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The Dive Bar Rock Star Podcast

Episode 6 · 1 year ago

Derek Frank- Look Like A Rock Star (Gwen Stefani, Shania Twain)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bass Player Derek Frank talks about his experience playing dual Las Vegas residencies with Gwen Stefani and Shania Twain. He talks about preparing for gigs, writing charts and sending good subs. He tells some road stories of his time with Air Supply and his first time playing in Vegas. Derek remembers his time at the University of Miami and why he lives in L.A.. He reflects on his diverse career of jazz, pop and country. He discusses how much control we’re in of our careers.

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Let The Games Begin…

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...teen Popimean, you Kno, you did highschool musical. I did Ali n Aj Ora Justice, like the young bubble, gum popstuff. Um Cover band stuff yeah, you know yeah I feel like, and then we bothended up on country. Gigs, yeah yeah, it's crazy. Ah, so do you approach eachgig differently or are you kind of? U Dereck? This is what I do and you justgo. An y much yeah mean pretty much just do whatever the gig requires,which usually is just th the same thing. It's just play the parts you know perform, look like a rock star, youknow: Ral, Um, yeah, Ju and just and just play theparts play the songs. You know and it's the same, no matter what kind of Gig itis, whether it's like a you know, pop thing or rock thing. You know m yeah, it's just yes, but you don't havereally a traditional country, giging the sense either 'cause. Now I meanit's very much o a pop kid mor I ro kind of the same way as a lot of theother pop gigs got I've done where you K, ow, you build the set and then theset, never changes where, like you with Dwight, I know we've talked about likehe changes. The set all the time and N you're expected to know like his wholecatalogue right and he changees stuff up all the time right, not arrangement,wise necessarily but but yeah. There's parts of the show where he he callswhatever he wants to call yeah and you got Ta know it all right for sure A. Imeancs not really like that. It's like once we've it well in every tour thatI've done with her every kind of situation which it's H, Vegas regency,the promoe tour or you know like a tourtour. It's you. You decide on thesetlist Tahead of number. She decides on the setlist ahead of time and youwork out of the transitions and Intros and endings and all that stuff, andthen that's it. It stays the same. rigt she'd, never really shuffled stuffaround. They would gwen like well, at least when we do our vagast show it'sbeen the same. Ever since we started like we ere HRA, certain order stayedthat and then, when we go do other shows like corporate shows arefestivals. Sometimes the show links a little different, so we'll change it up.A little bit but really we're drawing on the same M batch of songs. You knowlike twenty songs or something and we mak short et play fewer songs. And doyou like that? Yeah I mean it's cool to change it up sometimes, but I like,when guendoes other, shows outside of Vegas, because we get to do that. Weget to do extended versions of some songs because Coo in Vegas, as a couplethat we that we've cut like Um just so she can fit more songs in the showause.It's like a big greatest hits kind of show rigt, so some of the songs havehave been caught. The arrangements have been cut down to like a two minuteversion of the song, but then sometimes we go out into a festival or somethingwe'll do the full version, because then certain songs, we won't do as manysongs. But we'll do you know the full versons right. You always know what'shappening or what's going to happen pretty much I mean sometimes l e. Wedon't really find out the setlist till the day of the show go, but we all nothere's nothing. Yea She's not going to throw a song at us that we don't knowright, she's, not going to be like what you didn't. Listen to. You know thisBein side off of tragic kingdom. U KNO EAEA EA yeah and I always kind ofprefer that honestly it makes that ease when I'm about to go on station. I knowwhat the EC can happen. Yea I mean in sound check. You know if it's afestival or something sometimes we won't really know exactly what we'redoing until soundcheck. But then it's just like okay. What version are wedoing? Are we doing the full version or wee doing the vegas verson right andthat's that's easy, yeah, that's cool, and, and did you rehearse a lot with Gwen wedid at first when we were building the Vegas show we did. We did like a monthof Rehearsalim and- and now we don't like that- maybe we'll call a rehearsalhere and there, if, like she, wants to put together a new show for some of thecorporate things were doing or some of the festivals we might like have one or tworehearsals here and there, but it's it's not freguent at all God y yeahyeah, it's like we just for her some month got this show together and then yes and she's real, laid back o licklike even when we, when we do shows outside of Vegas Um, it's Kindo like we just decide andsound Cicke. You know what the set's going to be and then like, depending on the size of the stage. Youknow whether or not we're moving up we're running out front or Yoa. So it's she she's real, laid back.You know it's cool, she makes it makes it fine and easy and Chinaia rehearses. Well Yeah. I mean the same thing forthe before we did the Vegas residency. We we built a show. We we put the showtogether, but we only rehearsed, for I don't know. Maybe three weeks so notas long as Gwen gone but yeah, the ones that once that showstarted it's like for each leg in Begas, will show up like two days before t anwe'll do like two days of Rehearsal: Gotya lie production, yeah like in theVenu just M, hitting work nice or where they're supposed to be, and all thatyou are amazing at like riting charts, you're a great guy to sub, for...

...maybe I should go back even to that'cause. The first time I ever played in Begas was subbing for you actually'cause. I moved out here I went to high school with ae girl named Kke Kelly. Hewent to college with K Kelly, so she gave me your number and said here callmy friend and I called you up, and you know we hit it off. You needed a sub.You called me super grateful that was joes banned, er Mbps, mvpsyeah, the COR reef, lounge and NBA yeah yeah good times, man, it's good, butthat get kickd my ass a little 'cause. It was like eight thirty to two thirtyin the morning and high energy, the y higher time yeah nd en for five or sixnights in a row. Yeah Yeah and I ma I V- want to mention what the pay was ispretty low for what it was right. Yeah like Mar me at the time I just moved totown really, so I was like what yes I'll, take it Leti Godn for any of us,they're like young and we're just kind o getting going r whatever, like thosegigs, are fine like yeah. It was a lot, but I never complained about it like Iwasn't like man. This is too much I a this is awesome plain in Vegas andgetting paid, and this is just what it is now e look back on it. I wouldn't dothat again. KINDOF reach some other. You know yeah Um. You know my career,'s kind of grown from that. Now the thought of that the thought of playinga five hour n IG Sannights in a row in the same venue. You know for what themoney was. I L K yeah. I wouldn't be able to do that now, but at the time itwas like yeah. This is cool yeah and that's what it qualifies you as aDiebar Rock Star, Cooli've been in the dark bar yeah. We all started aoe s noyeah but um, but soming for you as Grad. What I was leading to is that becauseso well let mey ask you this. Do you generally, when you're preparing for aGIG? Do you just chart things out regardless Ali gig always yep, and Iknow I'm going to memorize it, but for me like charting it out is a way T ust,like put it in my brain nthe mor like helps me kind of visualize. It likeputs a visual element to it. So I always do that. Whether when should Iair supply whatever I just, I chart everything out and then I may use itfor the you know first couple of rehearsals and then it just Kinda, youknow, gets drilled into my brain than I don't need the charts anymore. But thenI've got him in CA, need to sob the Gig out right and then it's like you makeit so much easier for your sub 'cause. He doesn't have to spend. You know aweek learning a whole set of music. You know you can give them the charts andjust makes it easy for him, like yeah you've filled in for me with air supply,an age I had all the charts and yeah I I I had to. I had to sow out someglind stuff a while back and and had all the charts for that as well andriht. It just makes things easier: Yeah Yeah, it's amazing, but I'm all I kindof approach it like if I really want to do the GIG and it's a really fun thing,it's easier for me to just memorize it, because the chart for me is likeanother step. If I, if I start with the chart, I'm gon it's going to be acrutch for the rest ia with great crukas for eight years, and I readevery single GIG 'cause. I just never got off the chart, so Yogan er, if youwere able to you, didn't you didn't hit H, Memori exactly yeah. It was likeoothe e yeah. So I generally, if it's like a GIG that I know I I'm notreading charts on it, I'll just memorize it, and I say that as if it's easy but I'llspend you know three eight to ten hour days, memorizing it. I knew the same thing: yeah the chartcan be a crruct, sometimes like yeah. You know when I was playing an impulse,another gig that we've shared right, a wedding band, yeah wedding band, greatwedding band, though, like you know, everything was chartedout or l a lot of them were like you know, I charted them out or whatever,but yeah a lot of stuff. You know I never really memorized just because Ididn't have to right. 'cause like 'cause, I had the chart. No one gave ashit if I was reading or not everyone. You know yea. So I was just Kindo Liand it's n the nature of the GIG anyways, because they have a big bookof Charts. You show and Okay Picka oned, fifty six, you know yeah 'cause you'replaying stuff with like string sections and Horan nungeons, and it's Nifferentall the time, and it's kind of you know too much to memorize all of it. There are other gigs that I do fromtime to time where I think you know what I I should memorize this, butthere're charts. So I'm using hem, it's a crash. You know yea yeah totally.Well, it's great for the subbing situation. I came up from Denver and Iworked there for ten years before I moved here and in Denver you're kind of in a band, sothe subbing thing doesn't never didn't happen when I was there right. So whenI moved out here in general, it was weird to just like o this whole subbingthing is a big weird thing. You know b t especially for me as a person who,like I said, I was going to do your Gig and I will be at your Gig the factreally how it works out here. Well, I mean people are into so many differentthings out here that it's just I mean it's just in nature of the business. Iknow, and I think you K Ow, you can have awhole career without having a regular, Gig, yeah Ou know we hato be a sub andyeah. You know just someon a ton of stuff and weboth go through that fromtime to time like when our regular gigs aren't happening, we'll just be subbingon different things. You know right, but I think when it comes time for me tto have to sub out of something I don't...

...already have the charts like y. Youknow Youhave, it already said em so that the subbic just works so well, I'malways happy to sup for you 'cause. I know, and you gave me you give me aboard R, your inner mix, Ou the air supply thing too sing some stuff so,like I turned up the vocals on this side. IGAND the base is up on this sideand I was like this is easy. I just try to think like what would I want if Iwere coming into sub Han most of the time? People don't do that for you, youknow Ri. Sometimes it's like and Y. it's like pulling teeth just to get anyinformation at all, yeah anly yeah, and so you know I'm just kind of like. If Ineed to sub out something to somebody. I want to think like, oh y. What wouldI want if I were Aden to cover this gig yeah? So I just kind of do that a D andit just makes it easier then, like you know your solve's going to do a goodjob, because YEU HV IO excuse not to he's like t'Sgot everything right therefor him yeah and I always also Kindo, think-and it's not necessarily true, but it j St it's a good way of thinking. For me,it's like my sub is representing me. So if I sen a bad sub, that means I did ablack bad gig of corohat. I mean so yo. There's that fine line between likesend o Sob that's good and I's, going to represent yo well, but not going tobe better than me and take the GE. Hatverybody says yeah, but I Igenerally never worry about it. 'cause, especially F, my guy's better than mehe's got other gigs. You know I don't Rai T. I get sght much into thecompetition of I don't either man I just figure. Youknow the guys t that I call this suf from me they're, my friends tare notgoing to be like in the artist's ear saying like H, I'm available, you knowow right. You want me to do this next TOR, it's like I, I know guys aren'tgoing to do that. Yeah C use. I generally that's going to get you a badreputit, not a good way to do business. Yeah,that's not going to work out for you in the long run, yeah totally yeah. So youwent to Miami University Yeap University of Miami Yeah and I' have tocrack that 'cause. My emey, my oner, is to you the others. There's a MiamiUniversity in Ohio, Rightis, weird and then University of Miami Rit. Yes, youwent to the real one. I went to the one in Miami and how was that it great lot of goodplay. Omany great players, yeah great program, great players- I hated thecity, couldn't wait to get out of Thetr Guy, so I did my four years there andthen like I was I was gone. I had no intention of staying. I was just I justyou know some places, r good fit for you and others aren't.That was just at this places. It just never felt like home yeah, so yeah, I jdid the college there, but man. So many great players there's a lot of guysfrom Miami that from from school that or here in l, a that I play with a lotyeah, so yeah. So it's kind of like I went to Berkeley, it's kind o the samething you get out here and there's a pocket of people that I can just pluginto hat's your your network. I mean that's KINDOF. What what kept me hereis like I came out here. Just to visit for a while, where I was going to spendthis summer here, my parents were living out here and I was Gonta. Thiswas just kind of a transition for me and I had some friends from fromcollege that were here gigin and they were just throwing begigs right awayand I was like: Oh man, no, no need to go anywhere else like. I should juststay in La that's cool yeah, so you didn't really ever dream of moving to LA and making it big. No, IT'S INTERESTING! I I you know for somereason. I just didn't think of l a like my parents moved here when I was incollege and so I'd come to visit for spring break and stuff like that andholidays Um. But after college I went to Boston was W th with a girl and shetransred to burkelay. She was a singer and I just went along 'cause. I didn'treally know it really know what I wanted to do or where I wanted to go.So I was like yeah, I co. I could GIG IN BOSTON. U That did not happen. Tha!That's one of those cities where it's like you'r. At the time it seemed likeyou're in a band. That's working, O you're, not Ike y like I was hoping Icould just be like the freelance guy in the sub, but it just like wasn'tworking out that way. The Gigs I did do were just like little jazz gigs thatpaid like twenty bucks. You know right right right, Yeu. After less than ayear, I I decided to move. I was going to go to San Francisco. I had somefriends there that were playing jazz and making a living at it, INDF wheremy head was at at the time Goche. So I was like okay, we'll go to l a first'cause I was flat broke and I was like I' I'll live with my parents and youknow get a day job or something for the summer. R save up a little money andthen start again. But then I was I was here for couple of weeks and you knowjust decided to stay. That's cool glad. I did yeah it's kind of the similar thing I cameout to visit and I just immediately like between the weather and and thegigs and the players I was like h. This is this: Is Home, there's a lot to likeabout l, a yeah, and I think, that's really important to just to people ingeneral in their lives. You got to find the place where you're supposed to beYeh 'cause. I was never happy in Denver, I always kind of dream of New York, but Um. I don't know it just seemed a lotharder. It wasahardtime just livings harder in new yorkyeah exact,especially this musician. You got in what are you? Gont can't have a car,that's expensive Seo, Lug your gear on the subway like baseplayers, like Lug,their upright base on the subway and stuff that he never seemed attractiveto me. I I never considered New York, like I love going to New York and oneworking in New York and playing there and stuff, but like living in New York,is just too intense, yeah, yeah yeah.

Whenever I'm there. Now, I I'm like a so glad. I didn't do this,but then maybe maybe three hours after I just I get the O know originally fromNew York. I was more O kipsy. So Oh, but I didn't live there very long, butI always takes me at first I'm just in shock and like the energy is so crazyher. But after like three hours, I'm like Oh okay, this is awesome. You knowI G, I kinda get hooked on it. Now it's cool, it's really cool, but but yeahjust the money. I mean it's expensive here, but it's expensive there, but youdon't get near what you get here for the same expensive that make yeah yeahI mean you can spend three grand a month in rent for like a closet, eactand ha whereas, like out here, I you spend that much in rent you can. Youcan get. You know a house yeah we'll have a house an vono month. You knowyeah, it is expensive. It keeps getting more expensive yeah, but but I feellike you can at least get something with some sort of size and space Y. UKno, Wherei New York everything's. Just so crammed together, you know man andnow you'd be coughing and sneezing a lot, an oaove yeah, it's pretty bad ou hrr ame. It's like a ton of people, just yeah. You know huddled together. Youknow like in Tsan Asing Hoy're on the street. A time like in hear out herewe're in our cars yeah a we kindo have natural ideation that helpene yeahthere's just more space out here. Yeah. There is like a ton of people crammedinto a small area. Yeah course. You know. Of course it's going to spreadthere yeah, but you can drink all night, it's so great Yeh! Yes, you can gone down that routeway down Ti Ani,one that living there would probably kill me. So you were into jazz when you got outof college same with me, I was like Mser Jazz Guy, but I went naturallyinto the smooth jazz thing and you played with Minda bar for a long timeand Gentle Jeff Gollib. I saw on your thing: Yeah ierly cool, all the H, allthe stuff in the smooth Jaz seen that I did came from Middi I I was not onlythe guy that was like floating from artist to artists and that seemed likeI never got too immersed in it. Like I, I kind of fell into it. I wasrecommended for Miti's ban by J Gorand Jamie Tate found you didn'n audition.She chose me and then Um I was in her band and then from being in her band.We played with other people like we did. Some shows, like you, know Peter Whitea bunch of times and we did a nor with Jeff Gollim and David Pack, which WisReally Fil cool and from that like they would call me for their GIG, sometimesevery now, and then I did a record with Jef and but I never got like twoimmersed in that scene. There are some guys that are like they just play withall the guys in that scene, yeah yeah. That was me for yeah, probably fifteenyears, Ot your greg and Cakgon Kaos. I ges twelve years with her. Oh yeahyeah,it was, and it was cool et- had a lot of great experiences and you got toplay sure and so we'recoming out of that and into a pop thing was that Um, something that you did intentionally ordid that just happen? We iad already kind of been um in the pop circles, a little bit like Iprior to Mindia. I I'd done the AL, an AJ thing. You knowthey were a disneyact Hollywood records with them for a couple of years, andfrom now from that I went to dancing with the stars. I was doing the dancingwith the stars Tours U and then after. That is when I h when I hooked up withMindy. So I was kindof doing some diverse stuff, theer that and then, andthen, while I was with Mindia, was also doing some doing some pop gigs, likesome other things, came up, an mane was cool about me, leaving to go, do it toor with somebody else like the Victoria justice thing came up, and I did twosummer tours with her and then air supply came up, and I kindo did that. Iwas kind of like joing juggling middy's, GIG and air supply and Victori, and allthat for a little bit yeah and then some of the other stuff came up. Iremember you comeinto my birthday. We were hanging at the one up or somethingand- and I was like cornered you and like did I heard you got the R supplyGigi'm, a total nerd air supply fan. Since I was like twelve years old, yeahtheywe Hau, let Mesep on this cake. If you ever need anybody, just let me toat once I just so I could say I play Ris Ri. We when when I did need the sub some stuffout. I was like. I got the Guy Yeah and you know it just so happenedlike I subbed up that first week end then Iwas uppose to do another week andthen in between White Yok amd called and his a I had to sub out of subbingout of vew. Oh my gosh, it ha it. I Wa. I felt bad about it, but it's one ofthose instances which is just how it works out here. It's like. I can't youK W. I this is a steady gig. You know, and I see understand yea when that whenthat comes up like most people do understand like that was kind of thingwith mindy like when, when Kindo higher profile, things came up and I was likeI'm going to have to miss- you know a bunch of stuff, she was alwys just likego, do it, I get it like. Igh Know It's good for your good for your redsma goodfor you hcount like go, do it and come...

...back right right and I think mostartists are you know w we'll understand that yeah for sure, and so working withair supply, though, was also a great thing that it's like they say, don'tmeet your heroes, but those guys are just awesome so great. I can't evenbelieve it like yeah. You know I mean I'm in my late forties and I'm meetingthese heroes from my childhood and I do this professionally. We meet people allthe time but sure that was us, like. I can't believe they're standing there and like they'repraising me, because I did good on the GIG. You know it was such a greatexperience, but it was fun working with those guys right, yeah. Oh absolutely Y,I mean they're just so down to earth and laid back theyre of all the artiststhat I've worked with they're, probably like the most just down to Earth. Youknow you could joke around with them. You know yeah. I lway just bring up this onething when, when Russell paid me a hundred bucks to tell them to fuck off,you know e e l Ke, you can just joke around with these guys and they'rehilarious. You know a that's o yeah. I mean yeah they're, they're cool 'cause.I you know, I don't have the same relationship with other kind ofsuperstar pop artist that I've worked with a lot, there's a lot moreseparations. Sometimes where yeah you know, you don't have that comfort levelin with those guys, and so it was just cool that they were that laid back likeI they know, but before I went and played with them. I talked to Grandmother phone for a while, and then they had come out to vegas to check outtheir show and we had drinks afterwards and it's just you know, they're, justtotally cool. That's awesome, yeah they're, just guys that just love doingwhat they do mean they've been doing it for forty five years now and they do ahundred and twenty shows a year. T total road dogs and, and they just theyjust love what they do, and the fans the're great. They have dyehard fansall over the world as yeah O, that's pretty cool. I will always be in yourdebt for letting meself on that GIG L Youo, you onousy did a great job, theo. You know well thanks. You also mentioned dancing with thestars. It's kind of a highy story, because you were out on that tour. Onetime and money. Colenan was on her and my wife. She was my girlfriend at thetime was personal assistent fromony Colin. Ah So I had gotten off the roadto somebody at some point. T was probably Corpan blue. At that point, Hand Moniq was like just tell her to come out 'cause he had her own bus andHewas, like just tell tell her to come out and hang out, so I ended up justgoing for two weeks and staying on her bus and just being the guy in charge oflike where's the party tonight an so. We ended up CUTO hanging out on thattour. Yeah Yeah those fe, weird circumstance yeah. That was a coolcoincidence. Yeah. It was pretty fun. I Zeoud Thoug. Like one night, I was like CMO man we'regoing to bar you. Let's go! Do this and you're like? AH WE'RE in this big videogame tournament, an the back of the bus man, I'm I'm just going to be reallyVthatsfuny, I'm ight come ome man we're partying, Oh man, yeah. We we got into somepretty heated mortal combat tournaments with some of the dancers. I REMEMBER EA at t. That was a good time. Thosetours were great. I did three of the tours and UH. It was really cool. Theytook good care of us and the band was great and and most of the most of thestars that we that were out there were really cool yeah all hung out. YEUmoneeque was really cool yeah and it s it's similar. In a way I I did tha highschool musical ground tours and it's like a TV show. Really they were T vmovies. Here a TV show Fr. The budgets are different: ND they're, not makingtheir money off of this tour. Yeah, there's other stuff there's likesponsorships and it's you TV money involved yeah. So they end up beingCretty, cuhy, gigs, yeah, sure stree Didnigh, that was a super cushy GigWayn Newton was on that remember. I went to staple center to see you guyswhen you were in town 'cause noneqwas still considering doing it and theyrelike comeout nd, see t or she had just agreed to do it so she's like come out.Guess that was the other interesting thing about that stars came in and out,as you were, going yeah, it wasn't orer night wasn't the same thing. The twoweeks I was there. There was, I can't remember, exactly who was coming in andout, but it just seemed like it was kind of always moving, but I rememberbeing at tables in in way Newton and like Oh, what's this old guy going to be likeand that guy comes out in this, entire stadium of people are just just inthralled like he was like. Oh, this is old school he's royalty m, Oh my God,and it's just this presents just standing on stage bloome away. I I'mgetting chills just talking about it like just incredible. It's like thatwhol school entertainer thing T. I don't know that it exists anymore,really he's the guy that would like sing. L lovesetin like frank and Otrar,a thi he'll sing, you the sweetest, love song, but then he'll kick your assin a rier. He has thi Ey image, but he's nice, it's just a weird mafio,maybe presents, I don't know sure yeah, but thew Wain was super cool. He was.He was one of my favorites from all those tourists. Se, it's a super nicefriendly guy. He had us all over to his house in Vegas. We had day off in Vegasand he had a little like barbecue, I want say barbecue, but it was like youknow his catering staff cooked fylike.

He has this huge ranch in Vegas and itwas cool. He just he's just a Suber, nice guyhs wife is really nice and theyere. They were just. You know, a joy to be around Oa of act and I think theother thing about those guys there wasn't any like. Oh, I gotto sing thissong again, like he's Goingna C, do Duncashan and he's going to do it withall the joy that Lo lety's done every night and he's g. He Gion, I you know e.It feels like there's no bitterness or Jadin he's happy to be here. Do thissong again, yeah he's not like one of those guys that you would that W D goout there with a smile, then immediately get off stage and light acigarette a'd be like, Oh God, this sucks exactly he's like what you see onstage with him is like just him. People would always ask that they'd belike e,you know how is he offstage? You know, is he like dark and bitter andjaded, oris he just like genuine, like man he's just a nice guy? That obviouslyappreciates what you know: Opportunities He's had in life and yeah.You know was great grateful guy. You know and really nice the people aroundhim. Yeah Yeah, I can't say ot good things, yeah and as a musician andprofessional is like I'm always looking at the old guys and being like M, it'sjust a joy to see people still having fun. I got Hav the rolling stones acouple of years ago. Ah, and it was the same thing it's just like how manytimes have you played satisfaction, but I on't look like they're having aPalaze, you K, tod wintey're, still doing it and, like I don't know, I hopet at when I'm old, in playing a dive bar somewhere, I'm still enjoying ittotally. I tried to an I lookd, O people like that, just for inspirationas to just how I should be I yeah exactly and- and it reminds me of thirsone Um, this one instangran post I saw likeafter after a lot of shows, like I'm always looking at Instagram, just likePash Tag, whatever artist in playg was just to see. I there are a goodpictures. You know, N I emember on an air supply to her. I was like lookingat the air supply hash tag on instegram found this one post, and this guy saidthat, like he took, he took his girlfriend out on a date there as ajoke 'cause. He thought it was going to be like superlame like these old guys,singing hise, love, songs and, and he was just like Holy Shit. I can'tbelieve I'm saying this, but air supply kicked ass, like just he was like saida lot of good things about lgraman Rusta, how they talked to the crowd andstuff. I was just like yeah Coolan, like someone as just like surprised,like Mah. You know it's amazing back to somebody to just kind of like phone itin yeah, but then, when they like Kindof, really bring it tey're likeManyeh and they've, designed that show to not be cheesy. It's a great showlike I, I my my wife, my young wife, she's ten years younger than me so generally, the music I like is not themusic she likes and air supplies. Still. You know older music for me Inyeso, butI'm, like you, know, You'e, never seen the show you sh just haveo. They wereplaying close on Valentine's Day. Like his perfect see, Achs love show Valentin's days theday right, EA, but- and I just knew- and it Kinda happened- that the exactsame way by the end of the show she's like well all right, that's greatthey're, great performers, it's a great show and a lot of the arrangements havebeen. You know what you're talking about that. The other night th lot of t arrangements are a littleover the top they're, not like the record, but in the course of a show itkindof makes sense. You know, because you can't just sit and listen toballads yeah yeah two hours they had to make it exciting. They have to figureout a way to make make the songs exciting for a live. Show. Yeah K,owiy's one thing to put the record on, and you know you're you're having acandlelike dinner or something and it's appropriate. You know but like in alive show. Yeah like you can't just like play. Ballads and EAH expectpeople to like be enthralled. You Know Yep yeah, so I think it's a prettysatisfying, show Forin man for sure Ay. W should just talk for another threehours about how much I love Theirsi. Now Right Am iearding out too muchanyway, O man, we had a conversation uh,probably a few years ago about 'cause. I was in playing an wedding man,impulse kind of full time. You had left Toducei and stuff, and I was like well,I'm oe, I'm going to get out of debt, doing this wedding band and then I'mgoing to get back on the road 'cause. I had kindof done the road thing and I Itook some time off to get married and spend some time at home. You know, andthen I was bik four years and I'm like I got to get back on the road and I'mlike so this is my plan I'mgoint to do this and do that I'. Do that I'm goingto get back to the road and you were like you know, yeah, but the gigs comewhen they come y. You can't really force that situation or you don't justgo a get a gig necessarily and- and I was at the time I like I'm- not sureabout. If I, if I believe that or not you know what I mean like, I think yes,but I think intention is kind of important and like I think that whatyou do on a regular basis, just by being a professional and being outthere and talking to people and all that stuff Um, is how you continue toget GIG. So maybe you're not saying I'm going to play with the rolling stonesand you go get that Gig, but by sort of doing all the stuff that you do you you do get gigs, sir. You know what Imean sure it's not just. Okay, I'm ready yeah back at home, wait for thephone to ring. Then I mean I wish I wish it were like that to where like,when you decide, you want to go. Do A...

...good road! GIG You in go, get it. Youknow for me like chasing after a Gig, never worked like there were times when,like I hr, I would hear that you know somebodys put the bandagetther for touror something and I'd called the MD or something say I cam available thatnever worked for me th. The gigs that I got were just came up randomly from,like you know some other Gi I dit around town with somebody and they'relike hey. I think you know this might be happening. You know, would you beinterested in like yeah cool it'd? Be Great? You know, or just like somebodyjust thinking of me and recommending me, but I've never gotten like actuallygotten a gig by intentionally chasing it down. You know and I think Um. I think your right intention hassomething to do with it. If you're like putting yourself out there, if you'rekind of showing up around town, if people know that you're you're aroundyou're available you're, not on the road Um, you know that that can lead to people. Thinking of you, whenan opportunity comes up Rio briaand that, just you know, that's just kindof expanding your network. I feel like the more people you know and the moregood relationships you have with other. Like minded musicians, you'reincreasing your chances of somebody thinking of you when something comes upright, right, right, right, N, I mean it probably that's just how it workedfor me like I that that whole thing about chasing gigs,maybe that happens for some people. I feel like there's no right or wrong way.R, there's no definite way to make things happen in this towns, likeeverybody's, got kind of like a different way of doing things and whatworks for somebody might not work for somebody else, true, very true, yeah.Absolutely, and how much do you think this is something that as a jazz playerand then try 'cause? For me, I sort of really tried to transsition out of that'cause. I I did a lot. I was doing a lot of smooth jazz. I was in my wholeGrem for a while, and then I was plainily written hour. We opened up forKennyloggans and I watch Kennylog an play and I was like I'm a singer likehow did I get stuck in all this instrumental music, which is fun and itwas neat, but I'm like. Ah Man, I want to write songs and it just changed mywhole direction, and it took me a long time to get to where I am now, whereI'm playing W H A great singer, songwriter and I sing every night andthat's really kind of the the majority of the work on the Gat for me is justsinging I'm gon to play Bass. But it's a pretty traditional country gag, so th,it's it doesn't require a ton of chops as far Asour base is more of a singingbut um just transitioning from there there.Some of the things that that struck me is like for one. The look thing becomesa lot more important like in jazz. It was Kindo like if you had a cool shirt,just wear it every gay, because it's really about meading with your playingand you got to be a great player. And that's when I was my whole world for,like I don't know twenty years really, if you count Denver Um and then we get to a place where it'slike H, it's not exactly about the playing an I've found. If I go tomelrose and I spend fifteen hundred bucks on some clothes now, I'm gettingsome different kinds of gigs, you know does that feel. I know that you it. Youknow you you tend to. You, have a look when you're on stage and that'ssomething that you know it seems like you. You Ave put a lot of care intosure how how much? How important do youthink that is well compared to the base playing itself? Unfortunately, it'sreally important and for a lot of artists, it's more important, I' Learnethat you know, and it's not lecesaily a judgment. Call I'm not trying to callanybody out on Anytho real interesting to me that I had to shift gears in whatI was leading with sort of yeah. You know I got a shorter with a look firstfor sure before they're going to hear me play yeah, I mean a lot of artists.Choose their players based on pictures in videos like no one wants to hearaudio. They they don't say like. Oh, send me some IP threes or somethingthey say like send me. Some photos and videos and a lot of artists would justbe like yeah. He looks cool you know and t is unfortunate, because musicshould always be first and I've always thought that a' always approach music.That way to where, like that's the most important thing always but for a lot ofartists, it's more image. So you know you got to be flexible in that and thatyou ow you can you can um kind of fit within that artist's image and what what theywant? You know right Um. You know they want people t that looks like look likerockstars. You know yeah, and do you generally think about an artist whenyou're are you dressing per for the Gig? or You did you say? I'm Gong Ta justhave a look and I'm Gon t look bad ass. What you do think you're not hinting onyou remend you um and then I m, and then people aregoing to pick me or like when you we did. You have to well here's anotherconversation. Probably, but did you have to audition for Gwenstofani Yeah?Okay, so did you when you showed up? Did you think I need to dress like thatGig? Or did you just say this is my look, and this is what I' do I I hadalready kind of like gotten a look for myself that I liked like has time likewhen I was younger. I didn't really...

...know anything about clothes T I didn't.I just was unobserven when it came to that. I just Kinda wored jeans and tshirts and whatever and just didn't, really give a shit about it and histime went on, like I think when I was doing the L Naj Gig, I was working withan MD zoo. I don't know if you ever new zoo, yeah 'cause, I I went on a tourwith cor and blue and alley Naj right after you Guyat the tour that I wasn'ton yet that's right own. I saw that Erit was like l with drink bell right,oan blue in Allya, an I saw, tha that was going to be the summer turn like clsummer, Derek Yeah. Then I we that yeah, that that's when dancing with the starscaaund, I I just opted to go on that toer, but but zoo was the MD um on myfirst alleying ager and he was just totally into closes like that. GuyWould have like a stylust, bring him close to rehearsal and stuff like that,and I just saw how much he thought about it and, like you know, put intoit N. I was like you know what like I, it is important, like you know, you'reyou're, on stage you're you're expected to look like a rock star and like fromthen on. I started thinking more about clothes and paying more attension N inyou know, shopping more and looking at stuff, and I think I just got to apoint where I'm like. I found certain stuff that I like that I wascomfortable wearing that I thought looked cool nd, so I kindof likecreated my own kindo. Look, you know yeah Y A which isn't like over the top.I just you know you know the kind of clothes ut I like, like John Varveosand stuff, like I like kind of like rigtly exassive, like just kind of like upscale rockstar stuff, it's not oer the top Rike, you know I I never got into like thewhole hot topic. Look Kidlook! I just Kindo liked that adult rock star Kindo,look, you know, and so I just kindo like that. Just became kind of my thingyou know and so like when I go to audition for somebody. I just dresslike that. Like dress how I normally dress like that's how I dress when I goout, you know, and so I just KINDOF got to the pointI'm like you know this is h t this is kind of my look. So this is what I'mgoing Ta wear to the inretaurant. You know 'cause, I did Um overthink. Itforbid. I think I I did some auditions, where I would look at at the artist andlook at their bands like look at Youtube stuff before I auditioned to belike. Oh, these guys kind of dressd kind of outlandish, and you know that'sstage wardrobe, that's a little different, you knowright, but like Istarted to kind of overthink it, and I think I I think I went too hard on someauditions like with the way I dressed asa. I know that M. I did that on amacy gray, audition like 'cause, like her band Kindo, looks h. You know Kindakind, O Funky, you know like, and I kind of went a little bit over the topand like combat boots and suspenders and Shit, and you know Anithi Sauditionand I felt great about the adition and, like you know, knew all the stuff youknow got my backgrounds together and I could tell from the Gitgo that she justdidn't dig me she just what wasn't really giving me the time of day andshe told the MD just like that. I forget what she said, but itwas just don't see me viving with him and and and a D. I know it was justbecause I was like Kinda went too hard on the clothes. You know I overhout it.You know- or you know, if I just like, went as as myself- you know mm, maybeit would workd out, I don't know, but like yeah, I think I just kind ofoverthought it for a while and then just got to a place where I'm like youknow I like like this is the look I like and I'm just Gong to. If Iauaudition for something or do a Gig, I'm I'm Goinga wear this 'cause. Thisis how I feel comfortable y right yeah when you do a big Tourlicishi or a orGuan or something there's wardrobe. You know where I have. They have a certainlook they're going for and luckily they've they've, given us some freedomas well, and so they can just say well, this is the look. It's going to beblack. It's going to be this. We want like a military vivor. We want this Rthat we can just take those parameters and, like put our you know our stageoutfit together right o that is, cool yeah I've been having wardrobe for solong. I don'tee know I don't know how to dress myself anymore, H, yeah yehave,to t twite Wordro manoythat's Eh, we've got Ja, rhinestone, Jacke, yeah, yeah,yeah, it'ss, Really Cool Yeah! Well, yeah. I love it. 'cause, it's like oldschool country on the top hole we have skinny jeans and Beete Bryer riht, it'skinout. 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All ofa sudden mhm not really like Ho started a while back, but I didn't know you asa keybase player, but I feel like didn't you kind of start doing that inthe impulse Gig and I started doing it a long time ago. I think I started tolike in another coverband I was in Um and I just KINDOF got interested in itand also you know like pretty much on every pop gig. You would see thebaseplayer plank bas, so I think, like early two thousands I started gettinginto it and when I was in another Coverman, I was doing that and then Iwas in this original band forbid t at was like kind of like a cool jazz, hip,hop, lend thing, and I played a lot of keybase in that, and so when I joined impuse the weddingband M, I just started I I started bringing the kbase along, because wedid a lot of contemporary stuff and Seventi stuff that an key base, yearecordings- and I kindof looked at as as as an excuse to get my programmingtogether, get my plane together. I just figured like I'm using the coverbands,for that would yot kind of prepare me for the real world? U O, which I thinkis really smart, 'cause. I I generally don't enjoy doing that kind of work,but obviously y you got to it pays really well and if you know, if you'Rgood, it's a good thing to have if it's another Gig that I can do it's a smartthing to take that n and work on your skills there too, and use it forsomething bigger so that you're getting something more out of it than just th three or five hundred bucks that you'regoing to get an Hend. You know that's Kindof, how ive thought about thosegigs, like I mean sure it it', it's a good way to fill in the gas, so emoney's good. You know all that, but like I was like okay well, how can Itake this and and gain from it? You know not just monetarily a. How can Ihond my skills? How can I come out of these gigs being better than I wasbefore o I didn't need to. I didn't need to do any vocals and impolse. Youof four badassed lead singers up front so, like vocals were never required ofme. No one asked me to sing so I, like you, know what I'm going to just workon my sense base stuff. You know try to get my programming together. Try to youknow, match the sounds on the records and try to tr y. You know build alibrary. Ous sounds which I have and then that those all those sounds thatI've built from doing those gigs, like that's coming handy on other gigs likewhen I've had to do stuff with Gwanerchenia kind of programming, wasalready there for other. You know other tunes I had to program sounds for so yeah. I just Kinda always looked atthose gigs as as a way to Um holn my skills for something else, yeah 'cause.I I never wanted to stay there. I never wanted to stay like that, be my career.It was only Y, you know yeah, it's great for the time being and it's stillIni the gaps, but I wanna. I want this to make he better musician, somehowright, yeah and for me it was like the reading and that band that youmentioned before it a was pretty intense. So I was like well I'm goingto get better yeah and Bernie Dressel was on on it at the time and yeah justlike keeping up with him and reading those cards. It's like it. It wasreally it w s really really challenging after R, after going back and doing itfor a couple of years. You know it made me better yeah, absolutelythat's a good good thing, so you have probably one of the most extensivecollections of gear of anyone. I know he soun growing yeah. How many bases doyou th? Have you do you have an inventory list? I do. I think it'sbetween twenty five and thirty wow yeah A. I know guys that have more than that,like I've got a buddy in New York, who's m. He doesn't play for a living E's. A collector he's got like ahundred and fifty bases out andthen. It's like scattered everywhere. He'sgot like some on his in law's house. Some of his New York apartment he's gota Lakehouse of Massachusetts. He's got like fifty there wea we're alwaystalking. You know nerty about gear and st right right, but yeah. My collectionis Kinda has grown about yeah, maybe almost thirty, and so how do you pickwhat you're going to bring to a Gig Yeah? I just kind of think of what whatwould be the right. You know situation for the Gig, what kind of you know baseand he amp and effects, and all that Um...

...and a lot of times. If I, if I think,there's something better than what I have I'rl get it. You know like that'susually when I, when I buy instruments, is when I have a Gig Ri. I don'tusually buy 'em when I'm just like you know not working 'cause, that's badtime to a on young gear. At last, e have two necks right unless covet hitsand you're drunk looking on reverb and you see a double neck, steinberger copyyeah I mean I haven't done that, but somebody I'm Goingto, I know E. I went to dinnerairplace the other day and I meant to try to play out Oka I about all aboutit. Yeah nothin like that Goin to play that Bas tat just lo time and it'sfretless on the top yeah yeah read it o the bottm yeah, which to me is like agreat idea. It'd, be I mean I don't know about the stinburger part, butItwoud be a great smooth jazz base because you could go back. You knowsure UST yea, how to change bases yeah, I'm like the opposite. I'm like a onebassed dude like I have now. I have a five stream that you' got a bunch here.Yeah I have like ten but Um, I more. I use 'em in recordings or Therre, justolder bases like that modulus over there and I'm Min O now. So I'm point Oanyway. That was like my main, smooth jazz base forever and endorse herawesome. But then I got the sting Ray Yep and I r that for another five orsix years as all I played and then I got offendered jazz five string, that'skind of my still my main axe and I have the P- that's five string, but um, but so it makes it easier for me, and Ialso think that's another thing that sort of struck me once I got out of thesmooth jazting 'Caus, the smoot jazz in particular, it's like affuse to have acool tone. That's who you are I feet like, whereas now I'm in the country'sthing and it's like, Oh, you need a p base with flat wounds, and you mean youknow, there's certain sounds from certain records and that's what or or modern rock you know it's muchmore like. No. I want that vintage sound from that thing and that thingwheras. I feel like the smooth, jast thing anyways or contemporary jazz.It's like no you're Kindo, hiring me for that base. Sound Yeah. You know youcan kind of. U Have One base, Nat, be your sound and that's you W wh you're,not trying to really emulate record or revive or anything right right right.So are you listening to a record when you're yeah, you know trying to decideyou're listenin the record yeah yeah usually- and I mean you know in mostcases the artist doesn't really know where care like. I me I could get awaywith playing the Shinia Gig on one base. I could play a five Strang jazz orsomething I'd be fine rightbut. Also with that GIG I can't have haveseveral bases. Like we've got, you know I've got attack, they can do handoffswith me and maintain everything for me. Um Th re there's never been like alimit as to how much gear I can store anything like that. You ow, so it'sKindo like I, I can do different bases, so I do um I play I play. You know afew different forms of P bases on that gig different tunings, there's a fewthat I m few songs that I play tune to step down. Ther're still t bas butbunder like ou, know Rochoirlo D, so so I use I use the P based tune to stepdown for maybe like five songs nd, they standard tune p based for some of themore traditional country stuff. She does that's, maybe like three songs andthen I don't really love playing fovestring.I I play it when I have to but a lot of this stuff with her was recorded in H,nineties and it and it hadn't on low stuff. You know the Lono, so yehactually four strings at Ar tuned bead. I've got two different forestrings tone,bead and then actually one for a couple of songs, they've been knocked down ahaue step, so they're in be flat, so I tuned don to be flat e. So I can like,on the end, hit like a thunderous low, beaf yeah cool, that's con as Ik yeah,like I said like I could get away with one base on that gag. If I wanted to,but I D T I don't have to yeah and for me like playing some of the more rockstuff or country stuff with her. I I want to play a PE base, so you know ifI have to play Pbas Tun to step down like that's, that's great got ya Um andthen with Glen therewas Kindof like two sounds basically like horsolo stuff, alot of itis like Kinda. You know more modern pop and I play five string onthat. I've got um music, ment sterling five that I playon that and that's just standard and then like for emulating Tony from nodoubt. I need to have something this a standard tune that just kindo haspreyou, know aggressive tone, yeah Um, so I'm I'm playing a couple ofdifferent Fano forstring bases Gocyo on that M. that's coand! But again it'slike. If I wanted to t play one five string on the whole Glen Gig. I couldshe wouldn't know the difference Rit here, but just because I can. I have atech that again will hand bases so yeah because I can, like you know, use a fewdifferent things: Yeah Cool Godo and I I borrowd your forestring on theAirsippihi Bry, my five and then Youre. I never played it. So I shouldn't sayborrowed, but you offered, so I was like well I'll. Just have it there forthe back up. Do you remember what you? What songs you played that forstring onversus the fiver? Did you mostly play...

...the four? I mostly played the four goand I would have played that if it were just left up to me, I would have playedthat whole gionafor, because all the Airspli hit to me that was don in theseventies and eighties. That's all pebased, pretty much. You know I hadthe guy who was on the GIG before me. He was there for about sixteen yearsand it was all five Straingan Ra lot of low los low stuff that I like. I wouldhave approached it differently because they were used to that. I had to comein with the fivestring, so there were some tunes that I felt I could just getaway with. Playing forstering like lost in Love was one Goas. It's all a blur at this point,yeah, it's Ashton, anywayso. I I just tried to get away from the five string.Even with them. I played my basis tuned down. I played my pbase was T. was thatLan p base that was tuned, Tun, Ta step down and my five strn was a step townas well, Oh wo, and that was just because they had like, I think, one or two songs that had likea low. It was an a or B flat and I just thought it was cool as k hit thatThunderos Lono at the end. U Yeah and R very much about low endtotally yeah yeah, but I tri you know I don't I don't love staying in thatregister on a five string like I said I play Fiv from when I have to so, like Ikind of got away from that, but I couldn't get away from it completelyyet e they were so used to that nd e Uy who had been doing it was there sixteenyears so ididn't I didn't want to come Ip with something completely new yeah.You know yeah. Definitely Um yeah, yeah, that's a tricky part about you knowcoming in to any situation. It's like there's the record. Do they want itlike that, or is it there's the old baseplayer who's been there Buti? Do itlike that and it's like figuring out the balance between and then, where areyou and all of this yeah? And I always ask that when I start yeah start toGivu what what did you like or dislike about the guy before right? You know'cause, they might be like. Oh he playing that five streing, all the timeI hated it. Then I ra then I would have been like okay forestring. I think we THEREPPI was probably likeyou know. I just ind asked and they they were kind of indifferent, but theMD Eron was probably like wethey're going ta used to this. Maybe you knowtry to stay with that UN, but you know with like Shnaor Gen like they don'treally really nont or care. You know long as it sounds like the record rightso um you had a solo album a while back. I did about ten years ago, which Ithought was really great, actually listening to it today, Jo Itoremember,again great players and stuff, and I remember like watching you at Kafy,Corny Alwen and buying a eight track yeah. Was It only a great idea? Yeah,it was just like a packaging thing. It was like I had these download cardsthat the artwork interfaced, with the with the labels that I had made forthese eight tracks. The attracts weren't, like my music, wasn't on the athe ATRAC was just fancy packaging for the O, the Rowndload Card whatover, youhanded to me and I'm like I don't know, what's on it, but hereyeah I mean Ijust bought like. I just went to the first store by my house and like boughtall the eight tracks they had. They JUS CT my own labels, an I had a graphicdesigner make labels oi just put the labels on the et track, affixed thedownload card to it and then shrink rap that I got a little shrink wrapper andI a kind of a fine way like O fune way to package. It yeah totally. Really,but it was a great record too htout, O great players. Thank you, yeah SteveFerrony. On that I had him. Do One track: Yeah, crazy yeah. How did that?Well, I I had briant Auger a dthree wayer on he. I TOUDET BRIAN FOR YEARSand Steve Eroni was was in Bryan's band, briant Auger's, Oblivin EXPRESSD, youknow see it was a drummer Steven, rinr real tight and I I hadn't done muchplaying with Steve. Maybe I had won record with him or something maybe aGig or something but um, because I was going no brian on this one track. Itwas kind of a Brian Feature. I kinda wanted to get Steve on it. 'cause. Youknow just have some of that yeah whole school living, express five yeah, soyeasted Cim and played that w Ryan Yeah Yeah I mean tons- are great playerscheck it out? It cald let the Games begin, but you also told me the otherday. I don't know if you're announcing this, what you ere you're working on anew record, Yeah Yeah I've been been writing during quarantine. It's alwaysbeen n. The back of my mind that I need to do another another Sola project, andthis is a good time to do it. So I've just been kinda kind of writing wh whenI feel creative that hasn't been everyday but, like you know, wh, whenit's flowing I've been come up with some tunes and already said a datealready hired a producer, an studio and Um, really Stoke Jim Scott is going toproduce it. He like produced all the Tadeski truck ban record o Nice didsome stuff with like Tom, petty and Wilco and like tons f people, hisresumes like Y, it's crazy. I did. I did one session at his studio about ayear ago, just a record as a as a sashion player, and it's amazing. It'sjust like a playground, vintage gear and I was kindaf like you know, when itcome down to a record, I want to call Jim and see if we can make somethinghappen, and luckily he was he was into it. So I think we're going to go in atthe end of June, beginning of July, an ATS awsome trank this out. So then, Ohave to come back on cool P, O placone t yeah would loke to so. Is it going tobe the same kind of more jazzy stuff or...

...it's it's going to be instrumental kindof Um, instrumentacl, groove kind of stuff, um kind of similar to like someof the some of the Groove altms that John Scofield did like Jonscovield bandlike Ouber Jam? U Bump! There's two elms have been kind of an influence.Obviously it's going to be a little bit more base focused Um. It's going tohave some elements of like instrumental government, Mule and Black Crows, likesome of that kind of like southern rock luzy kind of stuff as well. Um Cooall,old school vintage, like you know, p Bas like I'm, not M, not doing anyslapping on it or anything it', no going to be pretty pretty old schoolkind of so so do you slap much anymore? I don't think that I've slapped on aGIG for Yeahabe ten years een, a gone out of style everywhere, exceptThi, smooth jazz world yeah slapping is alive and well in Thi Moothayeah, butit's like you'e spent so much time learning how to do it. Yeah and it'sjust like. I don't even remember the last time I I had to do. No, I I mean Igot really. I got really into it for a while, like I mean Mas Melers, stillone of my favorite eers ever in Larry, Graham Thats, who I incorporated someof that on my first alum, but this sout, I'm not yeah, I'm kind of in adifferent place, yeah, and it's just like it's just not s, not in styleanymore, yeah. No, it's like people always make fun of it. Now Yeah I waslike. Oh, you know: That's old music. I know Kinda yeah like slapping andfrentless ere like two things that they that are fun, but I've spent a lot oftime on better, just not in style right now. Yeah, you know, but I think, likekind of the old school old school group stuff will never really go out a styleyeah. You know a p base with Blat wounds will never go out O s rightexactly. I know I got to get one of those more gear, yeah exactly yeah. Iknow the recording thing is we really gets fun to me to start switching up,and you know I got plugin for days of all kinds of amps. I can use an acouple in here. You know yeah, but I don't know the live thing. I guess I'mjust lazy about it. Really. I just want to go out and just have it there andjust play and go home. Luckily, like the way technology is nowlike. That's that's easy to do like you can bring a kemper or a line six yearswith Youn get very much any sound yeah any sound. You can imagine. I I usekempers on t undegwananchatours mean thinks theyan have any cabinets at all,no just all stage Kempers and men. Those thing sound, so good, yeah, it'sa magic box can sound like any, am or any effect great. It's like you can take that toany GIG like any local gay. You can bring bring little temper with you andhave every sound you need. You know: MM Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. Well, thingsare common man Mam, it's lessure pleasure hanging out and chatting yeahand Ras baseplayers. We don't you know, I mean y. u you tend to entertainsometimes so I get to see you, but it's not like we undegeneral basebayst,don't have YEA Youdn't end up on a GIG together, Wer, no Ja together, yeah,it's it's always a pleasure Um being able to talk to you in TotenpaseAndtiwisic. So, like Ha men, and I think you have a lot O offer becauseyou're super successful you've come out to L A and done it. Do you feel likeyou've made it? No! No! No! I feel like any musician.You ask like we'll say the same thing like I. I feel good about where I'vegotten like I've gotten to where I wanted to be. You now, like I came herejust KINDOF, wanted to tour the world with with big pot stars or big bandsand I've gotten to do that. You know, but I want to keep doing it. You know Idon't feel like I've Ma. I don't feel like I've reached some pinnacle whereI'm like. Oh, I can stop now. I I mean sure I could I mean I can look backsaying you know what I had some great experiences and played with some greatpeople, and that was great, but I don't feel like I've like reached the top ormade it you know yeah. I feel like I've. Just I've gotten to a point I my career,where I want to be, and I just Wan to Ke, I wanto sustain it. I want to keepdoing it yeah, you know yeah. I think that's that's true too, and it's funny'cause. You look at some guys d like...

...lease clar or something o like this.Guy Must never worry about anything. 'cause he's been on every record andhe's got his great career, but I'm sure, there's days when he's like, I don'thave a Gig and you know it's like, Oh sure, that's the nature of being aprofessional musician, you're sort of never done. You know I als used to sayit's like they don't tell you yeah, you got to pay your dues, but they don'ttell you Thay, you never really stop paying your Tru. You Know Anne fromplaying a stadium of twenty thousand people to playing some dudes backyardparty in a week, solutely and then back to the stadium, and it's like that'sreally what it is, but I think it comes down to just the fact that we all lovedto play. You know I didn't I didn't come ut. I didn't come to L A to makeit. I came to L A and play music. You know I was Gying to think M. I thinkmost most musicians will say the same thing like they didn't come here tolike get famous or get rich. So maybe some did, but I think just tebo wins.We all just came out here to play and make whatever we could happen happen.Ow Yeah, you know no sure, that's Kindof the the bottom line like I, youknow, if I'm not on tour playing stadiums like I would love to go to afun Bar gig and and I'd do that t yeah intown, like I got a couple like justkindo local bargigs like die bar gigs right. You know dive Bo Rock S, youknow ir just fun. I mean I got to the point where Um the gigs, I do, even if they're likeBargis they're fun with great people yeah, I'm not doing those gigs, becauseI have to because I need the hundred bucks in Er. I know so. There arecertain bands and gigs that I want that. I won't do that. I kind of feel likeI've. I've been there done that, but that's another great thing about l a isthat you walk into any die barn generally. The musicians are high levelyeah, that's the cool thing. It's like I've got. You know tons of friends asyou do too. That are just you know, touring professionals that will thatwill do fun bargage from time to time. It's a blast Y, no yeah, yeah yeah!Well, that's awesome. Man Wel you've definitely made it in my eyes willthank you. Things are coming over thing preferbeing on the show. I was oing. Let's do it again. All right sounds greatsweetman I tell you Derek is one of the greatest guys and one of the mostprofessional people that I've ever met or ever worked with or sort of forsubbing for 'em Um, and I think that's my biggest takeaway or the thing thatUm I loved about it. Derrek is one of the most prepared people, I've everknown, and sometimes that's enough just to get you the Gig over a more wellknown or maybe even a more skilled guy. Sometimes I mean derk is extremelyskilled, but that little edge of showing up knowing the material orcharting it all out for people Um. It really can put you over the top as faras getting gigs, because at the end of the day we're talking about a job. Youknow this is Um. This is what it is. It's a job. Peopleneed you to do a job, so they don't always need the the most incredibleflashy player. That was all the crazy chops. It's really good to have thosedon't get me wrong, theyre, pretty important, but Um. At the same time,preparedness is something that's often forgotten by some of the best guys Imean it's, I'm not going to name any names but you'd be kind of surprised,an some of the people that Um fail to just be prepared and just show to theGIG man and ready to go. You know t's such a tricky, weird thing, but Derek S,just a really famulous guy when it comes to all of that stuff and he's agreat hang and it was really great to having him on the show. One thing I'd like to clarify is thatair supply is really gram wrestele and wrestle hitchcock, and they have a aband that they're they're loyal to and stuff. But when we were saying thoseguys are, then I think we were mostly talking about those two guys who foundethe band and wrote all the songs and saying all the songs, but they have afabulous band. Eranla cleans their musical directors ID definitely go seethem, but just just wanted to clarify that. I hope you enjoyd the show Ireally enjoyed making it and h we'll talk to you on the next one. Wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to Sta nformed of new episodes live events andGeneral News, please go to dive bar rock star, DOTCOM and sign up for themalinist. If you have any questions, comments, corrections or complaintsabout anything you hear on the show. Please email me at fan: Mail at Divebar,rock star Dotcom, and you may even end up on the show we at the Divar RockStar Pot. As with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember.It's all about dreams.

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