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Episode 11 · 1 year ago

Loren Gold- Everybody Makes Mistakes (The Who, Hillary Duff)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Keyboardist, songwriter, musical director, Loren Gold, talks about his time as musical director for Hillary Duff, Demi Levato, Selena Gomez and more. He recalls his audition for Roger Daltrey and how that eventually lead to his current job, keyboardist for The Who. He explains how he recorded his second record on a laptop and how he wrote two instructional books. Loren reveals his long time love of the bay area and for the San Francisco Giants. He also gives some free golf tips.

Loren Gold on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/29yur1VaVHx6TJuE33Xv1h?si=olLPT2GvQzm1ch8WewkqJQ

Taylor Hicks Live:

https://youtu.be/6EMWyw4o2bs

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...and yes, a pitching wedge and a putterI play with people that don't never take the driver out yeah. I'm workingmy way up to that in fact, thit's a really good thing to do. You know theysay h. The best approach of friend of mineis really good. Golfer he's, like you, start with the shortgame, and you start with your pime. You just work on your pudding and youliterally work backwards. Yeah, Yot Pot potpotpot just do that for weeks, thenpick up Y ur, your you know your sandwich and then just red driveris.The last thing you want to be doing like Y, you don't Wantto, be out therejust trying to crush it at the range all the time. You know it's fun, butit's not going to do you any good yeah and Ithink I feel like because we're musicians and we deal with like littlemovements. My short game's, a lot better like the potter is h good. Youknow if you have a good short gain, you're going to beat all your friends right may tell you that right now, yeahwell, yea we'll see I mean if it takes you. If you still takes you, you knowfour spots to get near the green, then you know you're not doing it any better,but some wer yeah the long chots, but I feel like Ot Issi'm. U Know I'm used to.U Know, I think it's a kind of a music thing. You know like Piana, it'ssubtlety, you know he not much subtlety about driving aball. You know twohundred yards. No, so I'm not! I don't know. I think it's not in my nature,right right, right, right, Ou, well, you'll get there. I love it yeah. So,on the topic of music, I think your first big GIG was hilary dugh right,pretty much yeah. That was the first big, proper tor, you know playingarenas and that that whole thing and how d? How did that come about Um? Ijust got it wasn't really an audition Um. I was just asked, I think, theewere theguy was putting a band together and H. I was just kind of asked I' just comeoff from a Prev another. I did a pop artist before that played with UmTiffany. Remember her and then loaned from there to. I was just kind of asked. I I thinkthey just. It was one of these. It wasn't an audition, but they justinterviewed a lot of people. Gos More. You know one on one talking to you,'cause you're dealing with a really young artist at who who was a veryyoung artist at the time there wasn't really. You know everyoneh, Kindo came came into the circle when they werelooking at people could play so that wasn't really you know right. It wasn't like o. Weneed to hear you do your all your scales, you know it was just like right.We know your track record. You can play obviously, but we we want to talk toyou right right, 'cause. She was fifteen and a half when we started wow.I was she sine signed already. He was signed to Hollowood records, Yeah YeahGod did you enjoy that I loved it yeah I really loved it. She was jhust. Youknow she was great, just loved interacting with her band and Super Fun. Sh S just had a great time aaget. It was amazing just to be thrown into such a huge hysteria. I mean it was the shrieking t e the girls Ratin Age,girls and Het's, just girls and their mothers. You know it was just t it washysteria. Yeah, you know, yeah. I was and you PA part of that Yeah Yeah. Idid a high school musicaltorpro a little but um, but yeah Rightaroun thesame time right, not much. L Not much late, a a few years later. Yeah. Ithink you h 've been doing it a couple of years before I got kind of into thewhole Disney circuit there at the time. You know which was awesome, work forfor a long time. Right right and did you, you eventually became themusical director I did yeah. I did eventually become a metaldirector and H and it continued it was great and whatwas a as like being ind y? Well, you know becoming themd both great I mean Idon't know, I don't know what, if be as a keyboard player, I ma entes NDS com,not necessarily keyboardplayer, but it felt very sometime. It Wa you're, aguitar player Drummer, but as a keyboard player felt very natural right,um, obviously from a musical standpoint, but I was kindo used to. I was MD, anthe previous gig before hilary and I'm just kind of used to it. You knowworking with the artist and and having that professional relationship andworking with the other musician. So it was Um. You know you that was the first. You know you knowon that scale. It was a big big gig to be an MD at the time. So thisdefinitely, you know I learned a lot in a very short period of time and was that something intentional likewhen you've sort of came to l a and did...

...you always have your sigt sed on I'mnot just going to be the backup guy, but I'm gonna. I want to be a musicaldirector. It wasn't something I sought after you know. I I thought out. Ishould say it: it just kind of happened. Naturally, so you know when I firstcame to La I was with an original band and- and we did all that and then yeahthe band breaks up as soon as you've moved to l a like didn't like it happens. Yeah, let's go to l a OK great. I hateyou all igt see a makeer break, citty yeah it I right, but I stuck it out and h yeah. I didn't.I didn't dream of becoming a music director. It just happened justorganically and I was happy to do it an I love it. I love working with theartists. You know e just D, slightly more involved alittle more part of it. Yeah absolutelbut. I love just you know somegigs that you're happy to just take a backseat and play your part. You know,sometimes I just a great place to be. It really is yeah itdepends on on theartist too. It sometimes td be quite stressful and turn you out. Just it completelydepends on the artist 's, so true yeah, and you also did like Salina Gomez andDemi lavado yeah th E. I was M D on those. I I put the band together for right when they first started Bot,Demi and Selina, they were just coming off their their shows Um, and that wasfun that was really building it from the ground up working with the parentsand cattlcall auditions M, and that was interesting because I I basically Iwasn't playing so I was just removing myself and and h trying to get the right players.You know for the for the for each artist, which is an interesting process.'cause you'd, sometimes you'd get some amazing players, but they you knew they weren't rightright. In terms of you know, personality or you know, working withsomeone very young and high profiles. Like you know, you gotto make sure thesepeople aren't going to cross the line righ and behave and be professional.It's it's a lot to ask you KNO A lot of time. The M the musicianship is is great, so many people have that but white personality, you know yeah and you're. Basically,you know living with with other people when you're onot in in n in a artistproby. I don't know what, with the circumstances at that point in hercareer, was she on the same bus or was she with the band alot or was sheseparated with the ban? A lot yeah absolutely got to have people that knowhow to deal with an artist absolutely respectful and it's it's yeah and and it's you reallyhave to read people yeah well yeah, and then you actually, you put the Aon theGother for Jordan Preitt as well. I remember O that's right, yeah 'cause, Iforgot about Jordan yeah and she was actually the opening axber the highschool musical tour. That's right! She was a great singer: Yeah, unbelievableyeah, really good yeah forgot. I did dauditions for thatas well. Yeah. It was a great man, is kind. Do you like it better not beingin the band seem like it C, be more fun, just beingMD yeah yeah, I it was, is a lotified but sometimes Um. There there'LD bemoments where I'd be like you know. If it was like a really great song or youknow, Bi a really good tour and like thit could be fun to be out there butyeah for for those artists. It didn't yeah. I I didn't really want to hit hitthe road with them, but Um. I just I really enjoyed being behind the scenes.yeahlike a proud dad. You know Istlenic there they go, I think, and en yeahwith Selina and Demi you know the response was on. The band wasdisoverwhelming, I mean it was really. I felfel fel good about that. That's awesome, yeah yeah, it seemslike you'd, be able to get a better perspective too 'cause you, you canabsolutely. I can like listen to stuff. It's so true. You can you just sit backand- and you can also you know it- a big part of creating this sound. Youknow it's like okay, I have the record. I have the the rough nixes re Weneed to strike a nice balance here of likewhat's on that record and what we're going to play so sitting. You knowstanding out front and really listening, and you know wit your ears open. It's likeyou say it's it's it's harder to do when you're trying to bring yourself musically intoit and Tryand D. do your parts- and soI've done that too. But it's it is nice.

I just sit back and say: okay, that'sgood! That's good! That's good! That's good! O, like that yeah well like like,like I said, I did the high school musical toher and it's j s aninteresting story. Rcky minor was the the mty on that and he was right. Thesame kind of thing where you know the BA. He put the band together and hedidn't go on the road but H he was earing it, but it's interesting. Soonly because so you had called me to do. noaudition with Taylor Hicks for sailor,Hicks that you were eding atte time, and I was like Oh man. This is great its, Goin to be awesome, and I can't Waigh Gonto, be I'm learing in thetunes, I'm learning the songs, an and Hen Li e, eight thirty. At night, thenight before I get a call from my friend Chad, right, drummer, yeahand he's like Shat. I'm doing this high school musical thing with Regie, minorand and the baseplayers just dropped out, dropoff the CDU right now you're going to meet with Rickie at nine M and I'm like, Oh man, okayi was well. Ihave a year audition at nine thirty. You know I mean so I'm like okay, Wwhatever you know so I go. I get there at nine. I sa I'll set up ready to go,reike doesn't show Rick, he doesn't show up, and it's literally across thehall it's center staging. You know so and then at nine twenty four he showsup. I playd two songs he's like you sound great man. You got the GIG.If you want it, you know 'cause they were in rehearsals already and theywere like. Oh, my God knew e got like two months tour and then you know maything so so I'm like that's great, but can I just run across the hall'causeIto like ten minutes ago, and so I don't know, I always felt a littlebad about that. But it's like a funny thing how this olthing work. So I ranover to Yeadis, I'm like sorry dude. I just got this Gig and you know I thinkI'm just going to take it 'cause it's. You know. I think at the time tailor.Hiks just had some T v stuff and- and it wasn't gon to you, know assuming Iwould have gotten the GIG anyways you know, but but anyway I do appreciate that call. You really scirred me that day I wantto say IV FEL bad for years. You know, as youshould, if I remember correctly, W we're jokingof courselesseners F. I remember correctly. We were so backed up on audition times.If your call was nine thirty it I probably would have been ten fifteen. AAyou probabl still would have been waiting h. You made the right, desision Asyn M.I think we were we were. We were starting with TV, stuff Um withtailor, which was great. I mean we did all the big sh tonight show and good morning Amerigan. We we did ton USup and then we oo we went on the road m and that I think the roadband was waskind o condensed a bit. It seemed like that was a really fun gig. He he wasthe cool American idol winner because he seemed to have a lot of sort of bar band vibe in him. You know he waslike a jam guy and which was another bumber for me Whi. I was looking soforward to it because that's kind of where I was well, you know I'm like. OhI'm totally going to hit it off with this Tu yeah. It was, I learned a lotfrom him and m. You know we. We were both fans of the music in the seventies,sixties and seventies and UH. He was always turning beyond to songs.I just you know, I didn't know like Ho'd,bring up a ban, Morrisond song and I'm like I've, never heard this song and Um,but he loved to jam hats, Celo Esaw it s is like. What's to let's do it Jerry Rafferdy tune, I'mlike wow great, you know he just and every night it itwas a jamband. I mean you, I take Solos and it was completely free, no and great musicians. GRAT ban W. Wehad a good time. He would just go off and think about Taylor. I don't think theTV captured it, but he's got a great boys, yeah and supersoful, and he playsat Hart. I mean he's, he's a monster, he e's a real talent, talent and that'sjust the dream, Gig in a way where you get to play, and it's still a pop thing,and you know yeah play N D and H, you know play you, know jam it's, it was. It wasa lot of fun and, and you wrote songs with him as well. I wrote a song forhim. I I corote a song with old partner of mine and we wrote the first song onhis record to run around, so that was the song we were playing on. The T Vshow so not only was you know, he had just won American idol, which was a bigthing at the time I mean we would get out O he would get out of a car woedget out of car step on th o on the street, and peoplewere just like. Oh my God tailor. Hick I mean everybody was watching American.I had IDL, so he was mad. He was huge Um, so we were doing the run around onthe tonight show, and you know...

...you know the view what all the allthese shows, and it was my song. It was really it was. It was a great moment.That's amazing, O I'll, never forget it, and even in songs for quite a fewpeople, I have what he got there, there's more. Why you talk about yourSong Rigt? I deny it. So are you more of like a lyric wrideror mostly the music wrider or ho? How do you approach song? I'm? Definitelythe music guy an so I'll sit down for that song. For example, I wrote themusic for the tiritic Song in literally one pass. It just came out of me themelody and the cords and everything, and then my friend heard it and Um he put lyrics to it. t t the genius hewas Um and that was it so N. I wrote a lot ofsongs like that, but I I'm definitely the the musicguyand. Have you collaborated with artists as well? I have I have some it Um. I I would say most of my collaborations have justbeen with other other riders or singer Song.Raiders Um. I haven't really collaborated with any of the people. I've I've workedprofessionally with or toward what I should say got you yeah. I've Kindodone my own Fang. With with different writers. I haven't written with h with Roger Kennyloggins or any of thosepeople yet, but well we all have dreams. That's right!You Egon to have goals even this far down in the career, yeah yea, yeah yeah.Well, speak of that you went on from there to Rodyo Dawtrey, I mean there's,probably some gigs in between, but the next I ear 'cause. I think I auditioned,maybe at the same time that you did, I didn't get the GIG. Obviously, but L Ididn't know you audition. No, you were definitely not in the same time with me.Okay, maybe it was o years later. Well, that's true, because they wereadditionaly, keeboard players, so 'cause. I remember I would haveremembered it if you were there with me with two thousand nd nine is when Istarted with Roger got. You must have been before that then maybe maybe et's a something beforethat yeah. So how did you so? My audition was amazing because I was Ibasically ou to jam with Roger Daltra in Simontownsan for an hour you knowyeah. Is it Kindof the same, exactly the same thing, yeah and maybe Proaowas the same same period. Then it might have beename time I feel like it was. It was over the course of a few different days.Yeah. It was like three days. You probably did it a different day: that'sprobably what it was yeah. It was like a different time or something yeah. Iknow because I got there and I was in the waiting room or whatever I it wasover it. It was at third UNCLEAMAR third oncar yeah yeah and he had comeout to, I don't know, use the restroom or something, and so he was L ke. Oh,hey, how's! You got an introduced to everybody that was waiting and he waslike yeah these guys. They got me singing eight hours a day, Doing Thi,you know, and he was just so real and so di now hes gried. U is seemed likesuch a cool guy know was that was that how he was to work with Pretty Much Al?Absolutely he just he loves to sing and HE LOVES TO HAVE FUN N. He doesn't takethings seriously. He loves it. When musicians, you know are human and youknow if make weird sounds or a mistake, or sohe just he loves that. Oh Wow. I know it s, it's wild, it doesn't really happen but WH. Ifsomething, if there's some glitch, it makes them so happy gosh. I know it's funny. I love it.It's kind o great 'cause. It just takes the pressure off right. You probablyplay better when someone's not...

...constantly on you about making yeah.You know, I mean literally every time we before we walk on Stageit's likelet's have a good laugh. Oh Man, an IT's just like! Oh that's! So that's sowonderful! You know yeah, that's just the best! No, and even the auditionfelt that way too. Who was just really? It felt likhe enjoyed music yeah stilla d when you you never know when you get in a room with somebody that oldand who's been doing it. For that long, you know, are they going to be thebitter crusty, guy or Theyya? You know I saw the I was fortunate up to. I havea friend who worked for the rolling stones, so I saw those guys a few yearsback at the H. where was it th at the o, the whis Parto Oana, HenryFonda theoter play the Fonte theater an the Fono, the right before a Tur Staron o know, and they did a little video thing I and thee's like hey. We needgood, looking couples, so you and your wife come down and we were, like youknow his standing room yeah. He there was acouple of girls standing in front of me and it was the rolling stones yeah,that's Pretty Damn Col yeah, it was insane, but but I was struck by how much fun they look like they're.Still having you know, you're like you've played this song. I don't evenknow how many times yeah the first time they played satisfaction. They were intheir early twenties here they are in their seventies and they still looklike they can't wait to play it again. They were great when we did desert tripUm years ago. I was in the pit watching hem up close like that, and it's justlike you say I mean I mean my God nick just delivers and they they all they'reall just having such a great time. Let Hem or hate 'em. You know, they're.They are having a great time and they're they're playing those songslike they're not going through the motions they they really love. Itthey're smiling they're relaxed, they're yeah and I they're all greatand I'm more of a beetles fan too lot of people more your either beetles or aStonesfam. But after seeing them it just watching. Mick live hey're like Oh. Itotally get it like. How do you? You can't even explain the O sing thestones, a e t closest it's. It's amazing yeah hold no respect when I sawhim that close yeah and great songs, I mean Wel Ofcou h Av, whom I of coursethethee one of the greatest bans that e ever lived, but I know so you're playing with RogerDalltrey and that that was all awesome and Um now you're in the hoo, so w wh whathappened there? I just you know, paid somebody twenty bucks and I was in th. That's all it was twenty flove.That's it yeah wow. What would it have concribed? The super cast me just to get the O Roger DalltryGig. I shouldm. I mean I've been playing with Roger for a few years and then yeah, twothousand and twelve Um I was asked. I was asked to join, Imean, were there was a they were going to go out and do Quadrupania, Um and Um Roger said I waning to be in the HO. It was litrlike that. Wow I mean then yeah you're you're ordered to be in the Ho by Rogera yeah, that's Kindo cool yeah. It was great Um, so it was literally yeah. You couldn't ask for a better wayto be a part of it and UH and P. You know peded her talked to Simon and youknow everyone said Morin's a guy, and so it's just a Goo. At that point, it'sa question of Um making sure peat was happy and- andthere was never a problem and you you told me a story about helping with thesuperbowl show. I think I did that's kind. That was my first. You know step into the world of the Hoo Um, soSimon and I went down to Florida, atter the end of ouradultery, tour and Um worked on editing the show togetherbasic the superbowl half time show Um. I had my laptop and I was cutting upprotool in procels Um all the songs, but I think they wanted to do. I, and I was while we were on tourRoger- and I were talking, you know, were doing train rides through the UKand and Roger and iwould be sitting next to each other N. my laptop and I'dsay why don't we try this? You know go from here to hear, and you know he'dsay I want to do this, so it it was just a lot of back and forth betweenthe two of us and then eventually Si Simon, and I just you know, went downto Florida and we h made sure it all was all seemless and and had you been asked to do the Ho.Yet at that point or mm no, so that kind of bad. I do yeah, I think so tere was. It was right around that time.

It's a really good question. I reallyhave to think about that. I don't think so. It may have been it may have beencoming like like you could sense that it was. It was going to happen andmaybe I think, Roger had planted a seed or management or something like that. Ireally I don't really don't remember to be honest. Well, but not only are yousort of working way into the Hoo you'R Youre you're you're, designing the superbowlshow for that yea, that's a pretty big KIG. It was pretty cool, it was prettycool and I it was fun like putting you know, little things f from transitioning fromone song to the to the next and when I heard him play it like. Oh that's,great all worked out so Pete Dounton, legendary kind of intense due ishogatly h. How has it been h? Did it take obviously Roger alreadyliked you? So? Did it take time epeat to sort of warm up to you yeah it tookit. It took it took a little bip, but not long. Youknow he was. She was very sweet and, like Ili, I got heard great things andBlah Blah Blah. We rehearsals were great Um and there'd be moments during the showwhere he'd smile at me and and everything was going, is just reallywell and then, after after a few weeks, you know after you really got to knowyou and then like any Gik. You know you know, then you're, like you knowgetting hugs and Ijsit just saw when it was very natural, a d and She was theguys not only brilliant, but he's he's very warm and really funny and reallyquick and really smart. Oh that's great and he's a genius whas. Everyone knows and he changed thesound of Pop music. He really did yeah and is he like Roger in the sense t, mistakesaren't a big deal or is it a little more? Oh, no he' he's happiness. No, hehe he's he's fine with mistakes, but there's not a lot of 'em 'causeeveryone's really on their toes right. Ofcor nobodynobody wants to make M,make Mistyeah exactly O. I hear you like mistakes, too ha man. Is it cool? If I just I make a fewmistakes. Ah theroger seems to like that no it's like, but he wants. Yeahe's got an amazing ear. Sometimeshe'll hear stuff you'r like what are you doing there and then and thenlyouknow, come over ith guitarts musical, no whole hear things, and I'm like myGod. I can't believe he you know he can hear that and no thi hearing, but justyou knowjust, the frequencies is like he knows so songs so well. Yeah! Well, he's another guy he's beenplaying 'em yeah over the years, yeah Ye- and you are you guys on inners.We are yeah he's not, but we is not as he's the only one. That's not yeah wowyeah huh. Well, and is it pretty? I would assume it's pretty loud on stage, Oh yeah, if I ever take the I mean thedrums and n n the guitar, just my God, Yeah Thet Year have to have ears right,Samouth, Roger. He absolutely loves him. Now. You know he he he wishes. Hewouldhave had him years ago, yeah ellespecially Thi, the singing thing Oit's going to affect how you sing and your voice las a lot longer yewhenyou're not having to yell over Guitaris right right. That's right! So I zaxstarky still doing it. Zag is the Guy Yeah. Owyeah e seems just incredible.Oh He's so FY funny as hell loves to laugh to, and I mean what a player and y? U He's been there so long now,he's been with the WHO, my God I mean three years, maybe yeah,probably wow, that's crazy, close to it. I know it's crazy in another part ofjust you know rock royalty. You know Beng alloutsityeah, so it's pretty must be bea, itend being surrounded by all that allthe TAT's great yeah, it's it's always great. When his dad comes around it'sjust such a thrill on, were you Ahoo Fan as well as good,Oh yeah? Absolutely I who's next and medy bed, big and Bouncy, and you know I was a big hoof fan. I thatgrowin up, I had older sibling. So I just listened to the Beatles for numberone Um there w drove me to become a musician,but then, after that it was the kinks the who the stones you know not in that order,but those are th. Those are the bants. I was listening to that old, classicrock it's Gotto feel good 've got Ta, feel like you made it yeah. AbsolutelyI feel like it's. When you know I've...

...had a chance to play with some on myheros as well, and it's like there's such a different feeling than playingwith the latest greatest artist who's out right now. It's like you might bemaking a bunch of money and in front of big crowds, but then you could makelesser money and you know right. I play with your hero and it's it's adifferent feeling of like wow. You know I sow diffrent. I've done somethingwith my life yeah. Oh I've done. I I've D played with people. Just youknow heroes like that. Just 'cause! You just want to you. Don't you don'tcare where the GIG is or what it pays? Or's like you're playing with someonethat inspired you so much. You know yeah, like you want to be around that yeah. So I mean you want both really iswhat you want and you want both on a regular basis.That's right consist consistently right. Well, you guys were supposed to be outthis summer right yeah we were, we were leaving H, see. I got the call thattourist cancelled the day before I was going to head to the airport to fly toEngland: Oh wow yeah. So that was such a shame and do you do they like torehearse a lot before a touor? No, they do not Um, but in this case Um the tourthat we were on. It was with an orchestra and it was ery intense, so a little more rehearseing than usual'cause when you're playing just the hits mm. There is a you know b. You ow, like you were saying they justknow these songs. So well. There's no reason to to rehearse youknow and they they don't like to it. Just it Kindo kills the vibe. You know they igtte just goout there and play it and if they crash they crash, you know it's just so rock and Roe. I just loveit t's, so fun. I Know Right, Oh wow! So did you rehear? Did you reers a lotwhen you got the GIG or was it like th you were just thrown into the fire. Wedid yeah 'cause it was. It was all that was all new and there was time toprepare Um. There was a lot of vocals. We were doing that that they didn't have e. One of the thingRoger really likes is is h. You know we can SI. We sing a lot inhis band, so you want to bring more of those vocals in with the WHO Erso I wasable to contribute there. So there's a lot of vocal ehersals andH. Just I think, just reshaping it 'cause. Itwas a new band right and when the first tore was quadrophenias t et was it wasa lot to take on yeah, that's really really intense. So I have to ask 'cause I'm a basesplayer, but when you first got on it wasn't Pino still, Kewas Yeah Pina wasstill doing it. So how was it working with Pino that Gusall Legion, thelegend Yeah Great? You know Um and not a guy that I would have first picked for the HOO. You know,like he's kind of mostly you know, gotpretty famously known for his. You know his fretless stuff or less work yeah.It was just so delicate, and so that's who I heard he got the Hoo Gal wow,that's yeah how I think Pete had used Hem a lot on his sola records. God, youo like give blood and some of those driving songs. You know, I think e. He he's always been pde go to guy,go o willies fam and everything he does is fantastic. That was one of the my takeaways fromthe Roger Audition. Actually it was that I ki before that I was playing R mb,I'm a smooth, jazzguy right, no chops jazz, and then I went into that audition and you know I learned the songs I'definitely a homework doer. I was very as we all are, but just the ton after pl I got to mygeneration in those Bas Solos you know and and they're. So not you know. Baseask really. You know ant Waso sucha guitar player in the Way Guitar Player, right, O and so aggressive, andthe tone is not what not not R nd b whatsoever, and I just it was really. Iwent home thinking. Not only am I not the right guy forthis gig right, this Kend, a lot of people said that after thatOnthis Shoyeah, but I hear, but I wasn't a rock guy at all, and you knowthis is kind of my first. You know I mean I beterwen up and I did coverbands and all that stuff, but sure to be right in the midst of it. It waslike yeah. This is not I I have some practicing to do. You know there' a awhole other part of the world that I've sort of pushed aside, because I was ajazz snob. You know right and then one desert thing. You know it Sou, it'scool, but I I know what you mean ant whistle. I mean just a monster. Oh my God, you listen.Do you ever listen to those base? facelines like isolated yea, and it's I mean it. It's an acquired taste in away because by itself as a Baseplayer,...

I listend to the tone- and I'm justlike. I don't know D that I like that I would cd it so perfect for Theho yeah,but you put it in the mix and you put it in with all those others, thoseother energies and it's you know I mean. Obviously itchanged change the world that sound, absolutely Oh, pretty cooler, thenwe're so unique and such strong personalities yeah. So what was it like? The first time youplayed Royal Albert Hall- Oh couldn't believe I did that with Roger and H. I was just like this, like I felt likea kid like wow, you know it's just historic, eventhough I was grirnman tit's, just majestic you're standing onthat stage and and couple of the rual guys were telling mestories and like where the Queens box es and yeah. You know this is wher.Jimmi page has a box there and just on and on, and you think about it- I meaneveryone's played there. You know Yeah Gosh, so that was that was a big thatwas a big deal and we played theire Knik a Er a bunch of times. So it'sjust like go yer. We are they're like not again o this whole place, yeah exactly wowand now you're a part of history. That's pretty that's pretty awesome andI love it. It's it's a that's. I love. I love England. I Love Albert Hall. I have to confess something I I lovebooks, but I don't love reading and it it's been something that I've I'vewrestled with. Since I was a kid you kN W, I can read. I have red books butthe're very time consuming, and I've spent most of my time trying to build amusic career which takes a lot of time. But one thing I definitely do a lot ofis drive in L, a traffic on my way to a GIG and there's a solution thatcombines those two situations and it's called audible. Dotcom Otta hasthousands of audiobook titles and you can listen offline anywhere anytime.The APP is free can be installed on all smartphones and tablets, and they havejust a ton of music related titles. Like all you need to know about themusic usness by Donalis, passman ow music works, my David Byrn or musicproduction secrets by Calbin Carter, and you can get a free thirty day trialright now, if you visit, audible, trial, dotcom, slash, dive bar rock star,that's audible, trial, dotcom, slash dive bar rock star, I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the dipar rocks our broadcast as a new podcast. Getting theword out is a vital part of what it takes to keep e show on the road or off the road it has their currentcase. Maybe if you would like to support the broadgast, all you got todo subscribe wherever you listen, and if yo Ha'm an extra minute or two Tese,leave a review, you can also share and follow the bodcast under social mediaAPS. Okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening. So we met through a mutual friend, JENSegel, who that's right in a band with and actually t the funny. Theinteresting part to me is that it's kindo typical of the the waythings are recorded these days whatever, but we met actually the first time Ibelieve I met you was at the photo shoot for the record that you o mythat's right. An I pla. I first met yeah and I played in Sung on the record,but we never actually met until the photoshoot, the nerving yeah, theRecord Victoria station. That's right, really great Um, really great songs,and that was fun. Re Darol Frandea we one of the first guys I met when Imoved l a so you guys didn't know each other up north. No! Isn't that funny!That's interesting! Yeah, it's from Lal South! So I'm from Palo Ato and h. Wehad so many th. I think we we even realized that we went to the same likenursery school, so funny yeah, Um s yeah. We hadsimilar taste of music and, as you know, Jean such a such a talent, so we yeahit was great and you guys coatwrote that whole record right pretty muchtherewas. I think there's a couple of songs that Jean it had before I met him that we did, but most of the songs wereco Coren. I can't Evremember what songs ended up being on the on the record,but I think most of them re were co rights yeah. You also have those twosolo albums at least on't spotify. I do it lest I checked. Those are very old, buriold albums. Iplan on putting out some some newer stuff, soon, 'cause that those are doneso long ago. So, as you know, we put...

...out music and then you're, like youknow years go by like I really need to get something newer out there right,yeah, 'cause, they're up there forever representing you, but yeah yeah. Thereason I bring hem up 'cause, I I was listening to him last night and t amazing stuff. I appreciate that M thatfirst one reflections of gold yeah just me at the piano for the most part,yeah ands, so cool ome. I was with an artist namedKacomasuifor sure twelve horse. I remember, and it reminded me a lot ofher stuff. I don't know if you had ever listened to. No, I did not know that,but se she has a snolow piano record, but she um when we played live. Therewas always a couple of songs that she would just do by herself at the piano N.isn't that great yeah, but really really great stuff um? Whowas a sex player on that? The want to say was Rodney Taylor, Oh cool coo, theengineer Um brought in he was so good yeah. I played Yono Rodney. I I played with him when Ifirst moved out here we did a couple of casuals and- and you know he had tojust kind of play t I just played that song free form at the Styne on thestineway and with the thought of my head, like allusAD of sack later, and he had he just Kinda, no click N, nothing in time andhe just wove right. In perfectly it wasbeautiful, yeah yeah that it's really great thesong someday just uh is. I think I was my favorite on that regothanks man yeah the next one was keys. I guess that was two thousand and fivethat sounds right which again a lifetime ago, and I get that on. I did that on thelaptop really me, which is like everyone does,that now b t at the time that was like, I remember, bringing in h someone to play and they're, likeamazing, you're doing this on a laptop it's like, but you know you blow 'emout and and Maxem out you can. You know why not! Oh Man, I S I was. I was onthe road a lot, so I was able to to edit drums and stuff like that on theroad it was. It was quite big Experell. I was going to askyou about the drums O. are they live theyer Li Yeah Ron Wdwick? So as adrummer you that Plat used to play in FA foreigner and Shere back on the day?God you Athey Lake, I sound rage. Yeah hat opening track is jus th theproduction Mo cool thanks yeah. I just did that on on my computer, but then you get down to saying goodbyeand that on, like just N, I had to listened to it a few times. It was justa joyed me if I, if you were to ask me before the records I would have been,you need to move that up it. Not The last. You know last trackisn't in really really really enjoyed it.Thank you. It was fun. It was fun to do th, as you know, taken on somethinglike that. It's just so much work. Yeah. It's one thing to write the songs. Youknow it's like O God is it donist Nas I hi. Now it's recorded like, Oh God,yeah gle. It felt like that was a little moresort of towards the smooth jazz can was a little bit not non intentionally.That's not! You know, that's not where I was heading by any measit. Just that was just a production that cameout of me Um. It's not like. I was influenced byanyone, particularly in smooth jazz genre, yeah I' Hav. Definitely a unique.You know what I mean not full in the in the smooth jazz bag and it's yeah'cause, there's not a jazz record by any setence right, that's Um it just it is what it is, but itdefinitely like you are right. It is more that you know it leans. That way,absolutely so did at some point. Did you think I'm going to have a career asa Sola Piano player? Was that just for...

...fun or for Licensing Inger? When youwere m? No, it is much fun, as I had with that and doing that, and I stilldo. I still write tracks like that. I just actually just did another one withmy new piano Um. I always I still wanted to you know,play in a band and play live and M. I Neverre, I mean I think there wasmoment tha moment. Wherei was like you know. If if there was anopportunity pos, maybe to do a solo pianotour, if it was really good, Iwould have done it, but it I never really pushed to makethat happen. I just I wanted to just rock a little bit more Ih ran, you know,play with other musicians and h. You know stand and you know rocked a little bit and luckily the Hoocame at the right time. Yeah 'cause, I think it's interesting like I have sortof the same career, an a sense of like I don't plee the WHO, but I play withthe country icon, nobody who's very far from the smoothjazzroots, where I kind of started, and you know you've gone from sort of popidols through a semismooth jazz. You know thing all the right. You know I ilverse, you know and a I I kind of feel proud of it and 'cause I've alwaysloved all kinds of music anhe too. To pull that off and to keep going in newdirections is tha. I love it and I love tlaying with you know, Il sometimesI'll. Do I do random gigs like I'll? Do a charity, Gig, Um, ell put together orsomething like they'e I'll, be asked t to run and Hep say with differentsingers different in different styles, I'll, do a Broadway song and then I'lldo a Stepie, wonder song and then I'll do um classic rock song, and just I like it, you know it's it. It's FUNTO MIX IT UP! ECAUSE, I'm like you like! I just like good music. You know rightL, I leva classic country, and you know Willye Nelsonand. You know you don't name it. If it'sgood, I m I'm a fan yeah and I think it helps you're playing on all your other gigsto have that absolutel adversity, you know just e the chops moving in otherdirections: Y N, W! That's right, a d! You know what how to approach each song.You know yeah or you do it so you've also written books. I've done a couple books with yourAmanof, many talentsmen, I'm trying you know frying yeah. What part of the show isabout sort of what it takes to make a living an music and you gotto be diverse. You got to hungot up, diverse yiveran income treams. You know right and H, so you've re acouple of instructional books yeah. I did two books M for alfrod music, GreatPublishing Company Um. I used to use their sheet music when Iget piano lessons and I mean they've been around forever yeah Um, so ramanace th, the head of Alfred,reached out to me about about doing h, doing a a book. We started with one. Itwas a blues book and then we did a rock boot. But you know basically it was Um. I'd say it took like what was it? Thirteen or fourteen songsI' pick different keyboard players and I would write like for the Rock Therock book I would say: I'd take like nickey Hopkins and Nelton John andBilly Preson, and I would write a little two minute piece in the style ofthose players: Oh cool right, and then I andthen I notated it out. So you get the notation and you get a littledescription about the artists and their background, and then I recorded themwith some friends and then so. When people get the book you get to hear thetracks and then it comes with software and then there's a virtual mixer andyou can s use little sliders to you know if you just want to hear the piano.If you just want to hear the base player or the guitar player or thedrums and H it, it was a lot of fun. That was a lotof work so yeah it sounds like it yeah a lot of research and a lot. You knowthinking about who you love and learning that style and right. It'slike all right guess, it's time to do wo, keep Emmerson wrest there we go so you know as good challenge and a lotof fun. I was Gr, proud of it yeah it's a great idea, yeah. It sounds like oneof those things like a podcast where it sounds like a great idea, but o you press record the amount r taks toto e it all together. Yeah. I can't imagine yeah, so you grew up in paw alto. I didTalo to California Yeah Judgou by your your facebook Postan stuff. You seem tohave a lot of pride in that and you go back there often it seems like I do. Ihave family up there, yeah...

...yeah. Obviously I'm a sports fan and Ilove H. I Lov the you know the bairy teams and Um. Then I do it. It's always. It's stillhome. You know yeah, it's always going to be home. So how have you been copingthis year without sports know? That's another major Si I knowthej Baseballisis a big one for me. So that's young that that killed me Torg. I there'snothing. I enjoy more than just you know, having a full day and then turning on the T V at night andwatching a ball game, I'm going to do that tonight. If theydon't cancel the season in the next three hours on man yeah, it's been crazy right, so yeahtalkinthe home opener was just the other day, thnd so nuts. So how do youthink this well yeah? I guess we don't even know I was GOINGTO, say I'd beshhocked. It always plays out yeah yeah. I I really would be. I think this isjust the tip of the iceberg and it's just weird, because if they do get to the end of it, youknow who's going to be left standing. And do you really give a trophy to theworld series winter right in Thi situation, 'cause most of the teams, alot of teams. Don't have you know their best players on the field rightUm, I I don't know I mean I'm really gladthey're playing B'cause. I Love Baseball. I love watching it M, but Ithink it just wasn't thought out that well well, yeah, and how do you decide thebest team out of just sixty games? Is that enough to figure out a I the besta whole another thing: it', it's just crazy and now they're.You know the Marlans are losing a week of the th the next week of of baseball.So now they're going to try to Douvle, thus up at the end and then you'regoing to have pictures doubling up and it's just not a true indication of of aworld champion at the end of the day. That's for sure, I think everyoneshould just get a participation. Trophy this year, t e Familik Tougtyou Tori,keep playing so that we can watch near all winear. Exactly that's a big middle school league now just give 'em all a ribbon and and likeyou know, and like a cup cake at the end of the year, you know D n't. I don't think it's going to playout myself. Ye Els e go baseball, though yeah M, I I met with you hape. I was limg withhe bank O boticks and I'm coring up up north at Tony Loisa's, ARF event andand Wrigt N. I run into you the air playing without n. That grade. I thinkI C, I think I call it huuls in almost the news, it wasn't a wholemand, but iright m. Hereally was in the classified section sobut. What was that like? How was thatAl Man that was great ie such a cool guy, such a cool guy and they're allgiants man? s like talking baseball, the entire time back sish. It was liketh. This is great. I'm like take me on the road baseball and a Golf Ait's like,Oh, my God, right on my alley, um, but I mean I've,always loved love, those guys and ah so much fun to play those songs yeah intheir bay area. Ban Area is O yeah, so so cool, and did you rehearse a lotwith them, or was it just just that that afternoon we just went over eachsong like once: That's cool yeah, it it w s very informal and it's justeveryones heer. Just to you know, 'cause we love Tony and just to raisemoney and Ri animals and and but everyone's on their game. We weprepared everyone prepared. There's a musicdirector Mark Ruso Great Guy, plays Saks for thedubis, and so he kind of puts it all together. Um.You know a few weeks before, like here's, the songs, we're going to dohere's, charts and h. If you need, you know, women, hes,charts and so h, he maps it out really well soeveryone kind of knows what you know. What to expect right and I know he's Huelewis- has hadprobb he with his hearing. That's right, yeah L, after that he kind of announcedthat wo may maybe the next year or something like that, NSOs, so sad tohear that yeah, it's such a drag, what an iconic voice hope he can get it back.You know in check. I hope they can play again yeah and it sounded. I I'm prettysure I checked a couple of the songs, but I fel like they were the originalkeys that night, the original the keys of the songs. OhYeah. No, I don't think we dropped yeah anything from what I remember Yeusouanything, from what I remember he he...

...sounded great yeah. I got to hang outwith hem at the bar a little bit afterwards, an Oh that was fun. It waspretty cool, it was a fun game. I loved doing that.I was so great yeah. I was so happy to see Yo there like what a nice surpriseyeah. It was awesome, yeah and- and that's why I found out you were asticks. Fan Too, that was a latelay. I was like with the Tribune band thatdoes Boston and sticks. It's a little odd, but they're great they're, flikesomeon bad. None of you guys sang Wellmy God. I was just going to saysome of the BESEST Tingers I've everarianced in one band like insane. Imean to take on a product like that. I mean yeah, yeah no tracks just no. Iknow you guys tufhes doing it, man it was. It was crazy, but are they still doing that? I I seeyeah absolutely yeah. I I had to leave big chance shortly after that, justbbecause of the dwit, the likeall came or about that O. NO AL good, we're allfriends, but you know I W. I I ad joined Hemjust a few months- a coupe I don't know. I think I joined him in November. Thatwas January and by April I was gone. So I I felt you know tit's just the wayyeah. This business works sometimes, but I had nothing but the best timeplaying with those guys super sweet, dudes and eah phenomenal. Remember wehung out. We had a a drink o at the hotel. After two e yeah yeah, it was Awson big, so you also play with Reda Wilson oncein a while, I still do yeah she's, so sweet Um. I played with her a lotrecently actually before this. Well before all this craziness we went towent to Greece and Um. We went down to Mexico, there's a bigfestival that Brandy Carlysle has every year women's women in rock. I can'tremember the actual name of the festival, but Sheryl Crow was on very cool it w s. It was a great lineup, but Gredis great yeah. She J, she just so sweet loves to Sayng Works,hard, always always working on something else,just always staying busy yeah. We had her on Ditas, a XM radio show all righton his channel and we she was owere the backup band. We all just play acousticinstruments in t in the studio you know, and so she was a guest and we that'sgreat. Did you get to talk to her at all or just Kindo playng? Not Really,but I g yeah I got to play, and so we were all you know we're all in thestudio for a good, twenty or thirty minutes, so we're all kind of workingit out, you know t seems really really really Esel swate. Isn't she yeah lovesto laugh. We laugh our ass all together and it O. I ont wer her phone rang andshe was kind of embarrassed y turned it off and then we get all done and shewas like. Oh, that was my husband. You know stretchenosuwr where I was 'cause,'cause 'cause this s. You know the show had run a little later than it wassupposed to n the whole room. I just like. We know who her husband is. We knowwhere that is that's a little crazy is surreal. When he comes around you'relike wowe right in the flash. You know right and he's hilarious. He seems likea pretty fun: Dude Super Fun, Dude Yeah, we're talking about Tom Hanks, ofcourse, for those people who don't Eayeah, yeah he's always the Guy I usein my head as like when people talk about Hollywood and actors and they'reall this and they're, all that and they're like no, I mean Tom hiks. Itotyo he's a pretty cool Tue etty fiper down to Earth, myjan quack super funny.TAWILL. Take pictures. You know he's amazing with the fan hit's like come on.Let's do it of course, teyall you know, go get 'em, you know, and it's justhe's just so much fun man, so you also were with Kenny loggins for a whiletooright yeah. That was great. I mean you really gotto be on your game, a a lot of lot of stuff going on. That's one where you wanna YEA h. He funny 'cause. He likes to hearyour ideas, though too, but he's such a pro Um great to play,live with funny funny as hell. I guy again areally smart funny, man, a a lot of vocals, a lot of singing yeah qrite,more so than any Bandan or any artist. I've been a part of wow, really cannyonand donfeler yeah for sure he's such an inspiration. I've always loved Kevi,Kenny loggins way before I got the kick and it was like I was Eah was trilledto be playing with him, and I've heard he's pretty particular about parts andstuff, but e Nol, like he changes up the arrangement. So it's not alwayslike the record. He's always changing it up, yeah O, but he is particular and he's onhisgame. Now he eight ears and you know always get sgra players. That's awesome!I don't know what I was doing there a...

...you must be worth something: 'cause,everybody makes mistakes a did. He love mistakes as well, no O, no, that so punny wow. No one ever mademistakes in that band, Itas, pretty impressive! Actually yeah he's always got the best. Even me, eveneven I even when I played right just brings it out of here- yeah,sometimes that's all you can do you just have to th you get to the end ofthe show. I mean I have nights when I can know I usually keep a tally in myhead, so Havi got Ari. If I go through a four show, a lot of times we playfour times a week, e a can have like keep it down to like two mistakes outof four shows. Then then I' then they're doing well yeah, exactly I likeit. I try not to to even give myself a mulligant on each show: R E, Pat, no nallagaint, no mulligans in in roll wellaway. It's been awesome. Talking toyou man, I di't want to take a ang you're tying to talk to you, thanks forhaving me on, and good luck with the parkcast and all that thanks man, Iappreciate it. Well, it's amazing to me that he staysso humble and cool after playing with Um. You know legendary Rockmana who,but he does he's a great guy great player, and I thought it was reallyinteresting when he was talking about having to hire musicians. For you knowthese pop artists and especially the Disney stuff but um, and he talkedabout how it's not really about the playing sometimes like we know you canplay. He just needs to make sure that you have a good attitude and you canbehave and you can work with an artist, and so I thought I talk about what thatmeans to me. As you know, from my experience working with artists and ofcourse every oust is different and it's really hard to generalize, but Ithought about some rules that are safe to follow kind of with anybody. So rellnumber one, listen, listen, listen and if or when you speak, choose your wordscarefully and don't use too many number two don't waste their time withquestions that someone else on the team can answer, don't bother them with likewhen the next gig is or what the flight schedule is. Number three remember H, t they are notyour friends and if they end up being your friend and some do o I'm friendsto this day, wit with several artists that I've worked with. But if they dobecome your friend. That means you e really lucky in you're an amazingsituation, so don't assume that it's going to be that way and don't try tomake it that way. If it's going to happen, it'll happen and number fourjust be respectful at all times. You know it's probably a good rule of thomjust for life, but especially if you're around an artist. I think it'simportant to keep a mind that generally, those that are in the artist's positionare surrounded by people that want or need something from them all the timeand that can get completely exhausting. There are legendary stories aboutprints, for example, of his team instructing people before he arrivessomewhere, not to look him in the eye and don't speak to him unless he speaksto you and o people that have never been around that world. It may seem tobe an incredibly egotistical request. You know, but when you witness a dayand a big artist life, you become aware of why one might ask for that. They, you know they're Stareng at allday long by people that want something from them, whether that be a fanwanting an autograph or members of their team needing big decisions to bemade. You know, and I'm not suggesting that they don't have awesome lives andthey they get to do things that you know the average person doesn't do, butI'm just saying that at the end of the day, no matter how incredible they arethey're, still just human beings and again every art is different. Theseare just some of the observations from my experiences and h. You know as asideman or a musical director. I want everything to be easy when they finallyget back to the fun part of their day, which is making music and performingcreativity is always hindered by stress. So part of my job is to make sure theartist is free to create, which should probably be the fifth rule, just stayout of the way. So that's just my two cents on on working with an artist. Ifyou have any other ideas, please email me at fan: mail at Divo, Rockstardotcom, and I wanted to clarify a few things. ARF stands for Animal RescueFoundation and that is baseball. Legend Tony Larusa's foundation that me andLauren played out. He played with Hubulus in the news and I was playingwith Bosticks and their record. My friend Jean and Lawren'e record, whereI met Lauren, is actually called Station Victoria, not Victoria station.I shouldhave known that h center...

...staging is a huge rehearsal, complexand Burbank, where all you know tons of big stars rehearse and that's whereauditiond both for high school musical and Rehearse for high school uas Scooland didn't make the audition for tailor hikes, which was right across the hallwhere they auditioned an ehears Um Simon Townson is Pete's brother, whoalso has his own solo stuff, and it's really great check it out and just incase you're, not a hhoo fan. Zak Tarky is actually Ringo, Star's son, whoplays drums and Pino Paladino. I don't think I mentioned his last name. Is thecurrent base player for for the WHO? So definitely, if you don't know him, he'she's just check him out as a based player, I'm a huge ban. So I hope youenjoyd this episode of the Dive Bar Rock Star podcast wow. You've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to standformed it new episodes live eventsand General News. Please go to dive Bar Rockstar, dotcom and sign up for themallinist o. You have any questions, comments, corrections or complaintsabout anything you hear on the show. Please email me at Banmail at die BarRock Starr DOTCOM and you may even end up on the show we have the Dibar rockstarpotcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember.It's all about dreams.

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