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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Lucas Grabeel- Hey, Kid! You Should Be In The Pictures! (High School Musical, Switched At Birth, Pinky Malinky)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Actor/singer/songwriter/musician, Lucas Grabeel, talks about his musical journey to stardom. From his early days in local musical theater to writing music for tv and film. He reminisces about making the High School Musical movies as well as the tour and how that changed his life. Lucas opens up about some of the hard lessons he’s learned in both his acting life and his musical life. He also tells the story of being “discovered” in Los Angeles.

Follow Lucas at:

https://www.instagram.com/MrGrabeel/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcTGXtWtJj5UOxDFSAKFZtw

Social Distance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ksVjwOP1-Q

All The Things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNAVRheXsw

Beautiful Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG1yMDpBGVg

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...was you know? Oh I should actually.This is real. This is. Why should I actually do this right and then yeahonce the h mix was done and everything it was like?Oh, this needs a video now so yeah, you know, but before you got to the videothough you caught up, this is Kindo your, maybe not your first productionbut like I made the track, I made the music, but then I sent to you and youdid all the rest and how was that that was h? I asked me 'cause. I know itis awful very little that I hate more thanrecording and editing my own vocals is the worst Um. I yeah. I hate everything and I don't eheat anything either. So I just I'll sing a tusting a take and if I don'tlike one part of it, I just delete it N, I'm like R and I'll just go and go andgo and then I'm might go. Oh I've been recording for four hours and I have oneone ack yeah yeah yeah. I know I know I do a lot of it myself and and but it'sa great learning experience. Oh Yeah, I was Kinda happy when you were justtaking it on and going for it 'cause. What else are you going to do unlockdown exactly exactly and, and you know everyone else is, it seems likeeveryone else- is learning a new language or doing some a extremely productive thing. So youknow I' e most days. I feel pretty useless duringthis whole thing, but that was actually like. Oh I I have a purpose today. Ican wake up and write. You Know Ma, even if it's silly hopefuly I mean thatwas the whole point make a silly video, that's relatable to what the situationis, W we're all feeling, and hopefully you know, people dig it. Of course. Thesecond you release something like that: It's like O uh are people going to hate it like.What's you know so or me its just terrible about that? Like yeah, youjust never know right, O it's's going to be divide. Is this the first of thelast thing I'll ever do kindof like a podcast, but then I getyou know Kenny Arteka calling me and he was like hey so bet. You know she's alongtime friend wow and I just thought this was amazing and I'd love to shareit with her as it. Okay. If I send it to her, I was like well, I mean it's Onsort Ol media, so I just send itto everybed right. Rightbut got a private, but maybe yes, but I love thatold school, Um old Hollywood kind of thing about it and I mean atomand. I grew up. You know dancing around and singing betmiller when we were kidscleaning thright. So it was kind of a cool, a full circle thing it was likewow. I never thought that modler would ever hear me sing. Let alone mecovering, or you know, doing, a parody of one or persongsright. I was reallycrng. That's amazing Social Tance, medcl nineteen as a corow Wito, WaisWalkin, your dog socialdistance, don't Inebodys Plse Raan do even tame. Oh, I g to see a mom RSIXTY, LGOFSNA boy,making time pep crazy, andyour, freating hands, Saasautom, of course, being your sister,my wife. Yes, those e who don't know yet we are officially related, but marriage she's a really good. I really good. Wemarriage too, a wedding, sowhere marriage, W ot's, a good, wet marriage. Well, thank you. Yes, you actually married us. I did that was that waspretty awesome I' Mar. Yet it was an amazing day. That's for sure, yeah yeah.I think I'm I'm starting this whole bacost just going down. People thatwere at my wedding so has beenbeen mentioned the whole time. It was. I mean I've. Never I I I don'tknow of any other wedding with better music for sure, an like all of the allthe people dythere and yeah. We had like four bands: Togo ot a plane. I mean that's the Nicething about knowing musicians and I was like: Don't buy me a gift. I you knowjust please play some music I'll I'll,...

...give you a dinner Yo Kno, so you knowit worked out. Pretty good had a good time. That's for sure. I thinkeverybody did yeah and you've also just released the cool cover of when theparty's over Oh yeah was that fun to make no it's another thing. That's like Hereiam by myself making a yeah. I mean that's the other crazything about this quarantine. It's like not having that collaboration is reallydifficult, especially like. I know a lot of people, love, doing, uh,creative things on their own and and I do a lot of times, but when it comes to music and- andespecially I mean this, I so funny 'cause I've been doing, I've beenplaying instruments and singing h. Since I was a kid- and I still, you know, you put a microphone in frontof me or a camera on me and I get so nervous still and I just like freeze upand again Ho take after take after taking. If it's not perfect, then youknow I'm lik well, that' sucked thatas the worst thing ever yeah and yeahfighting fighting your Innerdemons, and then you know at the time m my buddywas staying with me and s that added a whole other layer. 'cause he's in theother room, editing a TV show working from home, and here I ave singing. You know loudly throughout the House, wits n,dark and vulnerable. Oh yeah, there's nothing better that that feeling ofbeing really vulnerable just waiting for the door to open like Yo, forsomeone to come in and just ruin the entire moment yeah we had a. We had a thing before Um when he was still working every time hecame home. I was always playing the piano and it was like. Oh wellthe. Onlytime that I sit down and play the piano is when you walk in the door. It's likeyou know some weird sh right. If you ever need hem to comehome, then that's what you do t rightyeah. Well, I thought it was awesome o thankyou and you plan to do more of that stuff. Yeah. I've been, you know. Well, I was planning on doinga lot more of that stuff Um. You know socal media this week. I decide it's, it's it's different yeah and itshould be different Um. But if, if the last few months F, if twenty twenty, asof yet has taught us anything, it's that we don't know t the hell's coanhappen tomorrow. 'cause I mean it seems like S. unbelievable literally aliens could could come down ND andtake over tomorrow and we'd all be like okay cool. I mean I was betting onZombis, but you know sure yes makes sense. I know yeah thatwas. Another reason I kindofwanted postponed too. This didn't feel like we should be talking about musicright. This secn I need to have E had a couple of days and let everything relaxa little bit even just to get your brain in it. You know yeah, it's really.I I do find it h hard to be creative. When you know there's so much going on and you want, you want to be informed andeducated and a part of it and and and as helpful as you can be right, but youknow I. I can't begin to understand. Weahpeople go through Right, Oh yeah! So it's it's! U It's a tough situation,but M Yeah! I do have. I had a lot of songs that I've been working on and Um. Hopefully there will be a right time in space forsome Nice, music and Levity, and and andthat kind of thing 'cause. That's really why I I am even on social media.I kinda hate it, but I'm an entertainer and that's what I love to do. I loveinteracting with people and fans and all that stuff have been so lucky to tobe in so many m really cool projects that you know. I have a platform and so yeawhen I when I can entertain people Um, you know I'd love to do it. So if, ifI'm quarantined then making videos in my house is all I cando: Yeah Yeah Wel. You made some videos that went on prime time not too longago. Oh Re, we just look at you in your transition, Yeah Elit Ust. Well, it's interesting'cause. I I also did a thing with a friend of mine, Rudie WHO's on anotherpat another episode of this. We did a face with live performance and it'sjust so awkward as a musician, because I'm used to having an audience, and soit just makes the whole something to get used to Ye h and it might sort ofend up being the future in a weird way, because all these...

I feel like it's, it becomes a look nowthat people are still going Na want to use even after they don't have to. Youknow what I mean sure. So I wonder if this is going to be a part of your inmy life, you know for the future, but then I started thinking about you andhow, like you've, been on you'v You', one, a lot of film and T v work wherethere's no audience so, maybe not as weird for you yeah I mean and h. Youknow the countless times. I've auditioned o home, hape and stuff. It'syou know I used to have a room in the house that was just dedicated to that,a right, and so yeah I mean, but that just brings up Um only memories of anxiety, terror 'cause. I hate doing that too. So youknow yeah. I think you're right though I think the're and I've had many moments, whilethinking and brainstorming and learning these songs and thinking of ofdifferent things to do in the future yeah. How much of this s is going to bepart of my regular career? You know, and I mean that's really the only way thatyou can get stuff out right now so yeah. I think we ought to get just get usedto it, because we have oure control over R ourselves, ou O r. Our situationby you know doing these live things yeah and well. I mean like now that youhave this space. This is this is incredible. You know you're right, youyeah we're now in m. What used to be my garage, which is now a recording studio of sorts, beautiful,airord and h yeah. It's been really cool and and Yeah we did O r. Our Live facebothing from here too, and it's a cool it's a multiuse of space. Obviously podChass have done already a ton of music in here Y, ah and now alive stuff. Sothat's great? U Yeah! It's awesome! So let's talk about songwriting 'cause meand you have written. I don't even know how many songs six so much. Well, then there was that one yeah.Well, we KINDO SE owing too right, yeah, yeah yeah. No, U use Ta Song, the TermSong, I no we've written the ton of songs or Rese. Recent thing was for a moviethat you did called Little Women Mhm and not the most recent little women,though no not not the h, the Timothy Chalomey, I I I've said the one guy's name in themotwow. I played the same role: Tha TimothyShallmay Played Soi. As you know, all actors everything's about me. Soexactly you know, I'm glad I don't have to you know Danta around that. No, I started in this amazing filmcalled Little Women, Um e. You wrote most of the song but wewrode song forthe credits they had produced it, but you brought it in as the verses werepretty much done and I think men you just worked on the choruses, yeah andthey're, based on the the script, essentially like the dialogue from themovie from the Book Yeah. So was that as a songriter like easier for you todo or was it more constraining, you know H, I I found it easier. I I love writingwhen there's a m a project like a goal to go for M. I, like I write a lot ofstuff. That's just you know feelings and Oh. This is something that'simportant to me and I need to express it blah blah blah, but um yeah havingthat kind of Um a goal or like Um. What's the wordpurpose purpose, I know yeah yeah to be like okay, this. This is a song. Itneeds to be about this nd and I think music and movies just go so hand inhand ht, and I love songs than invoke visuals and, and you know, spark theimagination and all that stuff. So when you already have the movie, I mean Istart, I wrote it in a couple of nights. While we were actually unset just youknow, I I watched a scene and someone said something and I was like: Ohthat's a song lyric and then I was like Oh yeah, that's yeah. We can do that.We can make a song and then I ran by the director and the producers and theywere like. Oh, this is great and I I even remember like I was like readingsome lyrics Um on our last night of filming 'cause. I had finished theversus that time and everyone was like. You know we were crying because th we,I wasn't crying o a man. Here we go again the women, the little ones Ryeah thelittle chickss. They were all balling their eyes out, H. No, but it it was it was. It wascool to to essentially Um, especially...

...'cause. The lyrics are so important tohave the the kind of blessing of of everyone involved to be like yeah. Thisis really you know in capsulating what what the movie was to us and what it is,and the story and all that stuff. So that was really cool and then yeah. Wewe we did it again. We we banged out a awesome, H, tracking yeah. It was fun.I remember a lot of that stuff was just percussion that we're making up as wego, we're like stomped on the floor for the KICKDRUMYEA and just beating ongeneral, just stuff in the room Y H, it happend that was very fun. That wascool yeah and adding the Little Creeks and Oh yeah that Wa. That was likesteffing on your floorboards Yeah Yeah Yeah rrecording, the Flor Treenyewhichwent well with the movie 'cause, it's like a more of a modern take yeah. Imean check out little women because it's agreat story, obviously they'vethey've retold it so many times and- and thisis this one so is different, because it's it's modern day and and kind of you know, moves the story into M,something that I think is a little bit more digestible and Um, and it's cute.We made it for practically nothing and it looks beautiful. So it's cute, it'sa cute film yeah. I like it that was good hismasis to secrets, t staywas,INA, Toakissandso, t aready padncas in the tefo golden rethey sing, her so n drink, t e, thainful rain, Timon,emrin R, another Stepso, Evri she's, always Erelondon Olsamnyou alsodo another scene where you sang another song that we wrote called Beautiful Day.Oh Yeah, so you work o. You know you put two in he well H, be when I, when my friend mceain Nelsontold me about the script and them making the movie. I was like hey, youknow. Um, you know who should be. Marny is Lea Thompson and he was like. Ohthat's a great idea and I was like yeah. I have her phone number 'cause. Sheplayed my mom on television for seven years and so after we worked out that I kind of became a little a producer onthe movie Um. I think I was a co producer which anything besides justexecutive producer or producer is absolutely meaniless, but Um, you knowbeing onset. I got to like help out and- and you know it's nice when it's like-Oh hey, you guys need some music well right. I just happene to have thisguitar in this song that I wroch. What do you think about that N 'r like yeahgreat so yeah, itwas, awesome, yeah and it's interesting 'cause? If you watchthe movie, it's an acoustic version of it, but it's really like an EDM trackon the. If you IIIT's, like a dance tune. Oh the real P, the original prodproduction of it so yeah ye can h check that out on you tube too. It's a prettycool thing. It was actually a charity thing that we did for little girl'scancer and you know so when you watch the video, that's going to be the startof it. You do have the right, video y, ah defiity, he little girl whointroduces stuff and- and he made a video and made a song and it was kind.It was a cool thing. It was a cool thing Um. You know I got to meet her over video chat beforehand and talkedto her. I get to know her a little bit and then- and I wrote the song andproduced it and and then I um I actually went to seaer in Chicago andand we filmed a bunch of stuff, but after we got done filming, I was likeNo. This actually needs to be bigger and like have more people involved. SoI just had all these people sending these videos from fans to fellow actorsand other people to family and friends. Just too Um say what what made abeautiful day to them and and then yeah. I thought it was a cool yeah. It's it'sRN SA geon livinname.

We also got a song and another showthat you were on that was kind of awesome t. It was great called Switche tobirthyeah, which Um. It was an interesting experience and I kindo wanted to talkabout this in terms of like getting your your music on TV, because wevesort of got into a little situation with the music supervisor, and it was aweird thing, because the wriders were actually asking you hey, you writesongs, but the music supervisor was being sort of cut out of the loop andthat didn't make her too happy about it and not Ando it. I remember literallylike getting a phone call, don't write any more songs yet yea, but it was areal lesson for me as well, just in like the chain of command and how tonavigate something like that. I didn't have much communication with anybody C,but you were on the front lines of it. You know totally it was. It was a biglesson in humility for sure you know I mean Um, I uh, you know it's no secret, I'm not a hugepart of of the show, especially not in the beginning. I was basically just thebrother en so I would work a couple of days a week or whatever and um come inand and say my one line and be done for the day, which was a cool cool gag. Butyou know at the same time I'm always wanting to do more, and so, when yeahthe opportunity came up, I mean originally, my character was some drug dealing, gambling attics like punkand after we shot the pilot Um and the producers got to know me a littlebetter they're like Oh yeah, you do music you're a singer Um, and would you would you be Oky if tobyhad his own band and if he was a musician? I was like Oso yeah and then all like you said allthe writers got superexcited and they're pumping me up and saying yeahlike you S, you know this is great and I'm like okay cool. So we wrote a bunch of tracks and Um goodsongs. That will never be heard anybody. We should put those out, pray and yeah,and so when, when they basically said no, what doyou think you're doing you little actor boy? You E you're, supposed to memorizeyour lines and stand on your mark and say those and be quiet all of the othertimes and yeah it was kind of Um. You know I knew it wasn't personal, butit's hard not to take those things. Personal personally m, especially whenyou work so hard creatively coming up with things that are, I mean we wrotesongs that were specifically written for that band, t to sound like a highschool group of kids. You know Mormin a writing and no offence to any of theother writers who wrote songs for the the show M. before and after we hadsome good songs M, but nothing was as tailored to the story, Anto thecharacter. As what we did I mean I was literally coming from me, which youknow I had a pretty close relationship to the character, but you know that's that's the lessonyou you can't take yourself too seriously and you can't always rely onUm. You know what one person says: 'CAUSE,you know it's a whole team, there's a thereare hundred of people and h Yeah Imean we didn't even I didn't even know h the music supervisor before thathappened, and, sadly you know we kinda got off on the wrong foot. Because ofthat thing, and I think she probably thought that I was trying to you- know,come in and take over or something and so subsequently, all of the otherrecords for the the future record recordings were not bad, but you knowit could have been a lot more comfortable right right, 'cause they 'cause. Thenthey went to outside riders, but you still had to sing it yeah. Now you haveto be in the room with with folks and the big thing Wai I uncomfortable yeah,you and I wanted to write, songs and then still own the rights to them, andI think this is the the ret thing and, and you know Disney and H, Disney Aa,the ruler of the world right, you know, doesn't do things likethat. They're, like we want to own everything that goes on our shows andmovies, and- and I mean that's not always the case, but you know for forthe level of T v show that Swishe a birth was at that time. It was like nowe're going to pay a guy, a producer accession fee, essentially to write asong that he is never going to touch our own or have anything else or I everwork for Hiheyeah, which Um you know. That's a lot of people make theirliving. So it's it's not something that way. So that's not like a a bad thing,but you know coming from the artist I can ite a song. That's like reallyfrom the CARADOR RIGHT RIGHT YEAH! Then...

...you know all the suns were fine, but wedid get once o long that we tak it went on that led to anep. Yes, we you know,we shing coordinated, yeah, the sonChinepe that we coordinated to kind of come out when the show when that showaired and and that I don't know, I had a good time making it all at the house.That was so much fun. It certainly wasn't a waste and- and you know yourright songs and who knows if, if something's going to come up in in ayear from now, when everything start going again and they might need one ofthose songs and we'll have it, you know, I'm not. I don't think it's a regret, but it wasdefinitely lessening like okay find out the music supervisor for Ers, yeah andH put it in her ear is or her ear, and I remember because we wrote we wrote some songs Um during one of our haitases Um, and so Ishowed up basically like coming back to school. From summer with my CDs, I waslike handing out to the riters guys. I was really busy during my breakwrn, a bunch of songs for the Pan. I should be on the T, v show or job isdone and they're like Oh yeah. This is, I mean it was funny, because the firstt responses I got from the writers who knew nothing about how theinnerworkings of the company are. You know concerned we're like. Oh, my God.These sogs are great and it is awesome. I can't wait and then Um yeah theproduc like Um yeah, so no no an and you can stop now we in torite they laro songs, yeah. It was that was amazing, but you know, like I said we got. Oneon it was great totally is a great sog. Ra says: Pefectoer RTRINSESO. When do your start, ritingsongs, a lot like a lot of kids um started. Probably ten different garagebands. H When I was a kid all. You know basically a lot of all the same people,just switching instruments or or band titles or whatever Um. My first well,one of my first bans. I think I was twelve yeah, think it waslike eleven or twelve and Um. It was like some friends from Church and acouple of the guys in the band were home. Schooled for one of Hem was ONAT.I can't remember anyway, their moms came over to hear US rehearse to makesure that we weren't we were not playing any secular music. We had to be a Christian band. Of course we were not playing any Chris.We learned one Christian Song so that we could play it when the months cameto take hem we're rocking out on this stand way:Gosh, that's Awesot. Of course we were playing like you know, Benquin, eightytwo and Um, oh God. I can't even remember otherbands that we played but yeah like punk and and Um really bad nineties rocky but yeah. So I h there was one guy whom his names Kyle. He he he and I wrote h our first song together. I think Iwas yeah. I think I was like twelve or thirteen Um. It was called Nintendo'cause. That's that's what they always say right. What you know right- and youknow that's what I know. Soell I've played that song many times nowyeah. No,it still holds up as well. It's a crowd! FAVORITE PEOPE! Now it's like a retrothing: Yeah Yeah, at's nostalgia, right, Um, that's awesome! But Yeah! You knowit's funny. I I've poured my heart out and spent years writing uh attemptingit writing eloquent, lyrics and and the...

...most requested songs. We went about NNintendo, a free teen. That was awesome. Well, they they talkabout Bozar. In that sense, too Wewe most of the stuff. When e was youngerlike six years old, he started writing whee. So, like you, just relate to itdifferently because it's simple it's complicated, but in a in a simplechildlike way. You know what I mean: Yeah totall oN'tkno, I'm just sayingthat when I listen and intend O it reminds me of Modart, I don'tkow I should do a string Um arrangement ofit yeah thatud e, perfect, and you grew up in Springfield, Missouri Mhm. Well,with my wife, I grew up with your wife yeah. We we actually grew up in m theBoonies, which I had to to tell some British friends the other day Wat thatwas 'cause. I just set it off the cup I was like. I grew up out in the booniesand like Ahwyeah, I I wonder what that means in the British owdownaular. Istopped myself really quicko like I don't know what that could mean. Iprobably going to be bad. I as like it just means that you don't have anyneighbors and you live on a really long dirt. Road that that just kind of goeson and on until it ends at your house well m. So yeah we lived outside of atown of twenty five hundred pl. It's a super super small which was great in alot of ways. Um Freedom to run around you know, spraing, my sister with thehose in summer. You know, I guess you can do that anywhere you Ido it all the time, but uh yeah. No, it was great, but Ialways wanted, like I remember vividly being outsidein this like picturesque, you know beautiful, Oark, backwoods, you know, nkind of scenery setting and all I wanted to do was be able to walk two orseven eleven and en get a slurpy and play stick ball with some New York,kids from the Nineteen Twenties Iya. I had a really weird view of what livingin the CITYTHAT's funny yeah. I was ou the same way like I, I think you'reborn a certain way. I don't know, maybe there's probably a spectrum, but I e, Igrew up in the burbs like s as suburban as it gets, but I always wanted to bein the city always and I grew up in Coloradoo. It was near mountains andboss of Buildirg, just don't care don'o this day, don't really care yeah, I'much more happier in L A you know: Concrete Jungle, New York, Boston, youknow the college, Boston, Awesome City Y. AH and Oh man when I first got therhouse this. This is what I always dreamed O an. I never got tired of it.You know- and here I am bin L A for twenty years and still loving it yeah.No, I do too. I remember first time I was sixteen when I went to New York forthe first time and the cab went straight from. Of course, we stayed inin Time Square 'cause that that's what you do when you're in from MissouriYeah Yeah. Actually I kindo do it anymore, anyways 'cause, it's just neareverything like know: it's the cheapest hotels. You know and like you're rightnext to Broadway, and you know a all these shows- and I don't know usually,if I'm going there as a tourist, that I'm I'm just going there as a touristRighodi, I'm working then we'll stay whereever rightright no, but I soremember that moment of like stepping out of the cab and just like,seeing taking it all in and feeling that energy and the terrible smell and- and I was just like man- this is thebest thing ever Yei'm goingto- be here someday h. Sodid you originally think about going to New York or ther alway la or I really Ialways thought I was gon t to move to New York Um? I was going to work atChevys as a waiter and UH. You know you found out. You could dothat here, you're, like Oh and I can have like an apartment, that's the size of twoclosets. Instead of one exactly no but yeah. I thought it was going tobe a really longhard battle to to get my way on Broadway,but it was it was. Nothing was going to stop me kind of thing and then yeah Umyear before I graduated high school I'e visited La and Ooi was like wow. Thisplace is really cool and so much better weather M, and you know, on top of that, I w wasordering a smoothy and a guide came up to me and basically, you know, did theCinderella Discovery Story and was like Hey kid? You Got Ta, look you fol me inthe pitches and I was like well that's why I'm hereand yeah he was my manager for ten years, which Um just as crazy ininsaying that's hitting the lottery...

...yeah. Definitely I mean which Kindo ledto really hittin the lottery like how far from that was high school, musible,so uh three years, including a year of high school, soyeah W. I met him. This wis the summer bofore senior year I go back home, he'ssending me auditions and I'm like my first audition I taped at the footballfield because it was like I was playing a football player in some wherei wasAuditioni. It was, it was not even an audition. Hewas sending me a tape just to see if I could act or not but yeah. So I he was sending me moreand more and I was like look. I I can't be in student council and Choir andband, and you know, theater shows and all this stuff and focus on starting acareer in l a when I'm two thousand miles away, like l, just chill for aminute, a promised I'll come out and he he was like. Oh yeah, I'm never goingto hear from this kid again and then I graduated high school and I was likeHey I'm coming August first and he's like Whoa, okay cool. So first week Ihad UM agent meetings and signed sign oneright away: Um and yeah. Within five months. I haddone three national commercials in a movie for Disney wow. That's fast superfast and then about two. Then then the first lull happened, which was awful,but such a great learning experience m. You know, did the whole like Gottentoan accident. Had My hood of my car held on by Bungee cordsand the light was it was taped on with ducttape. I was really trying to bring the Missouri Philo so much as possible, weland then yeah about two two and a half years from when I first moved to La waswhen I booked high school musiscol and th yeah. That's when I was like. Ah OkayBlockbuster I'm not working here anymore, which is probably good 'cause.They don't exist anymore yeah. You were going to lose that job anyway, t Somananotherfor a month before I quit the district manager was like Lucas. I justwant to talk to you you're great youre, a great employee,and I see a future wot you in blockbuster no way they tried topromote me so many times and I was like no, I will not be a manager of anyblockbuster. I am a having the least amount of responsibility pom. You mighthave your own store one day. That's what he's there! Your life would havebeen e. As like. Look at me: I'm a district manager while hey nothingagainst being the district manager of of several blockbusters right back thenright, but we all know what happened yeah but they're all they don't havethose jobs either yeah. I saw my first manager, the guy who hired me in myfirst job. Well, no, I actually booked my first commercial before blockbustergot back to me. 'cause. I had three rounds of interviews for B Blockby, Ste Oe Sen in a video first, I'm going to give you my profiles and anyway yeah. I saw him a couple ofyears ago m working at bed bathan beyond and I was like Mike. Oh my God.It's me Lucas. You wired me, like you know when I was little kid atblockbuster and I could see he was like. Oh like I don't know it was kind of a sadmoment. Oh Man, I can imagine 'cause, you know he was like hey well, so everything's going well with you. Then No. I was like hey. There's nothingwrong with working at badbathand beyond. If, if you enjoy it II mean you, wereyou just hade different goals? Yeah, so I on't knowtesizes on retail, you hadother plans yeah and I never yeah. That's that's why I couldn't beanything more than ACSR H, oabsolutely. I M Ean. I think it's important to keepyouroing the ball for sure, potially Wen those oppteris that the easy onescome up. You know you'V got t no en to say no, because, especially at that age, it's like yougot nothing to lose. This is the time to be forcing yourself to struggle toto make it to to where you're going totally. I looked like I was twelve Y,so I couldn't get a fage I d with all the money in the world I so I you know I was eighteen Um, I soyou I wasn't in school, so the only friends I had were coworkers atblockbuster right and my buddy Michael Brown, who moved out with me Um, but yeah I mean there's. There wasnothing else to do, but focus on the career, ht ND. It was like every day.Wake Up. What can I do today to get...

...myself Um further? I actually didrecord my first album during that time with those long like eight inch, long,computer, Mikes, wver those leasb Mike totally and I had to like barely sing,sometimes and sing offto the BHINKSE. If you just like talk in a normal voice,it would peke no compression yet no compration and and yeah everything had to be in one.Take no adidieither, so yeah Welli have to confess something. I I love books,but I don't love reading and it it's been something that I've I've wrestledwith. Since I was a kid you kN W, I can read. I have red books but they're verytime consuming, and I've spent most of my time trying to build a music careerwhich takes a lot of time. But one thing I definitely do a lot of is drivein L, a traffic on my way to a GIG and there's a solution that combines thosetwo situations and it's called audible. Dotcom Otta has thousands of audio booktitles and you can listen offline anywhere anytime. The APP is free andcan be installed on all smartphones and tablets, and they have just a ton ofmusic related titles, like all, you need to know about the music businessby Donalis Passman, how music works by David, Byrn or music production secretsby Calvin Carter, and you can get a free thirty day trial right now, if youvisit, audible, trial, dotcom, slash, dive bar rock star, that's audible,trial, dotcom, slash dive Bar rock star, I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the dive Bar rock start podcast as a new podcast. Gettingthe word out is a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road for off the road, as the current casemay be. If you would like to support the podcast, all you got to do issubscribe wherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two, pleaseleave a review. You can also share and follow the froadcast on your socialmedia APS. Okay enough begging, I hope you're having fun and once again thankyou for listening. So then you got the highschool musicalmovies, MHM and O Themov, the first movie really I'll. Take it slower,because we met on the next phase, which was the concert toer yeah Um, but when you got that, were you sohere's a situation again where, like music is coming back, like you didn'tjust get an acting job yeah you you got triple threat job you know. was thatexciting at the time I decited to get the role? Well, I mean yes and no I I really it waslike. I said it was after Um, my first kind of lull H, not working and andreally hating working at Barkbuster and not having you know some ow when youdon't have control over your own destiny. It's just is the worst Um, but you know I told some friends and evenautumn my sister that I had this call back for this untitled high schoolmusical project and as soon as I just said, the title everyone's like Oh well,you're totally going to get it. I mean you are Mer, theater guy I was like,but I don't. Maybe that's not what I want to be. Maybe I wan to be Mser,serious actor guy or maybe funny man, Jim Carrey Guy. You know whatever Um,but I really thought that I wasn't. I grewup doing so much musical theatere. I thought well that's going to besomething that I'll do later on in New York. You don't come to La were Ishould do musicals right and but yeah once we started Um, recording the songsand learning the coreography and doing the th, the preproduction and andrehearsing it was like wow. This is such a good fit and I'm so happy to behere and yeah. It was silly and cheesy and over the top and all that stuff,but for kids yeah in its defense- and you know the thing is I, like:entertainment comes in all shapes and sizes and rightand movies. You needmovies of all different shapes and sizes to to 'cause. You never know. Weall need to be entertained to different ways different times Um and that tookme a long time to believe that with high school musical, but at the time itwas really just about the experience and the eperience was pretty amazing.Yeah Kenny was Um, Canyo, ear, Tao, cant, Yo ver take otthe direct dri term H as ae what like n times of Michael Jackson, videos likethe Newrzanidu as far back as that he dirty dancing yeah. He was like thechorographer of dirty dancing and the second unit director. He directed theparade scene in Ferrispeler's Day of...

...right and, of course, Hocuspochus and Neses mwere his two big Disney movies in the nineties Um. So it's a big deal yeahnow and- and he just his incredible talent- is rallying people andinspiring people and and he he had a way to take my cynical ass attitude, Hand just totally whip it around and and feel emotional about singing these. Youknow silly songs Right Se. They were sillyto me, but at first, but once he said dicest. This has this is not going towork unless every moment of this movie has heart and cheese. He is just cheesy,but if you have, if you're really trying to connect with people and tella story that's inspiring and that that is what translates to Real, and all ofthat you know right not that the acting was M, that real and awesome by any ofus, but that's how you know that gave itits charm yeah. It's sort of that Disney formula too. In a way you knowthey just know it's Alo. They just have a weird senseof Oh, that's, just cheesy enough, but not too cheesy right. No, I don't knowthey know their audience extremely well. N. It was extremely successful when Iheard one of the executive producers, Billboardin M who's become a goodfriend of mine. He was telling me years down the line, the story of howit got to Russia 'cause every you know it went to a lot of European countriesand and Um South American countries. First like right off the bat super easy.You know any place that loves American movies. Whatever is fine, but in Asiaand in Russia H, it just wasn't um they had a lot of resistance. 'causethey're, like you, have cheerleaders and you're you're singing about thingsthat are so American tour. Children are not going to have any connection tothat. whatsoeverighand, of course, when it became a hit in Russia. I was likeokay, that that thats something that's that's pretty thatas pretty crazy andit ended up being the number one selling album in the world that yearwow yeah, that's amazing and then the next year the number one selling oem inthe world was high school musical too sound track. She's, that's incredible!Well, obviously, somebody knows something that I don't know. Well, they had so many great h, people who I mean you know Shit. Allthe people who are writing songs on that were are we're writing for right.The you know the top pop artists at that time, so they got ome. They gotsome good people and it lent to the concert tour where I was the baseplayer, that's how we met MHMAND. That was that was amazing to me, like I, Icouldn't believe you don't know when they're like Oh t's, it's these Disney,kids and they're going to do. I they have a musical movie and they're goingto do a concert, and you just don't. I didn't know what to expect whatsoeverfrom a maid v made for cable T V, movie musical right, it's going to turn intoa cocert yeah, and I was like what it pays. What O and you know it's Ricky Minor- is th Ma,bamly eer. The Band is all guys that I knew and were just like. These guys arephenomenal players, and that was what 's fun to 'cause. We took those songsand just really did it like you know it was a live band and- and you know,tracks and stuff andhand stuff, but like some of the best players in townplaying this stuff, it just brought it to a whole different level. I Iremember the first just opening the door to the rehearsal space. The firsttime and hearing you guys play. I was just like Oh shit. This this is. This is insane. This is somethingincredible and yeah that was like best two months of my life H, an incredible time, a incredibleexperience, superlow times for sure Um. You know it's, it's weird h beingthrust into that kind of lifestyle and being on the road, and I going fo a busyeah going from twenty thousand people screaming, and you can't hear yourselftalk to the utter silence of of a bunk of a bunk n welcome to my life. I know that's h.You were also the MC the whole thing. So that was another thing that wasimpressive to me. We did wel the first torwas forty eight shows, and then wewent to South American an at stadiums after that, speaking of being hit likethen we're playing to eighty thousand people in a stadium Y and H, not onetime down there. The power went out if you remember right mm and we had tolike restart the show when it came on stage. It might havebeen, I feel like it was early on other...

...than that would it might have been Argentina or h,Chile or something, but I don't remember the exacty, but but other thanthat. The point is flaw: Liss tour like there was never any problem ever theshow went off flawlessly every night and you know that's just having I meanVanessa was eighteen having younger people. I just didn't know. I just feellike it was amazing yeah. I it blew me away, it was. It was crazy. I I devemanwas seventeen. I think Yeah Im like we got high school kids. I mean you wereolder yeah, but it was amazing, but still like none ofus had had that any any experience that would be closeto. That kind of you know experience I as arenator thatturned into a stadium tour and we had the top crewse from nine inch, nailsand Jalo and like the band members you know it was. It was a real deal like Ihad older friends of mine that came out to the show when we were in New Yorkand- and I was like you know it's for kids- it's like a high school teing. Anhe got done, he's like that's, not a kids show T at was jus phenomenalconcert, yeah what I mean. No. It was ninety minutes of just nonstop, Fun and and just yeah audiovisual. Thepiratechnics t the confedicannons yeah. We had Paul McCartney's, Lids, creenrigthat. The time was the biggest one in the world wow. I didn't even knowthat yeah yeah. That was amazing. The opening of that I mean it's. It's nerdit. It's a kid show the opening of that concert. I was jus like this. With that low rumble and thecountdown of the basketball clock and stuff it was genius t it had somereally great concert material. You know what I mean and Kenny is an amazingchoreographer and director of Film and Television. But man when he's directinga a live, show like that's when I feel like he's just unstoppable, like it'sincredible what he did with like you said you know it's like. Oh, this isit's a kid thing for you know it's musical whatever, but no it wasexciting and reallyn Um and yeah. I I H, you know mcing, it was just, I think, that's one of the the mostspecial things aboutall that I did with all the high school musical experiencesand movies and stuff was just just being able to Um. I don't know like what kid hasn't dreamt. Well,maybe a lot, but that was like my first dream was to be a rock star and to beonstage by myself, with with an amazing band behind me, and I just raised myhand with the microphone in my hand, twenty thousand people scream or eightythousand people scream. I mean th Er's, nothing Betterhayeah, Oh man, Wa dil. Iwrite home about this mom's going to fle yeah yeah yeah madeit yeah, and then we went down to the South Marn. You had to learn twodifferent languages as well. 'cause H, I celeprompters, I guess yeah yeah,there's also like all these things out could have been a disaster was justamazing yeah. I I remember the hardest part was each. You know. Each countryhas a different. You know way that they say Sirng. So sometimes it was Damazi,Cabiletos, Domazicom Camajeros, you know, lineevery every region has adifferent. You know thlike dialect and I'm like, but you know everyone knowsthat I don't actually speak Spanish and I am American and I'm clearly white andthey're like yeah. But if you do this, you are that's taking that next step isgoing to mean the world tothem exactly Anboy, were they right? That wasincredible. The the responses that we had M we had amazing ce sold out showsall across America that were very spirited, but nothing like I was downthere. No incredible, no N, just in general audiences down there they're just they still love life music.You know and Li you know stuff like that, would be in a different way thatAmericais sort of over it or I don't even know no. I, like the band, was easily one of my favoriteparts Um, you know and it it it. I think, I'm more of a musician, I'm not a realmusician, but I'm more of one than the rest of the cast Um was and so havingthat kind of backing to us gave me so much I mean I just was so pumped and Ijust about to explode every every um every show, so that was cool made it harder, though, in the bustrying to calm down right yeah, especially 'cause. I was like I think Iweighed o hundred and twenty five for four pounds. Um and I was like going nuts over thisnutritionist and like so. I wouldn't...

...like I'd, barely have a beer orwhatever. Really Oh, it's like too many calories Hoa, Really Yeah. I wasdrinking my a Imean Iwedefite, a landbus was nut. T at was just off thechain every night. Well, you know, Corbon was on my risn, you know his momwas there for the first few dates and then, since it was a new bus, it hadthat chemical smell. She was like literally Iman. Every time she got onthe bus she had this like massive Migraine, so she had to go home and hisDad David came and did the rest of the tour. So it was cool, but still it'slike Y. U O Yeah! You know what I forgot about that. Actually, the tourmanagers sat the band down. While we were rehearsing over at Sony. The finaldresser and the thing is like. Okay, here's t e deal, it's it's! NO ALCOHOLTOUR! 'CAUSE! We got kids on this thing. You guys are going to be able to drink,but I see one person given any alcohol to these kids or whatever you know it'slike it'l, be over. You know so we're like okay, 'cause, we're all kind, Owondering 'cause we're bnafiht adults like we're a our intil late thirtiesand like yeah, I'm goingto go out for two monthson a bus and I have drink. I don't think so so, but I do remember that I an we allended up drinking t, especially South America and stuff, but ah well, N R.The the security guards were on our bus as well. The girls were, like you, know,th they had to have extra room for their bags. So right we got and not notthat I'm complaining, but the security guards. It was like. Oh well, there'sroom on the guy's bus, we'll just toss hem in there yeah, but it actuallyturned out to be really fun, Um and yeah. We did. We did throw back acouple of beers, occasionally not corbon, not not no, for he turnedtwenty one right. Exactly 'cause! You shouldn't do that no yeah! I used to call it Disney afterdark one of our security guards, speaking towhich would always open the beer bottle. With his teeth. I was like that's themost badest thing Aboi and he was like six eight yeah sust. I don't know Larry.No, Oh yes, yeah! Oh Man, love Larry, huge yeah. He wasawesome dude and we got to meet mank Michael Jackson on that Toras. Well,with my Gomy mind what a crazy experience that was: yeah, Haid,Kenny's good friend, and I ewe in Vegas. It's like it was a second last show'cause. We we did Vegas and e. We had the stable center, and that was the endof that first tour, crazy and UH. We- and I also remember- and I might bewrong, but I did do a lot of drinking. So maybe I'm wrong, but it was the only show that start lateyeah. So we 'cause, we were ontom every and it was an hour and a half show andit was done. It was so much kindof cooler than other tours where you likeit forever and you never know Um, but I just remember it being like thepresident was coming and we ere holding the show and then secret service guyscome in and then Michael Jackson is three kids, you know D and we a allkind of sequestered into a dressing room. I mean we didn't get to like hangout much because I we were holding the show Ryeah. It was like great to meetyou, but then I I just remember watching him B'cause. He sat rightbehind the sound booth and they kind of cordoned it off with black curtains andstuff, and I'm just the whole show and its like. That's Michael Jacksonwatching me play o Yeah upposedly according to Kenny inspired him to do this. Is it right?No, that was crazy. I don't know what what was more nerveracking performing for the King of Pop, while wearing sequence, fedoras and-and you know, outfits obviously inspired by him- Riwhat he had done in the past or performing in front of eighty thousandpeople in in Brazil Um. Both both were just like. This will never happen again momentsand, Ah Yeah. You know you just have to take all of those mental pictures asmuch as you can and Um try to try to cherish those those times. 'cause, yeahth, that's what was so crazy highs and loads 'cause. It's like! Oh, my God. Ican't believe this is real life. Oh five seconds from now. This is notgoing to be real life anymore. I mean we're not going to continue to be rockstars for the rest of our lives right so yeah it was taying. It wasdefinitely a crazy, crazy experience. Yeah and the FANDOM was insane and justout of Control, which KINDOF rings me to just to get off the top of music. I?U Want to tell the story to the world, because it's one of my favorite stories,'cause we've hung out a lot. You know you know, but I rememr at least sixAtleast, six, an Ati. We wrote a song every time, but one of my favorite stories iswalking through Vegas and me and You...

...and autumn, and your mom, I believe andand switched at birth had just come out and it was t S. it's a show about deafpeople, essentially and, and it kind of showed deaf people in a new way and thewhole show was based around it and he were signing and stuff. But we ran intothis couple and they were both deaf and they recognized you, and I had beenaround you a lot with high school musict musical fans coming up andrecognizing you totally different situation. These people were just blownaway. It was just like. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you and like just thethe way that they expressed was weight. It was so different and it was a reallymoving thing to me and Hewas signed to him a little bit and stuff, but didthat feel like a shift? You know and the rest of the way that you interactedwith the people. You know with your fans or was that just sort of a momentin time or did you did you feel like you were doing an important show atthat point? You know Um autumns brought it up a couple of timesthat there's just something h: it's not every project that I do, but so many ofthe things that I've been lucky enough to be a part of have some sort ofspecial um thing to them and yeah. You know it always starts off the same way.I get this job. Oh it's my first T, V, Rolewell, Tha, tha that'll be cool,maybe it'll! Maybe you know doing it wasn't my first pilot. The first pilotI did was a Dav dkelly pilot. Everyone was like get your get your checkbooks ready,'cause. You know your life's about to change you're on a DA dvdkelly show andit Didt get picked up. So I was like Oh, and so you know this show came along, Ithought well, they might get picked up. Who knows, and it did maybe I'll go aseason. Maybe to who knows. You know five five seasons later, seven yearslater, we you know still going so. I yeah it Um. Having experiences like that, h arereally great, Um, markers and reminders of of you know it's just a a differentperception. Each time that I get further away from high school musical.I think about those fan, experiences and and in a different way thanobviously when it's happening D and You you know, it's a lot to kind o take inall at once and same went for switch tof birth Um at first it was like well, you know it's definitely a mixture withthe high school musical and Thi Swirc to birth. You know fans and stuff, butmeeting someone who was deaf and that I could actually communicate with rightUm for the first time in it and that that was the special thing it'slike without doing that project. Obviouslythose people it may have recognized me from high school musical, but they probwouldn't have stopped me. 'cause they're, like oh well, he's he'shearing, and you know right so I we'll just the'll just skip over that, butsince they had seen me sign on television and since it was animportant show to them, because we were, you know shedding light on the deafcommunity, which no T v show really I mean t v shows have done that, but wewe were the first television series, I believe, to have series regulars,multiple series, regulars that were deaf right and so um yeah to have that kind of interactionand and th. That's what you know makes it so important when you meet thosepeople who you know we were talking about, liveperformances as opposed to filming things earlier. It's like you have to start. I live for thosemoments because that's that live interaction that I have with people andI battle so much of my career. I have battled so much of my career withdelidity of of what I do because someoso much of the time you know youjust kind of feel like you're, a puppet or or or just you know, a silly Guidancing and it'slike, I'm not a doctor. I'm not you know, building homes forthe homeless. I'm not you know. I feel kind of Um Ri, frivolous, sometimes but meetingsomeone like that and actually getting to communicate with them in a way thatwould have never happened if it weren't for that T v shows really cool special,that's cool yeah. I totally, I think that' goes hand in hand with any sortof art it's like, especially in these times when shit gets real in the realworld, you start to feel pretty insignificant. You definitely and H. Istruggled with the same thing you know, but yeah, especially locked in in uh in your house. It's like H, yeah, I don't know. I don't think I want to go t that dark.Actually understood well, Hey, there's I mean we were doingso good. I know,...

...but hey we're both dark people h. We have dark moments and and that Ithink everybody has dark moments. That's that's just like. What's Icreative people in US also sort of IT forces us to explore, or to I don'tknow, we pay attention to darkness differently than I think people thataren't creative or don't make art or don't you know W it's sort of what weuse to to make. What we make right. You haveto have a relationship with it which keeps you close to it. When the world is handing you extradoses of it, it's hard to know when to put it away exactly. No, unless youassociate Bot right n yeah, then you don't have to be an artist.You could just live in that dark place. Yeah. I don't even think you know thatR dark right yeah. I don't think you think that it's dark yeah. It's likethere is no emotion to anything GOTAL, you know! But U Well! That was a great thing to end on.I I know we're getting dooars. The A and how do I pull this out of thisyou're, really trying my skills? Well, the other thing that I thought just togo back to high scool musical, and I didn't want to talk this much about it,but I'll tell you the time flies so fast too, when you get into this. Butthe other thing that you had brought up too is like when we did that Tor wewere, you know, fifteen to twenty thousandkids a night, their first concert. Ah You know so n the whole generation ofpeople saw us as their first concert. You know. So that's that's prettyimportant too. I forgot about that yeah that was really cool, meeting kidsat the meat and greed or or h out by the bus after the shows and yeahhearing them being like Um. That was my first concert ever and itwas so cool and I can't really bu meet any right now. Yeah Yeah. That wasreally special. As long as the parents kept their mouthshut, it was great yeah yeah. I hear ere, definitely the worst yeah whenthey feel justified because it's their kids. They were the fan, they probablywould have been better behaved, but thy'r they're doing it for their kid.Well, just watching people just just have the the worst behavior as anexample for their kid, but they're doing it for their Kid Ey W. can wejust get one autogram? It's for my kid. You know, like Ah Yeah T it's a trip and then you look atthe kid and and they're mortified and they're like now mom. Please get meaway from here, ial, I'm so embarrassed, and I even if I get that autograph I'mgoing to hate you forever. No, there is one great story that I II've told a few times that I remember on. We ended the show Wi H, we're allin thiss together the confeti cannons go, and then we do one more chorus andeveryone's singing and you know dancing together and looking out in the crowd.There was a guy with his daughter on his shoulders and she's, just sitngingalong having the greatest time ever and tears are streaming down from his faceand it was like that was one of those special moments like man. That's reallycool that he's having that y. You just got like a little window into theirlife and it was like. Oh that's, cool th t they're having that moment thatthe going to have forever- and you know, yeah and that's important FatherDaughter d moments- are cute an in a way. It's it's more important becauseit's for kids yeah, you know it's not just punk rock for a bunch of rebels or,like you know, which you know you could argue any ofit's important, but you can also argue it argue that none of it is yeah.Definitely, of course all I wanted when you know when we were doing it was God,if, if only I was singing songs that I had written about, you know the darkestmoments of my life te Wewere singing along to those lyrics right, then itwould have been amazing, telbrow yeah. That was incredible yeah and I had theother. The same. I've told the story abouts too, but like standing on the stage out eight thouas people thinking.Well, I'm not playing here with Madonna or Eltin John, but this is it ais what they do. This isthe life that they lead m. This is I've made it. You know like it was Yor inlevel. You know like it was. It was special in his own wayand like you're, totally right. Looking back now, it's like well, that waspretty cool yeah. It was I I will always H. Look back on that fondly Imean you know. Even the tough times in the darkmoments taught me so much about myself and H. You know. Definitely it's one of the things that made thecast and I so close, and even if we bickered or whatever Wer weare a family we always will be, and you know to go through an experience likethat. That's just so crazy with a group of people that I would never pick out on the street and say yeah.The six of us should be friends right...

...yeah. It was like Oh wow yeah. This is thisis something t at. We will always share E H, Oh man, I I talk about it a lotbecause I was Kicamazui for twelve years and we used to go o EasternEastern Europe Mor Siberia, literally into Siberia, riding on buses, withbarely any heat and like, but you get back and you look at your bandmates andit's like coming back from war yeah, you know it's not. I DI't didn't lose alimb or see anybody die, but it's you know it's a bonding experience that youcan't get anywhere else and like Ou said I don't you know s. You know I wasa musical diactor, so I got to choose a little bit of of who was going to be onthose tors, but you don not you know I it's your job you're going to go outwith these people and whether you like 'em or not, it doesn't really matteryou're going to have to get through this d. You know and you end up beingso bonded yeah. It's interesting. The adventure, YeahYeah crazier Um Wellthis, has been an absolutely fabulous talk. Man thanksere was so much more on my list, but you know it we're GOINGTO CI Tog toGuch. How would you live off? The street come over Knowwho evirsode done,but I didn't feel like this was an interview at all. I feel like this iswhat I mean we were doing this last week. Just we get into a room sometimesand talking to microphones at each other. So that's the beauty of owning the gear yeah. No, I love it. I I thank you somuch for having a d. This is great. Well, I hope you enjoy that. I reallyhad a good time talking to Lucas Grabille, what a cool guy he is, and Ireally liked his blockbuster story talking about how you know he wasoffered this management position. You know many times and the future atblockbuster, but he kept his eye on the ball and he kept, and he said no tothose things that were going to distract him an in a way tha easy moneyhe was already in. He could have done that and to look into the eyes of LosAngeles and try to have an acting career. It's it can be pretty dauntingnd when someone hands you an offer, sometimes it's tempting to take, but hewouldn't be where he is today. Obviously, if he had taken that offer.So it's a good thing to keep in mind if you're GON NA attempt a career and music, especiallyin Los Angeles, you got to keep your ouning the ball and he also mentionedthat he's not a real musician and I think what he means by that is likethis: Isn't his total living and he hasn't studied music. But let me set your mind at ease, he's verytalented and he's he plays guitar and keyboards and and a bit of drums, andhe sings and writes songs and he's a super, talented musician because he'snot a professional, and I respect that that he he' sort of that he doesn'tcall himself a musician all the time Um, because you know he's he's seen guysthat really are great players as well and have spent their whole lifestudying music and e, and he has some respect for that as well. So I thoughtthat was pretty cool of him, but I also thought that it's worth mentioning incase you're, like no locause, you are a real musician and I think it's boutdefinition. He definitely plays music. He plays it at at a fairly high leveland he also respects the fact that otherpeople dedicate their lives to being the best musicians that they possiblycan. So. The videos that I mentioned that he did for prime time was for theDisney sing long that aired on April sixteenth on ABC where they had a highschool musical reunion. As most of you know, because I'm sure you all tuned into watch that the little women movie that he was in it came out in twothousand and eighteen and it was directed by Claire Neeterproom, socheck that out and switched at birth. The show that he was on is not goingany longer. It kind of sounds like T it was by that interview, but it lastaired on January thirty, first, two thousand and seventeen and lastly, thehigh school musical sound track was the best selling TV sound track of twothousand and six and the high school musical. Two soundtrack was the bestselling album of two thousand and seven, and this is all according to wicipedia.So you can take that with a grain of salt. Well, I hope you guys had a good time. Wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to Sta nformed of new episodes live events andGeneral News, please go to dive bar rock str. DOTCOM and sign up for themalist, if you have any questions, comments, corrections or complaintsabout anything you hear on the show. Please email me at fan: mail at Divebar,Rockstar DOTCOM and you may even end up on the show we at the Diebar Rock Starpodcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember. It'sall about dreams.

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