UN c vocal, jazz press chart, yeah and I think all of the countryyeah yeah yeah and I only knew ecause. My acquir teacher had dated Gen Aken,you know so we have that are really old, not at e Ti, I'm old, that's the thingthat is that's true, so yeah a ause. He was iy moons ago, soJean Baisplayer. He was no heas kind of on his way out when I got there and Istill did like an improposation class with them and still got to really yeahstudy with him, which was amazing and yeah he's really great, really rightand he also did instrumental music. He would leave the big bans. He wasthehead of the H, o the whole Ta Cass thing right yeah, so we would go upthere. When I was in high school, you know not only for the US jazz festival,both you know for choir, mainly but u just in the middle of the year 'causeshe could just call hem up and be like hey I' got this new base player whoreyour best guys up there. We want to Co, bring the whole rythm section up thereand just work. WITHYOUR DUDES! You know s. We had a pretty close relationshipSoh I actually got into to UNC, but then I I decided to go to a betterschool. That's ASI know H, I in Berkley World Reowgine, but it's fine, it's o Ha to say you know it's not really.Where you go, it's what you make of it forever. You know if you're young, youknow nd D, You don't get into your number one school or whatever it's okay,you know t life is long. You know you do other face Tros Troe, but that ledyou to Seattle. Eventually, like you got, I you got a pretty heavy end, tofvocal, a stuff I did. I got into a lot of vogajaz stuff. I became a hugeAccapella nerd before it was cool before there weremovies about it. Hundred percent r ahead of the cur. Don't know. If thatsays about me, Beonei was too, though ND. I was probably seven years beforeyou, Ai was Ino all that stuff. Yeah I' love, like you know, take six. You knowManhadt transferd, then or voices, and all these you know really amazing, JazzGe Han Rits Ias sine if you ad, to go back to ArFreshma, but I saw the Ritz was one of their first concerts at UNC. Actually,Y. U Know April Arabia, skus are so great and the bobs the MIsar M at UNC UM. No, so I I I did. I was a huge Um nerd when it came to a Capella music. Ihad an OCCUPA group in in high school and college and did Um. I don't know ifyou knew this, and I don't know if this is. This is really true, and you shouldmack check me on this, but I I do think that UNC had the first before my time,but had the first ever university jazz group nominated forGrammy, Oh mhm. I think that sounds right. Yeah it sounds. It does have o olp by it. Rigi yeah. Doyou think any Um, acapel vocalnerds will be listening to this POTC, a soutetcee whatever Heyweron? I don't. I don't know what they erecall. I thinkit was etceter or someeteforthat was the girl o. They were amazing, so I was a huge Hugen of that and I met Um guys from an a capella. A contemporaryACCAPELA group called impact. They're. Very much like you know,...

...like take six meats, a rockapella right,so they had a lot of like the extension cords but pop they would do like pop rock musicalsoi. So it was really Tass rock. They doteverything an laundry in running notot. You no no, never mind o. Did you research, the it all the Im ithought?You Got Anany Research. I saw you guys, you know when you first,when we first met, you played a the AGAPA church. We did did a show and nowith H, Bagrin ind the audience. Oh, I didn't even know that I was sittingnext to Bernie dresslend. He was taking up half my chair re, getting real close, but no, but we we um. I I loved that kind of music and Imoved to a long story. Short I've moved to Seattleto join that group, yeah, eventually and and Seattle's kind of a hub forthat stuff. I don't know if people know gave cross up there. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah,yeah, yeah horse. We actually when I was in high school, we took a trip upto Seattle to compete actually Vancouver to compete up there and westopped at Dave Cross's high school yeah. We did a little dual concertthere and then we went morn competed ot and it was cool 'cause. I had anaccapell group as well and we we performed and and on I actually wantedto wor ter saying at Solo that day. HOW WOULD YOU SCOOBY DO B? Did you sing,tennor or baton UH tricky? I Sang Bartone inqoir mostly,but I was really the base player D, so I would kindo learn the songs most ofthe day and then, when it got close to Compentgon, we a play the base, so Iwould come up and I would sing the ballad that didn't have a rythm sectionand the other times I'd be in thether and then for my own group. I sang tenor. Yes, I did. It was a fourpeace group, so yeah I had a base. I was tenterind Lto P, but I wrote andranged all the songs too, and it was cool now, I'm just bragging but anyways,but I've disapproved that I'm Nin Kaer, I'm just as nery. You know I was veryinto it, which is kind of interesting, because then you moved to l a with thatgroup with the group yeah, so impacts moved here and in fact, Um quick little interesting sidenote. It'stheir hour, I should say twenty fifth anniversary of that group beingtogether, Oso all those groups, if you ever, if you've ever heard of anoccapell group, re a recent one, they were influencedby Tak six Rogahella and impact. I M A there's, no doubt about it. We theyjust they've, just been going for so long. It's with those three groups. Youknow you know you mentioned a few but contemporary acapella. Those tree Imean really, I ht, maybe there'SB housejacks. Maybe you can add a couplemore but like. If you were doing, I like all those pitch perfect movies andall those things that we love with t the new group, the big one thatjust o that won all the granmies of Shid anddown t they they they won the first ever accapellashow and now they're hugerigts. I no. I can't believe we don't. I that mean right, O the I knowill I'llput it ther you'll, put housnd corrections of the Internet, lidtlecorrections anddrotection, I moved to l a with impact Um and you know again, um fantastic, vocal group and they um really. I grew musically with them, rnglots because I learned I learned how to sing with other people.I learn I have bland. I learned how to not to blend sometimes and be like youknow, Um standout and you know, Um being an individual and how to performhow to really really perform in front of people and it's unique because well obviouslyyou're all singers. There's no band, there's no bad! You guys on a state,yeah and there's ours performance. It's all about what you what you got ot ofand and there are there are like you know, it's a small group of people thatfollow it. You know, but it's in the scheme of things, it's small,but it's it's a big following you know he would go to Asiaand she would be crazy. You know we go to Korea, you know oncea year at least sometimes twice Ho were going to Italy. You know a couple ofminmes a year: It'd be crazy, festivals, vocal festivals. You know you have likethe real group and take six and impact and rnoit would just be nuts yeah nutsnons completely nuts Um. So I really I grew as a musicianalot doing that kindof stuff and I think, any time you're in front of people andperforming you grow. You know- and I...

...think that's super important foranybody. That's starting out or even not starting out just to you know like,like we mentioned with Ashley like s seasoned singer, but not seasoned performer necessarily in front ofpeople and and people there are. A lot of people like that were just being infront of people, helps you know and just being starting to feel thatnatural El, I kind of enjoy the the mountain gladwell ten thousand hours.You know if you like people, don't get like ten thousand hours practicing.Your instrument is one thing d. Now you a need those ten thousand hours beingon the stage. You know it's a whole other deal. You know sad, but true, a lot of people justwenyeah yeah, yeah yeah, but it's you know it's fun. Isn't that why we do it?You know it's not like the most W L I on t know. Maybe I've t always fun whowho the hill knows. But so you move here and you're you're still playinginfact and you see an audition for a new show, only five seasons in calledAmerican idol yeah and you jump on it. I know so how dod that, how did thatall happen? 'cause, it's kind of an interestingstory. I mean for those Pe, don't know I've known ready forever W he was thebest man at my wedding like I. I basically know all the answers to thesequestions already. So that's why I'm trying to findinteresting ways to answer these puessons yeah, but well, I'm onlyaskering asking the questions I know are interesting answers. So 'cause believe me there's plenty ofthat aret so anyway. So, but I think this whole audition story is. Is it was sort of interesting? I don't know if,when this gets released, that it'll still be a thing, but it's still athing now, oh yeah, as we're recording this so in his never it is. It is, andyou know I'm very I'm the first to say I'm supergated about the whole thing Y.I fr. As you know, yeah superjaded hundred percent right Um went into itthinking I was the king of the world full on I full on. I was like I'mwinning this whole thing. I'm the best hang o the world, not the case Um, but you know those those failuresfailures. I N quotationthose. This us make you grow as a person and you knowm yeah, I D yeah. It was shortly after I came to to l a that. I figured out that Ididn't want to do impact F, full time forever. You know- and I wanted to doother things that I wanted to. You know- become a Sta just likewe all butjustlike. We all do you know me Gd man, just like everyone does yeah. Okay, I Ithink m spoiler, spoiler, alert from those who haven't read the whole book. Spoileer you've made it really. It's thyou've made it when you, when you can support your family, doing what youlove yeah. You know and that's really the poiler alert of the whole thing orfor you I mean. I think everyone has their measure of that and that's what'ssurprising. When you hear other people talk about it, because you use yourmeasure for what you think is a measure of making it and you look at otherpeople- and you go oh well that guy's made it and that guy might be like now.I still got like Eigh eigt more records to make or likeTro. I need a a bigger following o. You know it's sort of a personal. It isvery fart Lark. It is very POC. It's my own personal book, Be Person R. No, I yeah! I I got here to L A andrealized that I wanted to do something else and Um auditioned for a littleshow that you may have heard of uh, but it was weird because I was gettingmarried. I got gotten married that year and your wife is a fabulous INEAR. Sheis fantatically, we'll have her. Maybe we should have her on the show. This is a great any romany ideas of ecraas. The idea show she's actually impulse as well a femalesinger and Um. We we should do a whole show aboutworking with your spouse or oend yeah. It should be a separate hi right, EH H.No, I h audition, so I ha just got married and we were planning our honeymoon. We were going to go the Dominican R Republic and we had gotten married in March, but wewere not going to go on our honeymoon until until August and the American idol editions were inAugust here in L, a ANA couple, F friends of mine had auditioned beforeand not made it or made it, but not very far, and I wajust like this there's n, you gotta be kidding me. There's this P, there'samazing singers, and it's true right. You know you go, and you know these you're in a hugestadium with full of people that are auditioning. You know a so you know I Iended up, not in L A I ended up,...

...additioning in Um in Tennessee guy and in Nashville inNashville. Well, it was it Nashville. No, it was Um, there's there's other towns in Tenesee, Oh okay, the other one, okay, no onecall anyway anyway. MEMPHIS, yes, is theother Oneso. I we had just Um. We had just gotn married. We were goingto goon our honeymoon in August, the auditions were in L A in August and I missed them. So I hadto FLY TO MEMPHIS MHM. Maybe you've heard of it ot a big music town no to audition, and I auditioned- and Iwas very I didn't know- obviously what the whole process was, and so I flewout there Um and on my own dime, you know I had somemiles or whatever and I like flew out. There stayed in like this crappy hotelroom and I went to the audition and there's like like I said you know yougo and there's like you know, thirteen thousand people or whatever in astadium, filled yeah. You know it was at the stadium in Memphis and it wasjust like huge and it was tons of people and just like it's sooverwhelming. Yor like this is crazy. You're there all day I as twelve hoursor whatever, and you finally get to in front of somebody who ca w o matters,Yo, N and they're just like, and they give you like twenty seconds yeah. Itis it's crazy and those that's. What you don't see or hearabout in in the show and that'smessed up and I've always thought that was messed up and that's why I'm justjated about the whole thing, but Wy yeah, it's tortuous, its SOTR IVEdisten, for I listen for an expector and what was that show they were tryingto find a Dev Devaro? U Rock Star or some th, the inexcess yeah, the first thinseason was in excess and then I, but all the same process, just gruelinghorrible weightweightwait get there at five in the morning just to wait,andlits! True! It's true! You wait. You waited line for so long and it's justlike you Kn W. I was young young and I say in quotations I was twenty six. Iwas at the dead cut off and that's why I why I decided to audition, because itwas the last year of eligibility right right right and so because they're agists apparently aswell, and so basically I got through the whole day and y. u you're in frontand you're you're in this stadium and down on the football fed and there's,like you, know, seven or eight blittle boots and in each booth there's aproducer and you go in there with five people right Andea each of those fivepeople get to sing for twenty seconds. A you're like you're like thank you.You know it's like Mt, I didn't even Btyou know, and so it's really a crapshoot anyway. So let me just say that going I mean it's Agra, yes, e act thatyou made it as far as you did it. Just it's the lottery Li. It is the lotterybe because it it's crazy how they do it and how qualified this is why I was G,how qu W that first Rond I know youv got maybe like for expector. There wasprobably twenty judges there and they're producers or whatever and likewhat do you know about singing like dont know, yeah, I don't know migh evensing. You know we have on that. Who Do you have on that? Could danceer thatquestion? We know people ye onlys got to be able to be able to answer. Well,I I think Ryan CCRES is on next week. I don't know he would be God he oo. Ven Know norightexactly YeahYeah anyways, so you go. I you know Y U're you're in front of these people,and so I went up and I sang a Spanish song and I thought you know just to bedifferent- that smart, you know I sang lase me Gal Song, and it was so it'sfunny because tangent also m you now, we've been seeing all those facebookthings like your top ten albums that av influenced you. You know which isalways like, but Um id, let it you did. No you now you di no you're cool, you're, Co, byt, but thit's ist impossible for me, and alsoa lot of Isre a lot of my albums people, wouldn't even knowlike Lise megallicles,bemes, hugely influential for the way. I'm the way I sing. The Way I thinkabout music is like such an amazing center. So I sang one of his songs, Duror one of his versions of hi Sonduring, the that producer round and I againjust to be different 'cause. I saw all these people go in front of me andtherewas amazing cigarette like really good saiers- and I was just like Igotta- do something different. You know...

...so I sang a Paner Song D. Theyre likeOh, that's, nice right, okay, Yo'll go on you know and so B. There's five ofUS- and you know they'll, be like you step forward the rest of you by you goon. You know MHM. I think, and it sometimes it's nobody n and you justsee people just heartbroke yeah. I know 'cause they've been waiting for twelvehour yeah. That's the thing that you don't see on t v. all you see on T v isRandy Simon andpollar. Back in my day you know nolike Katys, Serry and youknow, but you don't see the thousands of people that didn't even get to theredidn't even get 'cause, there's yea seven rounds before you even get tothem. Yeah Yeatoia, which I didn't know. So I get to the next round and I'm likeokay, cool and they're like okay. What else do you? You know, Sing Sing thissong saying the Spanish on they're, like cool Spanish, whatever what elseyou got, and so I sang open arms mm, the journey, Jur song and they werelike cool. Keep that know. Theyot like tell you like, keep that one: okay,okay, cool great, come back tomorrow. You know, and you know, and I'm like my flights. I gotta go right right right and they're like Oh,no, no, no! No! No! No! You! We really need you because you're Hispanic and weneed Hispanics, because we have a quota right. I'm sure I I don't know that' for sure,but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they said. They didn't say that, but in my mindthey said thatright right and so they're like no. No, no. Youneed to come back tomorrow. Um. This is after a day, G. I've skippedMANYPRI've skipped many. You know a judges in many producers, 'cause you gothrough literally for Rafi, yeah, yeah and so they're. Like okay cool, comeback tomorrow and UM. You get in front of Randy Simon Andpolotomorrow and I was like I'm out, I'm going, I'm going home and I have aflight, my and they're like no O, no okay come when are you available and I',like? I don't know next week, two weeks from now and they're, like okay in twoweeks, e're going to be in Seattle, mm go to Seattle and you'll go straight tothe thing I'll ask you won't have to. I like okay go yeah, so I was going toSeattle anyway to to visit. You know, and so I went to Seattle and that's why,on the the T V version IAM in Seattle, butreally I I additioned in mymphus Um, so when and also why I don't have anyfamily or friends there, 'cause Rigti'm like I'm there to like you, know, Yohang out, but like I my no, I have no family there rightyeah. So I did againopen arms and was of course I did that because Randy Ras in the base playerfor a journey for a while and is now like think hes, just anoge rejoined after some. I just read a headline Ihaven't woreyeah like guess: There was some band dispute and he he's back inreally ill a fact check it, but I read it on the Internet, so it mustbe true, but I heard that the drummer's GoneYeah Tanda and somebody else rejoined that had done the records were in it awhile back Oka I'm going to check it Oka it's it's. It's Big News, anyways!No, it's interesting that you're so bitter about it. Because- and I know itwas you know I feel, like your expectations were probably a little offfrom the get go o hundred percent. I thought I was OING NA winter whole. Idrank and I think all all singers in in a sense do think they're the greatesting. Well, I think its part of the GIG honestly thisgy, it's gotta, be I meanyou don't have that confidence Le Brorvado of like I'm, the greatestrever yeah, then you know yeah as successful right right. Maybe Idon't know dod. I just make it up. No, I think that's absolutely true.Well, I think it's funny too 'cause also when you're, young and you'r. Ifthings are going well hundred percent and H, you know y you you'reto naive,you're, not smart enough to be scared of anything t. You know you're, just Hand cockiness is what gets you to a certain level o like. If I, when I camehere, I wasn't the BASEBAER. I thought I was B just thinking that I was got mea lot of gigs exac Y, AH exactly but yeah. That's something to really takeaway from this is that is, you know, is that attitude is, is half the battleyeah and when I first got here good friend of mine, Mail Brown told me hewas just like. Don't don't don't act, green, O 'don't? Let Hem see you as ayou know like a young kid who doesn't know what they're doing like go in andmy first audition was for ricky minor for the back street boys. You know Ihad been here like three months and every it was a big GIG at the time. Youknow great players in their band and there was every great base player inthe world sitting in front of me in in...

...the room, Flus riggy minor, you knowand it was super intimidating, but mel was like just going and you know beconfident you know 'cause if y. If you know it's like, if you show fear Thee,then you're done Ta, ealt Yai didn't get that Gig either so, but it was great to go in. I met Rickieand I thet was a cool thing, but but it's so tricky so al right. Well,you gent on you, you you were on TV, millions of people watching yeah. Iit's it's one of those experiences where I'm glad I did it. It was anexperience that t I I took. I if you gotta, take something from each defeator Easur failure, or each experience and reason takes take something fromtheir and even each wind. You know take something from it. You know, don'tthink that you're just because you win this one think youwin everyone. It'snot true. Just like any our lose this one or eventhat's what I'm saying. Just like any actor will tell you, you know you, youdon't book a hundred shows before you. You know book the You know one that Ri,not even the one that you want, but it's like we'll get you to the nextright. Also golfers will say that O M that one shot that'll keep you comingback yeah to try again gambling gamble hat it all. Is it really is it's it's it's the viceyeah, it's Yo, 're you're searching for that that elusive. What t the drug diccall it t e the Dragon Yeah chasing the Sha oe dragons. I guess I don'tknow but UH. This is turnd into anotherdifferent pot, CA, yeah, yeah yeah. Well, it's called diver oxter at goesalong with I dow. If, if you're tuning in then you should expect yeah a littlebit of that yeah, definitely well Um, it's cool that I mean it also broughtus together in a way too, because I was out on, I had left the band 'cause. Iwas out in the high school musical toer when I saw you onting V and I was likethat was the first time we B yeah dotally, know you and M. You called melike. I was on the road and you called me it was like hey. I did this show andI I voted off, but I got this sort of a deal here. I had like a the tiniest little recorddeal that came from that which was like it was a compilation record that theyended up doing um nineteen productions or whatever manthat you know it was back then, but um they were like we wantte. Do you knowwe really like you, even though you sucked at the show Wheno didn't now, but like all the wayyou spin it in or hey it is, but you know you go you get to a certain spot.You know you the top twenty four in my case and you know, and you know you'R,I thought it was n. i the whole thing and then you know it ends up being ashow not about talent which now that's why I was all upset about it. Yeah youknow cause you thought it was called American singer. I I thought it wascalled America's best singer Yeah. Well I mean you Y. I y you don'twant to watch it, not that not that egreat SAR din, wint Jordan, spark'sGreat Saer. She won fantastics airmy Buddy Blake Lewis got second place,he's a great performer, great singer, great, be boxer. He's fantastic yeah branded Rogers Rad singer got Ffar also yeah. They did have fantastic singers onthere. I'm just saying Yeah US o a lot of people that yeah yeahwell yeah it the shows changed a lot too. Idon't know you probably haven't watched it 'cause, you hate it, but it it'schanged so much now. It's really enjoyable because back then they alsowere putting through as many bad singers as they were good singersbecause they wanted to have that make fun of them at the audition thing,which it happens a little now, but it's it's not, and it's not the same either.It's not Simon. Just tearing hem apart. It's mostly the guy's going yeah,that's not going to work, and it you know not this Exploiteshn exploititatwas it that horrible, like whe, was horol horrible thing to do to peopleethat's what I'm talking about like Oh da parts, Lara, rude and wor shore rude, and I think it goes a I don't know wecould talk for days about it. I guess Ereallyit goes along with that whole.The thing at the time of the reality show and Jerry Springer when it justbecame all of a sudden bad behavior was glorified, and now you have Simon Cowelwho's, just not a nice person by any stretch of the imaginations, supersweet, not not on camera like well. That's I nok Oni like really nice andit was so funny because if you look back onfooted like I'm they're liketalk about White Simon hates, you saw that I, Simon hates me yeah, okay, cool I'll talk about that. Iguess Otal Reality Show Yeah Formula Yeah exactly so yeah, it's it's lame, Idon't know, but but you did it and so basic. I know yeah like I, it's a weird thing.'CAUSE, it's like again, I I say: Um...

Spoiler, alert end of the book. Youknow I I'm happy, you know and I think musicians M. Ninety percent ofmusicians should be happy. Yeah with you know the making it you know stigma is. I hasbeen it's just a it's. Not Not a lot of people get famous an notot. Lot of people are just in Beeber or oh Silidagomez. It's like you know. Wemake a living doing what we love and I support my family. Doing where I loveand that's fantastic and t en o love. That and you know, do I still havedreams and hopes and aspiration. Do I want to write the next? It O yeah.Absolutely and it'll never stop working for that Y, absolutely wellswill, rightand we'll we'll continue to do that, but Um. I think getting to to a point where you can behappy with what you've done is important. Do you know what I wethere's a bunch more to talk about, but M Werewe're going lawe we're we'regoing to have to do it part too? Yes, exactly and that's the beauty of these,the OVA podcast. I guess I mean I'm new at this, I'm just I'm jumping in andworking hard and thank God, Ey. You are thank God that you are yeah it'sinteresting. I think people will really get something out of it, because youknow I being a musician in this in this town is looks like a lot of different things, aand marred and obviously, but it can look like a lot of different things andI think that's what's really great t what th t what your highlighting is.That is the the difference there of how you how people can really make it inthis town and it's they say I about New York, but I Ifuckin think about it. I think it's La if you can make it in l a you can makeit anywhere. Weoh yeah, that's great! Well, what's end on that man! Wellthings FERE COMING OUT! Rudy Cardanos, he's amazing, thanksfere, coming on the show. Thank you so much check out waiting for Monday, terkout the classic rock show check out check out fly it's another record thatwe did. I ot fly Yeali Rudy Car Danis Cardina. How do you like to sayGovenice, Co, tenas a I like it, that's so sex. I hope you had fun listening to me andmy buddy rudy goof off a little bit. I mainly wanted to have him on thepodcast because he's a great example of you know what a professional musician'slife looks like, especially as a singer. It's all about having many incomestreams, he's a leader of a top wedding band, hes session, Singer Workd forDisney and another thing that he does, that we didn't have a chance to getinto, but lead singer of a band called lights, which is a journey tribute band,and so all of these things add up and at the end of the months at the end ofthe year, somehow the bills get paid and that's kind of probably what itlooks like for the majority of musicians. And you know it's fun. Ienjoy it because you don't get burnt out on any one thing. 'CAUSE, there'sall kinds of things that you you get to do you. You have to do to sort of keepeverything going, some corrections and clarifications. I would never show upto a GIG drunk. Nor would I recommend it if you'd like to sustain a careerthat doesn't mean that there aren't gigs where alcohol is consumed. Butthat was just a joke. I don't show up to gigs truck and I would definitelynot recommend that if you with like a future in music, the University ofColorado did have the very first college, vocal group that was nominatedfor a grammy and they were called vocal jazz one and the nineteen and eightyfour album is called hot. Four. The UNC jazz press does still exist and theysell CDs and vocal arrangements by students and faculty and they cal befound online at UNC jazzpress dotcom, the movie that I forgot was rock star,and that was also the name of the show that I couldn't remember so. Um Checkthose out. Steve ajery was the the lead singer of journey thatreplaced Steve Perry and Jeff. Scottsodo did replace him and RandyJackson did just rejoin journey as well as Michael Narada Walden on drums. Sothat ought to be a really interesting line up so check it out. If you're outthere, we actually worked at California adventure on the Madtea Party, notDisneyland. It's like Disneyland Adjacen, but it's definitely adifferent park and when I was talking about going to a concert and how theyreleased tickets that that are reserved for the guests of the act, I said youlook for them towards the end of the show, but you' really got to get hembefore the beginning of the show, but probably a good half an hour before theshow they start releasing those tickets. So just in the future, if you need abetter ticket, that's it well. I hope you enjoyed this show wow. You've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to STA...

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