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The Dive Bar Rock Star Podcast

Episode 2 · 1 year ago

Errol Cooney- A Large Amount of Fear and a Big Smile (Stevie Wonder, Janet Jackson, Christina Aguilera)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Guitarist, Errol Cooney, talks about what it’s like to work with Janet Jackson. He talks about writing songs with Stevie Wonder and his crazy experience getting the gig. He tells the story of his audition for Christina Aguilera and others. Errol talks about his relationship with musical director Rickey Minor and how he has influenced his career. He reveals his secret to auditions and how to smile through fear. He discusses the importance of reading and some of the high pressure tv experiences he’s had in front of charts. He also talks about the joys of playing with his friends in the band Legally Blynd.

Legally Blynd

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I'd like to tell you about a brand newpodcast for my hometown of Denver. It called Mile High Music at Feter's,father and SOM musician, friends of mine, tyle and Ryan Borthick, Duler,crazy and amazing stories from them and their guests about music and musiciansfrom Colorado, mile o music, a D check it out wherever you listen to yourpodcasts, welcome to the Diebar rock star,codcast e show exploring the lives of professional musicians of all types,toury musicians, recording artists, songriders engineers, farbands weddingbands and anyone making there living in the music industry, whether you'vedreamed of being a professional or you already are one. This is the fodcastfor you on your Os air cans, and I hope that you not only find someentertainment here, but also some helpful tips, trade secrets and ideasthat will help you achieve your dreams. I am so excited to have an old friendon the podcast. Today he's an incredible guitar player, he's,probably in my top five all time, favorite guitar players. Don't pin medown on what the other four are 'cause. I don't want to get myself in trouble,but he's definitely one of my favorites he's incredible and he's had anincredible career. He currently plays with Janet Jackson, stve, Wonder PhilipPhillips from American idol and he's also played with layler halfawaybeyonsay Jamie Fox Christinaguilera, Shilae, Jessica Simpson, Raphaialsadik,Mary Mary fantasia, Queen Lativa, Andre Crouched. The lisk goes on and on he'smade, countless T V, appearances and even subbed for the tonight show bandwhen Rickie minor was the MD, so I think you're really GOINGNA enjoy theshow. I do have one note before we start that, because we're in theseweird quarantine times we can a always be in the same room together. So thesound quality of this is a little subpart 'cause. We did do this remotelyand but I think that it's audible enough. You can email me and tell mewhat your thoughts are if it's too awful, but I think the conversation wasworth putting this episode out. So I apologize but um try to enjoy thisconversation with my friend Arald Cooney. So what does Jana Jackson like to workwith she's a super easy going, and you knowsal spoken Kinda, you know Kindo, probably what you wouldexpect. I guess I in ES Super. She takes great care of us and she goes out of her way to kind ofspend time with everybody to talk to everybody which is cool, ecause at's,not no, always the case, but right easy and she knows what she wants for sure.Just she talk music with you, a guys, O stuff or as Ameers sh. She talks aboutMus. I mean she pretty much lets the band Kinda, the musical director,Daniel and and the band Kinda handle the music. She doesn't she's herattitudes like just you know, let's not have too many cooks in the kitchen likethey know what they're doing rod under him. You know she. She definitely knowsif she doesn't like something she'll say I don't like that to do somethingelse. You know what I mean like friner foods or stuff. You know originallittle pieces. We come up with for RFOR the concert, ethat's cool. Now.What kind of venues are you guys playing now? We were doing mostly arenas. Um. Weactually got a bunch of festivals. Last year we did. We played Glasston Berry,Oh cool Runin, some fesivals in Australia Um. So those were bigger crowds, butmostly her concerts are, like...

...you know, stakle center size places,arenas, cosrthat's cool that she kept. I going all these years, yehit's kindof Erain W. I first started. Playn withher was about five years ago Y. I was Kinda, you know I even when Iwas a kid dog, your music. You know most Kinto like rock and roll. I was I liked herstuffand I was learning her show. I was like damnshe's got an unbelievable catalogue. You know like yes, tons of music. Allthat stuff produced by a Jimmy Jametery Lewis is al P, Ta, Mi,Minneapolis, Bibe, yeah right, and so is it? Is it a pretty locked in show oris she? Is it GOINTA loose and she calls tunes or Evry? I it's as Latin, as can be. Imean there'r stuff that changes, but it's locked in yeah like everything's.They got video, SINC and PYRO, saying GOCH TI' still big production, yeah yea,especially once we got to the biggest thing. It was pretty pretty massivestage: Oh yeah totally Yeah Vegas. They do it upright they do that. That was afun thing. I mean almost killed me living in Vegas for all that Timeyeahpee learnn. The show was good. Where was the GIG? What was that park in GM?Oh, okay, yeah! I just got done with a viggast resicy with twite, which was abig big production too. It was like a whole like a string, orchestra andstuff and wow yeah. It was amazing. It was a three hour show of him. Basicallyjust talking about California, country music, and I was playing it. It was itwas God awesome, but it was a lot of work. Like you saying we 're at themercy of the of the restaurants and bars, I think we had like a ten percentdiscount or something but but a yeah I mean every bartendernet place,knew us all bu E. I bet. So it was a little much and yeah. I seliver cleannse. For about six months, IO, exactly do you feel like you're, a part of likethe Jackson family, like legacy being a part of that GIG 'cause? They seem likethe royalty when I think about Hem. You know what I mean it arly. I yeah me N. It's it is that I mean that Wat, a crazy shebeis family. You know what I mean.They all her mom game to show and Um. Her Dan Camet be showem before hepassed away a few years ago, but they e held the older brothers and everybodycame at some point. They would all come back stage and it is Kindo like a wo. You remember was it was it with you in Las Vegasthat Mil Jon came and saw the Disney show. We were doing Ri yeah, yeah, YeahYeah. We were on the high school musical show together and there's justlike a feeling when there's a Jackson in the room rihyeahwell, especiallythat one 'cause Myaehe Gae, was like secret service and stuff, and he had kind a different level ofsecurity which Ar nided for yeah- and he had is three kids with him. Yeah, that was amazing. I'l, probablynever forget that just watching him watch us and being lat it he es at thesoundboard. I remember seeing Hemanwherin Pask, which at the time semrig yeah exactly and now it's just oureveryday lives. Yeah Yhanso, you grew up like a gipsy Kinda yeah yeah, I grew up. I was born inHouston, my my family's all from Texas and Um. My Dad is an actor. My mom was an actor when I was a kid andeventually became a children brighter, but...

...we moved around a lot. We werewedidtheatrical tours when I was really young se from what I was like two to four. Wewere on the road, but one year was in La Vegas, but Ohwel H, we traveled allaround. We would do k. You know e thetitours t they stay in Citie, so wewould ride. You know we were in in Vegas for a year and we'd be inCleveland for three or four weeks, or you know, that's Governewe, Fr from there wemoved to New York and then from New York to La so my dad D, kindostart getting into more um film and television stuff and then after high school. I moved up to thebay area that was just on my own to kind of perser pursue music and theneventually came back ten years later, Yor Im dragin eer yeah. So you had nochoice. You were you were going to be a performer yeah I was. I was definitely surroundedby a lot of a lot of uh performers ut. You know my both myparents and my older brothers. Both Pay Guitar Saing. I remember that was actually you know when peopleasked me but waslike it an early memory of something that made. I you want tobe a musician. I there were four years in a row where they, my two olderbrothers, won the battle of the bands at their high school in New York. Wherewe lived at the time I reemthis is't, like you, know, mid eighties, late, eighties, H and youknow it was big hair, big hair. Exactly so, I see all youn get now our brothersare playing and singing and all these big young girls are scream and I'm likewow, that's what I want do yeah and every day is exactly like thatnow yeah, exactly as I pictured it yeah so didyou go to college? Do you study music? Really? I I went to. I did go for acouple years to city college San Francisco I took. Itook music classes for a couple of years. I didn't go beyond Um two years, though I just I startedplaying. I started working a lot right right and did you do you think that didyou get a lot out of that or do you feel like most of the stuff that youknow you just figured out on your own? As a combination I mean I I defiitelyhad I had a good jazz ban teacher at that city college. The City College, ifSan Francisco is, is like ninety five. Ninety six and he also taught harmonyclassical harmonies of that that definitely Um taught me a lot just you know justlearning, learning, big bantins and learning how to camp and righow havevoiceleading and all that stuff? U That was that was you know very eyeopening for me, but you know also just playing gigs around town and meetingpeople and hearing people that you know being forced to to learn stuff right.Aonwas was just as valuable. I think yeah well t I think you're, probablyone of the most versitile players that I know so. It's kind of amazing thatyou have such a vast like vocabuliar, stuff you're, not an old guy either youkno I'm starting to feel very old bet you. So I still don't have kids yetso I'm I'm staying young. No, it's good for you! I don't rush into it. WYIIT's the first thing ever: Hey ut itout there inft! Absolutely you just kindofamazing to me: 'CAUSE, there's, not a lot of guys that are that talented! Youknow that haven't had a little more informal training, especially if yourlike now, like the guys at the top, are kind of all from Berkeley or Miami ornor Texas or whatever and yougt. You...

...were. You know equal if not a betterplayer than Mose people and h was that just sitting front of the T V, likewith your guitar and figuring shit out or Deres, a lot of that. For sure I mean I,you know I it was just. I was around and alot again, like you know I had Ihad my parents singing and playing my brothers sing and playing- and I mean I I G- I had a really goodhigh school jazz teacher Um. I had m a really good Um College, Jazzband,director and UH. I just was kind of surrounded. I ialso. It was a weird path too 'cause.I started off really very much just into class of rock pretty much and manwhen I was in high school. I got into funk and James Brown and parliament,flun and dolic and all that stuff, and then that kind of, let me to jazz m andthen playing gigs around town and San Francisco, led me to Gospel Music,which was kind of the only thing that I hadn't Godh hate a lot of right, hugeshift in my playing too meating a h, Eric Smith and Jubu Smith and th H, Teddy Campbell, and all these guysreally kind of got me into what my professional career became. Got You um so yeah it was just you know, beingbeing lucky enough to meet the right people and kind of go through this Weird Musical Learning Experience Ota,that's cool! So then you came to l a and how long after you got here. Didyou meet Rickie miner and how did that all happen? 'cause, it seems, like he's,been a big kind of guy in your career, yeah, absolutely rickie. I met Rickie through Tuddy Campbell,who is his Ho's, been his drummer forever, and I met Teddy through Eric Smithplaying with Mary Mary, Oh Gotca, so th, so that was Kinda through the GospelWorld that I met, Rickie and started doing more stuff in La was high schoolmusic wis, the first Reicky Gig you had or yeah yeah ID met him before that andIh'd done h, stuff that he was kind of advising on, but that was the firstthing he hired before wow thats ehe recommended me for Stevie, wonder notlong after that, an Christin Agulera it was s Kindof, one thing after the other,then wow and I ended up playing doing a lot of gigs with his ban. The tonightshow when ever Paul couldn't make it when they would have two gotarplayerswow yeahthat. I mean that's a that's doingthat kind of gig house band gig that that'll Kinda workyn into shake too, because yougotta you got ta read I mean he really. Hegot on me early about reading 'cause I', never was a big reader. I could do it,but I wasn't a good like psice, reader and uh, you know being forced. You know you getyou're going to run it toon, maybe once maybe twice right and it's IALRI,that's it. You know eter feel pretty good about it afterthat and a that was a big. That was a a good experience for megetting getting into that getting through that. So what did you do to to work on that'cause? I always think about reading is like so hard to sit in your room andlearn it because it really takes the pressure of being on the spot. I feel,like you know, like it's there's KINDOF. The only way to learn is to like throwyourself into the fire a little bit. You know, but too I had. I had to fail that initialrehearsal or too, and then just Kinda do my homework then and then just geting the habit of doing it. You know getting the habit of Don it when and also knowing to kind of approach.Reading the same way, you approach music, not reading, whichis Y, you know, use your ears still...

...right, stay ahead, ND and don't don'tlet the paper! The paper is a guide. You don't aespecially as a guitar player mm a lot of the time, there's wrong stuff onthere, and it's really just kind of you know. You see that that Sim thingwritten it's like okay, well, really is been most of thoseguitar parts are notwritten right, right, Rit, if it's, if it is a very specific part, will bewritten, but knowing how to Kinda interpret as well as read right, read with your years yea reading withYourears, you know, don't turn anything off use all of it. Rightright yeah,definitely yeah it's a little different for base. I think 'cause T ere's a lotof times. It's notated linegot o play nd, so yeah I mean it depends on the GIG Nyeah. I've done these like some film stuff and Someright Oo, stuffwhere it is like. You know, you get cuttime Args, where everything'swritten out, there's D, there's just different kinds of reading. You know to Um, but yeah you just Kindo gotto immerseyourself in all of it and you know seet it up a couple of times and keepworking on it. You know what I mean like Yep and just hope that you don'tget fired in the process. Yes, always to not get fire. Yeah. I've been in some pretty scarysituations where you ere, surrounded by guys, especially on a t v Gig, whereit's like these guys get paid to read: They'r readers or, if you're, if you're,playing with strings and a lot of times a base, is sort of doubling the cello.So there's someone else playing your partn. They know when you screw up just O, as I got better at it. Ive found myself espect because eguitar and Bay, sometimes we will have you know e y plan, Uson Yeah, I toed Istarted to catch. You know some of the people yeah hearing oway from the Jard. I got to be superior and correct them. That's the best, but just so s s like it's you're G,your gun, a mess up. You know what I mean. You Ha e. You have to be able torecover well right, right, yeah and hope that you're, not with guysthat are just some people, are just Nazis about it. You know: Ikeeyou'reGongta have yeah yeah, but Atyou just kinda yeah. I I'vedefinitely been in those situations too. Where it's you know yeah, you can feelthe eyes burning through you like. He doesn't know what he's doing exactly, who hired this Guy Oman so yeah we were on a high schoolmusical tour together. That was awesome. That's where I first mete. We we uh, wedrank a little. We had a little fun, you know and like took a bunch of kidsongs and and played the shit out of every night. I feel like it as a greatband yeah. That was a lot of funjoy re seemed to remember and Creg me if I'mwrong, but like we t e last date of the US tour, we played staplecenter and you like sound checked. Then you ran over to center staging andauditioned for Christinagalera. That's right. I came back and played the showand then like a week later, you're off on tour withChristina Yeah. That was a crazy yeah. That was crazy. I forgot that that was all the sametime and that's yeah. We that was the first audition. There wasa call back, I think the next day and it was a gituation where, where herguitar playrtaric Acony, U Love Grig Tungm. He left to go back on tour with Josh Groban, so therI was.

It was one of those things where theyneeded somebody, quick right, yeah that was that was that was a nice busyperiod in my life before we had kids and right. Yes, I went straight from high schoolmusical to Christina, backed high school musical and then as soon asChristina finished, the next leg. That's when I got to see me Wonteratthat was my eer two thousand and six seven. That was good. I mean thos ArGreat Gigs Yeah. It was like you know, 'cause. That was my first bighat. Ereser was high school years ago, e Disney thing, and U it was. It was all arenas after thatyou only readit h. One thing: THAT'S AMAZING! You seemto get a lot of gigs from auditioning and I have never gotten to single G.I've gotten one GIG and that was at Disneyland from an audition but andI've had fairly decent career as well, but I've. Never I if there's an audition an they inviteme. I just know I'm not going to get the GIG, but you seem to get it. Ihaint on tisthing and that's funny because since around that time Ihaven't done that I haven't done nearly as many as I I used to Buti di for I ell that wasn't really ahorddition. We kinda just got it. I came in later on that 'cause TalWilkinfeld was originally the base player and then she that's right. Shebelled out. So I think Chad recommended me to Matt, and then I just showed upthe next day and Rickie saw me and he was like okay, cool you're. Fine, but uh do you have any like, so youhate auditions. But do you have like a thing about? Do you go in with aconscious thing, like I'm Gonta? This is what I do at an audition or you justgo whand you be yourself and just turns out. Well, well, you try. I try, I mean you tryand be yourself and try and be as confitent as possible. But again youkindo got to read the situation. You know for Christina. You know it was more. It seemed more at least initially likeit was a visual thing. They were looking for.You know. Tthey, wanted us to to learn choreography at that first audition,which I thought was Ni Wel. But U, but then is STV's audition. It was morejust like we were jamming every day once he started coming well, he nevercourted any of his music. We were playing giant steps and you know fusiontunes and whatever he felt like, and I remember at one point like after fivedays of this, I called NAT NNA wats te er of his basebair forforever forever, and I said Heyso do I have the GIG and said: Well, you don'tsee any other guitar players going up. I said well, you said that's probably apretty good sign right. That's not really an answer, but okay, work out, yeah en and then there' Ouknow other audition gigs that were Michael Bolton. That was a rough oneyeah. I was there that one I just reard that we played together on it, but Igot therei got there in like three out of the four songs that we had to learnwere in completely different keys and t. The charts were the Ronkis andand they're not they were like. You know: a million cords and a ballad nowgo down like a fourth Y ye. We got fixed on that one for sure, but there again you got the GIG and Ididn't so. Whatever your secret is it's it'sworking or at workd yeah I mean yeah, a good, a large amount of fear and a bigsmile, Likemoa Don, Oh man. That should be thename of your next record. That's awesome! So you got the Stevie,wonder gig and that's awesome right. You were he wa. He was an idol of yours,oyeah yeah I listene Toin,...

...since since I was in utero parents, Atualy tell the story oflistening to the album songs in the key of life.When I was wined, my mom was priant with, but my whole life and went through phaseslike I remember my parents listening to it, and then I got back into it reallyin high school and was in a stevie wonder cover band when I was eighteenor no oh wow, so that was really exciting to get that gig yeah. Sohaving worked with them so much now, do you still idolize them? Is it asn'tmade you like Im more or you know they say: Don't meet your heros. Sometimesyou know, but I I mean he's unbelievable, an to be able 'cause he'svery giving musically. You know he he he shares his gift. He spreads that that is his way of Song. Writingso being able to to be around him when he's writing a song and when he'sgiving people parts and all that stuffs, really KI special. Why kind of made mesee him in a hole differently? I mean not not reallydifferent, but just like expanded, my reverence for him. You know what I meanits like man, the way he thinks the way he uh kind of lets. The song tell himwhat to do right. We cool, really kind of a big teaching experience for me. Learning I and there's a great youto video of yourSolo on Spain and like when you have a short spot likethat, when it's like introducing Aero, do you Kinda do the same thing everynight or is that all improve you try to change it up every night when it's'cause? It's like that? Sixteen bars yeah. I hate that. I mean it was cool. It's fine. You knowI mean in school t to have been a part of it, but it was just like one dynamiclevel. Sixteen bars, Arogo and everybody KINDOF had the same thing soyeah I mean it changed a little bit every night. I definitely had like somethemes that I would kindoexpound on right. Yeah. I dreaded that every single mightwow o we tid, and in sum sometimes it came out great- that one was Oky. I I thought it was great well, thank youyeah! So don't worry! I liked it as long as you like it. I'Myou know whatI'm saying I'll I'll start h, sending you notes every time I see you doing,Goo Cool Shit on you too SFX. Don't worry it's not that bad dude, noyou're fine, it was. It was extremely fine- was adequate, so Lon you're really doing your job up there.I like Itand, it's a a huge man. Yes got tha th by the time we did. Thesongs in the key Lifetoor, which was...

...twenty fifteen andth here, was a stringsention on stags or n Ier. There was two of everything: Two drummers andseveral keyboard players like four keyboard players, including him to no TA payers, twopercussionets. He had some massive bands o that's another thing. I youreally kindo gotta, be careful how you uh approach playing with such a largegroup of people. You know, like you, don't Wantta course. Everybody wants to to gshow what they can give to themusic, but really Ri Le Music. Tell you what to doserve. The music. No TASA hadalways said te thrown up. I always served the art form and did you he doeshe hang? Is it like a guy like or is he kind of in in and out did you ever? Youknow what I mean we anget a few times. I I remember on one of the early jorshis birthday. We would always have some kind of hang out. He would have dinnersand stuff o that's cu. I mean He. He travels with his own bary. You know,there's always like the hardest poy, the band party, the crew party, so wedidn't always hang, but he was always you know he always spoke to. Everybodyalways wanted you to speak to him because you know yeah when you knowyou're you're blind you kindo have to have people come upto you, you're, not gonna. Unless you know you're asking to go, see somebodyright so yeah he he would go out of his wayto make sure he spent some time with everybody. That's great cool and he hasa massive catalogue. Did you just have to learn it? Yeah kind? I mean just you can't reallylearn. I don't think, there's anybody,including him that remembers all five six hundred of those songs forbatem,you know, but as your play M, they come back to you so Y H. I did. I mean, ofcourse, all the HITSYO learn, but but- and I had the advantage of being a hugefan, so I know him anyway, you know in m. You know I can sing along all ofthem right right right, so that's helpful,but you'll holl, the most random stuff. I mean you want to talk about theopposite of. We were talking about how Jani tejaction show is locked in hisshow. Until we did the songs on the keylierwas we never knew what he was going to do? I mean once we got a few weeks intoa tour. IWOULD have a plan. I mean we HAV, there's a guy that would basically kin. We called himthe catcher because he would be on a mitrophone on the side of the stage,with a list of PSOLNS and he'd call Hem, he', he'd, say the microphone Medeor inthe years and stevie would shake him off or just start playing. The Song Wowsoit was like you know: pitchure catcher relationship right, I'm crazy,but I found out yeah about that guy about a month into the GIG. I wish Ih'dknown about that guy earlier sounds I please put in my ears, so I have someidea of what's coming but yeah he he would pull out songs and not even he would bull out coverslike, and he he just you know it's got a he's aPrespirit, and that way he doesn't want to do the same thing every night anddid he have tracks super stumb songs, mostly not mos, notyeaha. Again as it went on, we did more stuff with clicks and tracks Um, butnever everything I mean there was a couple of times where theywould try and catch hem, because there w's a couple of songs that had likeorchestras in the box, ray Um overjoyed always had a track H, so that one youknow they would try and catch him...

Welle. I mean the guy was amazing thathe caught him as much as he did, but you're not always going to catch that the BEA and then it's you know on o wer going Ou yeah, don't put the tracks in your ears iprove it right through it. Youa Wel, that's cool! Well, I was watchingthe H twenty fifth anniversary, rock and hol h all of fame when he was onand like there. You were- and I was like Oh Thas, arol and then, like John Legend, comes out and staying andJeff Beck and bb King and I'm like there's Arald playing with all theselegendary people like that was Awom. That just must have been insane right.Yeah I mean that wasn't s the rehearsals for that were insane butAgai. You know I didn't know what I was I knew it was. I knew it was that itwas the anniversary for the rocan Rol Holl Fan. That was what the show was,but I didn't know all those guests were coming so they started coming in. Youknow, bby King comes in, you know ruceless Um, but that was yeah. Thatwas amazing getting to play with all those guys, ieverybody O mentioned JeffBeck. I mean Yeah Um, who shaves his arm pits. That was asurprise h. What else that it ca at was again.You want to talk about going down, so you saw tha the iminent mersion right,Wenso that a that was yo k w it was a live show. Itwasn't like it was all produced for TV, so there was a big crowd and they weretrying to do pretty big stage changes. It had a turntablestage right Te wore setting up on the back, as I think, Crosbi, stealsNash or playing on the Front Uwe're all set up. We got our years. We heareverything turn the stags around lights. Come on, no sound the front of houseboard would not wouldnot fire up. He couldn't. You know it was one of those thingger ijust. It wasBrontin on windows and it would not fire up. Ono O we're just standing. It wasn't thatlong because they figured out how to Sen th w. We were going to the recordingtruck and they were. They figured out how to send the lines back from therecording track to the PA, guyover and th, and our front house guy was on thephone telling him what to turn up and down. It was n wild. Oh my gosh, but you knowthe magic and television you couldn't tell any of that happened. wher he ncan Tel andhere still worked. I mean we souded fine to us o the crowd at first only heard drumsfor the first Song Ez. So did they have to stop Thi, show and start over or youjust plouhed right through it tweezust ploughed through it. I mean he startedup. I think yeah. The first thing they got up. Wi Hen Fok Mike in his keyboar,so he started playing and then the drums came up so slowly. It was like awe kind of jammed through the first song and then we started ourset wo, that's crazy, Madison Square Garden!BUCKAND! You know no big deal just give us one. Second, we've done this before I swear yeah a you know, and all these otherawesome people r there like Crosbis, steals and Nas and Bruce springsteamplayed after us, and everybody had all these great special guests and Bonny rates an MI. You know as Ha. Allthese heroes of mine are playing Zar and singing. So what more stevy winderthing that I wanted to ask you about. Is the White House Performance Um? How what was it like to be performinglike basically in Obama's lap erwasing?...

I think I' have this picture heresomewhere, Oh cool yeah! I mean you know, that's that's the White House,it's a small room. You know, so you really feel like it's like playing in.You know: SOMEON's big hrirving room or something right. So, like Herby handcock was sittinglike three inches. You know I I felt like I couldn't turn without hittinghim with the headstock in my guitar wow. You know, there's a boma and his wife,and all I mean that that was yeah, an amazing experience being beingthere all day, going Tog thes, that's security and everything yeah did youget Ohan, hang out with the president other Thanali just for the photo wekind of we kind of strong armed our way info the photo, the the Um. What do you call it? The person runningthere, the publicist I should know that werebecause my wife arthat's pretty fun tepobesister was trying to not let theband in and we just kindo ove the same time, and- and I Remember Sa Oh here,they come, yhere comes a ban, but he was really supernice, Shok allher and picture, and then they had a party. They had a reception afterwards,so theythey were there for a very short time, but oo e. That was very. That was a cool experience. The strangest thingabout it was that the director of the the show the PBS program that they wereFonin te right was the mother and the aunt of one of my best friends in highschool, who I had not seen. I hadn't seen either on since high school, and Iwas thin. I know I recognized their faces. Wene figured out wow, so yeah weended up hanging out afterwards and aswas or small world and Bitin wassitting there too. He might be our next president. Who knows ye? I mean, Iguess that's what we're we have to hope for yeah. Well, we don't have very manygood options as usual yeah. That was. That was very coolthough, and it wasn't Berry Gordis in there too. As that yeah he was, he waslike next to biding yea, pretty cool at EAN. I'm telling you they're, all likeyou know, I'm sitting there playing and they're right in front of me. I wasthat sort of nerve wracking or did you feel like ie bit nor racke? There'ssomething about that er that COS not so much the politicians right right, right,yeah, but I know you were doing kind of a historic thing there, yeah yeah and-and you know what that music, I I know like the back of my you know. I knowthat music better than I know any Oheso right youn. I had t just Kinda, letthat go and trust to trust myself trustet. It would come through rightwhen AAs a great band to is it. You know kind of a mixture of ricky minorsban and Stevie's ban yeah. It was much smaller, yes, not quite as much 'cause. Youcouldn't fit anybody else on that stage. It was a no way, there's no way soyou're doing a lot of sessions from home. I happen, toon Eferio, I did the you know a fair number two or three perweek, probably sometimes this week, I've actually got more. I A a littlebacked up, which is great. You know I I haven't really tried. Let you know I'm lucky enough bless enough peopleHav just been kind o calling me in a steady stream. That's great 'cause!This might be our future. I mean it's it kind of selike it I you know. Eventually, people aregoing to have to have a lot of music a in theyr. You know the World W end. I think you're right, I think people Ithin eventually, O I mean I'm already...

...starting to see, you know, shows you know social distance shows orwhatever, where they have a a limited crowdis. You know smaller places,obviously, but Um, certainly in states like Texas and Florida they're they'rerushing to get to yeah. So what are you recording into since you're doing somuch Somany, I'm using logic? Oh that's cool! Yes, Nice Andy! Are You h? Do youuse the camper stuff? Are you makingthings up or you', O God? I'vegot this. I've got an ISO cab with couple of different basic boogie heads,oh cool and PRIAMP, an SM. Fifty seven I've gotI've got an Acoustic Mike that I use be I'm trying to do as much real stuff aspossible, real miking, real speakers. This is hard to do in a Garige. It'syou know, that's why that's the good thing aboutthe night time recording is that there's not a lot of noise during theday, it's hard to record accoupstick Instromestin here the ISOK, a works Greagt I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the diebar rocks our podcast as a new pod cast getting theword out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road or off the read as their current case.Maybe if you would like to support the podgast all you got to do subscribewherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two teslev o review,you can also share and follow the bodcast on your social media APS. Okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening. So you mentioned Philip Phillips. I saw a lot of your guys on theInternet, N, the outubes and Um. It looked like a totally fun gig. Itseems at I a lot of fun had really good chemistry yeah. We have a great timeplan to Goe this. He loves. He loves to just open it up and kind of let it go wherever go so there's lotsof Soland lots of Gamin kind of stuff and he's still still out there doing it. Yeah yeah he's really. I mean he loves to do the live stuff and he's got asmall really dedicated fan base. So so we were doing like city wineries, MHM,all all over the country n. They were like ninety nine percent sold out and on, just just with the two of US w. We had a great time that was h January and February thisyear. Oh that's great 'cause yeah. He seemslike one of the more talented you know: Winners of American Idol, Oh yeah, forsure he's he's a good song Rie to a really talentes oer. You had workedwith t e American idol before right. Were you like the houseband or I I was wel. I met I'm doing the tour, but but I had played gone back toFantasia, who won I. I was her musical director for a while. That's how I met my wife. Actually shewas her day to day manager and I was a musical director r and then I I did I was I never was inthe houseband, but I did a lot of guesting lit the House Tan like whenthey needed an extra guetarware that was through Rickie also and then m rate. You after him fir me for somestofe. Are you a fan of the American idol show af of how much work it's given me andIA O my friends right yeah, you know and just the whole singing competitiongenre in general. Yeahyou know I mean it's just that's. That is such a huge chunk of the workthat all the musicians I know have been doing, especially in l a o. So you knowit's...

...it's Corny or whatever, but I meanthank God for the work because yeah, it's really brought live music back totelevision yeah. Exactly have you played in a couple of the grammy housebands too, as well right, yeah yeah. I did H all we wanted that one of the RickyHousebans we did ththerethey 're KINDOF different, like different groups withinTheousbad ohright Um. So I did one of those and then I I played on it a few.Oh actually there was the the the BARRID GIB thing. So yeah, there'sthere's been a couple of times: I've done it, but yea, that's always kind of a mismarshthere's some houseband stuff and there's some. You know some peoplealways want to bring their ban too. Oh right right, so those good experiencesyeah I mean you know, that's another thing, wherei so much build up and thenthe performance is three minutes or ten minutes. You know if, if you're doing ahouseband kind of thing, maybe you get seven or eight minutes on Gan Righso yeah. I mean it's cool, it's cool to bearound, but it's it's mostly you're, just locked in a in a dressing room and then you run outthere and play and then you leave, I o you know I had to go pick up my wifefrom work. So I couldn't hang around thefirst time. I did it. Yeah that'scool and those are all Thet'r. The stable Centerat Yeah Yeah. There wasone in New York a couple of years ago. I didn't actually play that when Iplayed the one of the events, the Clive Davis Party, that happened but yeah forthe most part they're always in the SABLEON. So tell me about legally blind. Yes, lakely bi, that's a aband! My Band we've been together. Fortwenty years now we figured out, which is finlybut. I mentioned earlier EricSmithen Jewsmith, who were Um to big influence of mine too big.You know, parts of my career Um. I met Eric The baseplayer when I moved to the bay area playing clubs, and he got me on myfirst tour and we started the band a it. A Jubas laterhe's my favorite guitar player in the world has comn. He writes the songs andthings leave mostly and we've been doing yea w. We did a couple of hours, we'vebeen playing together for quite a long time now, that's cool and that I sawyou in New York with those guys yeah exactly the s O bs and I just listenedto the the whole record. Today too. It's just really great ther's, twothousand and fifteen record. I guess you right. Yeah E H, yeah, really coolstuff. It's like blackly is jazzy. It's R, ND, B, heas tois great combination.Yeaso. Are you guys working on more stuff yeah? We we we've got a few things. You know it'sone of th se, it's hard to get us all together at the same time, especiallynow, obviously Rightyeah, but we've got a few things in the can and we'replanning on doing some recording and getting back out there. We did the lastpublic Gig I did was with Legally Blind in Dallas on February twenty second, Ohwow. That was the very last thing I did yeah. That was great. That plan withthose guys, it's like you, know, it'slike being homemmand. You met themin in the bay area, Yep Yelen. I met...

Eric playing at clubs and playing youknow covergigs, and he was already outtoring and he kinda said O heywe got.We got they wanted to have two guitar players because most of the songs hewrites for two gizars. So I was lucky enough that they likedme well you're likable SOTIMES, so ea Tim, forty sixty, I don't know usually when we'retogether, we've been drinking a lot more than now so we'r bessed, I thinkwe're both more likable when we're not drinking. When we aredrinking. I I like myself better when I'mdrinking don' ow viassy. That's the problem. Tell I iitial I yomor when yeah I don't care what they think as much.That's the beauty of it a there. You go well speak of that. I've always got of been impressed with your sort offearlessness in lack of ambition or ineditions, not ambition. That's a whole other conversation ylack of inhibitions, and I wonder I've always wondered since your dad was anactor and you kindof grew up in a whole theater thing. If that sort of stemsfrom that kind of training, you know like the wholeacting thing of a being fearless and, like you know, committing to a role andnot caring so much about what people think I don't know. I just see you th. Idon't know, I think I don't know I mean. I definitely, of course, have you know my share of insecurities, but I do think that I've always found that if you justthrow yourself into the situation and just gotta, you kind o try your best not to give aship. What anyone thinks rign you you will perform better. You will becomemore one with the with with the music. You know like me, and maybe that does come from kind ofbeing around seeing my Dad Gind, to throw himself into rolls and seeing mybrothers singing nd at their best kinda letting themselves go of, and then justyou know feeling it myself remember this first few like good moments andperformance, where I really felt like. I wasn't, I didn't matter so much, but you knowit wa Ra, Likei KINDOF. I was kind of a pathway for this thing almost and itsounds maybe cheesy, but but that's when I felt my best is when I kind of tookmyself out of it and let myself go yeah, you got a channeling yeah, it'slike it's like you're, a conduit for the VA yeah. Well that definitely comesacross when you're playing. I think y...

...you're kinda completely in the moment.You know yeah it us what makes it press wel etit's when it's at its best. That's what that's. What it feels like to me isthat you're, just Kinda at one with this thing, THAs happening yeahan yeah,don't get in his way right and you see like a guy who really loves to play yet absolutely ABSO. I mean still, of course, there'sa lot of of it. That is a job. You know the more you play. It feels more like ajob, but it's always there's always somethingthat reminds me how much I love it. There's always something a that. That kind of brings me back to that. Itreminds me how much I love what I'm doing you know I. It could just besomething small if you know I'm playing some kind of horrible pop music, butthere's always something in it. That will that will you know bring me back tothat love of music that I have yeah we're pretty lucky y? U to be ableto do what we do. I think yeah. Oh my God. I don't know what the hell elseI'd do and we're getting a good taste of like not having it right now. You know yeahyou'reeeminded, pretty how lucky we were yeah. I mean there's definitely alittle bit of that like well, you better uckand be thankful for what youhave r. You know how many Peope get to do thisyeah. Definitely nobody right now and nobodyallyeah o. We can talk about iton the screen, yeah! No, it's a weird time to start a podcast like this'cause. How do you get into the music business?Well, there is no music business. I don't know at the same time I po will be one yes,they'll come back. EHYEAH well. You've had like one of those careers so faranyway. That just never seems to stop it's like. You have good Gig, O goodGig to good Gig, and I wonder, do you feel like that's your career? Or do youalways, I always kind of feel, even when I'm at ly doing some cool gigs, Ialways feel sort of unemployed, but people from the outside ere, like wow.You just have had a steady career. Does it feel, like you, have a steady career,or do you always feel no where's? My Ne Oi feel like I'm right on the edge ofwhat's the next thing. Yeah I never I mean if I that's funny, becauseactually my current is Rasin. I this is the most stable income. I've ever hadunemployment, but it's yeah, even I'm always kinda thinking about what the next thing'sgoing to be, and generally I have no control over. So it doesn't do me anygood right, but it's always got in the back of mymind. Even you know, if, if I've got three months of work in front of me,that's that's great. That's as far in the future, as I think, I've ever hadat any given time right so o alow to o answer your question mmyeah I mean I tn O it's just interesting like how you see people's careers from theoutside and how it really feels when you're that person, you know and thaand its definitely feels more tenuous than is I'll, definitely get somethingafter this, and I I've been so lucky yet gs that it's you know, that's never! I! I neverassume, though, that it's it's g something tels going to come. You know I've screwed up enough in mylife to warrant people not hiring me anymore, but somehow I keep getting hurt: Yeah ells,'cause, you're, a bad ASSD player hosely and a pretty cool dude. I I'm not too bad. I hope, which Ithink is important right. It's pretty important part of this whole thing thatwe do is like being a good guy and being a good, hang and you'renot beingable to get along because y e you're only on stage for what an hour usuallyor two hours yeah and you gotta be...

...around all these people on the road,especially you're, living together. The rest of the day, you're sleeping on youknow, in box, in the middle of the night, waking up, ND, Yeaa, that'sthat's definitely being able to get along with people in close quarters is,is big, a big part of it. Yeah yeah, I think bb King said one time. Ithink it was B, beking, probably just me, but he said you can make a mediocreplayer better, but you're never going to make an assile a nice guy. YeahHATSFOR is partner Oman. So where do you see like the music business going because it just seems so scary, with musicbeing free? Now and like do you think, like people coming up, I think there'sgoing to be gigs for people Um Yeah. I don't think it's ever goingto go all the way away. I sather there's you know, like I said eal I was KINDOFjoking around, but people are always going to need somesort of live music and ye. I was talking to to my brotherjust the other day. He he works on the ground screw for the Astros in Houston, ASC. It's yes, Great Gik,of course, he's not working right now, but they still talk and he works with abunch of young guys and they're all really into jazz and R and B and livemusic, and I think that will always keep like there's always going to bepeople getting introduced to Lod music and all its forms that aregoing to be into it, because it's just it's just so cool. You know what I mean.Ike is righ kind of undeniable. Of course people woild be into differenttypes of stuff, but it's never going to go away and you know the wholestreaming thing and I mean it's been going on for most of my career and you know I think thee practr diract,the big recard labels screwed that up royally yeah at t time. It happened,but you know music survives, you know whatI mean especially, and I think for the smaller groups and the groups trying toyou know, get their stuff out there. It might be a good thing gust, likewegally, blind, we're we're able to kind of get our music out there through word of mouth oop. You knowlike rar puppy and you know they're. They kindo createdtheir own following without the help of those bigrecordindustry. You know right, preeple, so yeah. I think in some way its alwaysgoing to be around Il it. It's you can get really dark and depressed. If youlook at what's happened over the years, but then you you're, you're you'recutting out all the good stuff. That's happened too you're not looking atstuff yeah. I think to some degree it's kind of part of human nature. Thiswhole IC thing it's like a human expression, so we'll never be withoutit. Hopefully I hope more viruses than we'll be I thig. You know I keep reading thisstuff about virus batigue. Now I people are done yeah. I know e going to get sick, whatever we'regoing to get sick, yeah, so when's your next Gig on the books. Well,technically, I'm supposed to start my Janna Jackson to her in what a weekthey haven't. They haven't cancelled that, but I was Ehe we're not going tobe here where where's is supposed to start Miami and like June twenty sixthor something is it's postponed Judgyou, but they haven't, you know, since theydon't know, they haven't told us anything about when it's gon to comeback, we're supposed to be ontour the whole summer, wow well, she's, she's gotne out with a newalbum. I don't know what her progress is on that because I don't, I think youknow w this. All this stuff happened whenshe had still not completely finished...

...it. So well, that's great. It's great!That that GIG has kept on going yeah, I love it, and you know I'm sure whenever you know whenever we get theclearance mebe movie out there yeah well appreciate you coming on man,Talkin Mus, I'm keeping you up late and I know you're going to have to get upfor your kids yeah. No thank you for agone his IV been fun. It's fun to hangwith you. So has it been cool having the extra time to hang out with FAM? Ohy e ante hard work, it's got to be pretty AI superor work, but I mean it'sreally like this is the most time I've ever spent dprobably ever would have spent with my kids. You know because nat school andI'm ontor and Mans Af work like- and this is forcing us to be together fortwenty four hours a day, all the time all the time. But itreally is wonderful. It's say yeah, I'm getting to know them better than Iprobably ever wold. Otherwise, you know hat theres, there's something reallyspecial about that yeah. Well, it's hard as a road dog to have yeah the kidthing you know yeah. Imagine Youave! I haven't done it yet,but I imagine uh. It's got to be a lot to juggle yeah. It's tough! You knowit'Sas Horrd, as as hardon Um, my wife, you know who's Kinda decided early in our marriagethatd. She wasn't going to travel anymore. So it's it's tobily hard to struggle to tojuggle. It is a struggle to juggle. May So, there's a song in there somewheredrouble juggle. Well, we gotto hang out sometime for real when we can not wear mask yeah. Let's do it. Let'sdo another one he's on that couch back there yeah! Absolutely man bless. Let'shang out for real is do a Gig together yeah buck yeah. Where would we do thatlike in my garage? That's fine! No! Definitely! Let's do it. Thanksfore Yo're coming on and we'll we'll do it again and have a drink as ike exactly Ian a large amount of fear and a big smile.I think that's so brilliant and so impressive. I think that's whatimpresses me the most about Aril Um, that he's willing to sort of throwhimself into fire and put himself in situations that are uncomfortable andscary. Quite frankly, I mean there's a lot of pressure when you're puttingyourself in a grammy band, saying Yes to that Gig and knowing there's goingto be a bunch of reading and that you're probably going to stumble, butyou do it anyways that takes h me that takes some ballsin some brilliants and it's gotten him pretty far. You know, because I meanobviously he's a phenomenal player, but it takes a little more than that.You've got to be able to deal with the pressure of being on the grammyes youknow and and having to read and having guysbreathing down your throat that that are really really good and that's youknow. Li is full of guys that are really really good and it makes peopleat the top have a little less patience with people who aren't really reallygood. There's a big lesson to be learned. I think from Arol in that inthat sense, and that's really what it's all about Scout, getting out of yourcomfort zone, doing scary things and learning from every experience. Youknow, and he I think, he's a brilliant example. His old career is Um and I think it's really exciting whenyou meet people that are as talented as him and as humble as him, because youknow ego is a big factor in this whole thing that we do here and inperformance. You know it's an important thing that you have to have, but it'salso a thing that left unchecked can get you into a lot of trouble and atthe least make you not that fun of a...

...person to hang out with so it'sinspiring to meet people who are humble and super talented. I was also by theway just only giving him shit about not being likable because, as you can tell he's asuperlikable guy and hat's another big strength of his he's, just real fun.Haning he's a cool, dude and he' he's a lot of fun. A couple of things toclarify. At one point I talked about Shad recommended me to mat for the highschool musical tour. I was talking about Chad right who was on anotherepisode of this Pod, cast that you should look up, he's really awesome andMatt. Rodie was one of the keyboard players and Co. Musical directors. Matalso plays on American idol and Jane's Addiction, and just his list of creditsis unbelievable, so check him out. M Teddy Campbell, of course, was thedrummer for the tonight show when rickie minor was the musical directorand he's amazing. Look him up and Tarkaconi is a guitar player, who'sreally amazing. He plays with Josh Groeben David Foster, and he s hasanother one of these crazy awesome resumes he's a Berkley guy m and areally cool dude. So I think that's it. I hope you had fun. Wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to STA ndformed ot new episodes live eventsand General News, please go to dive bar rock star, DOTCOM and sign up for theMallinist di. You have any questions, comments, corrections or complaintsabout anything you hear on the shows. Please email me at Banmail at die Barrock star Dotcom and you may even end up on the show we at the Dibar RockStar potcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember.It's all about dreams.

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