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Episode 1 · 1 year ago

Chad Wright- "The Secret" to his Success (Bruce Hornsby and the Noisemakers, The Jacksons, Michael Bolton)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Drummer Chad Wright talks about his experiences playing with Bruce Hornsby and the Noisemakers, The Jacksons, Tina Marie, Rick James, The High School Musical Tour and many other artists. He reminisces about growing up in Atlanta with his twin brother, Chay, and their journey to Berklee College of Music in Boston, MA. Chad opens up about pivotal moments in his career and how he stays on top through hard work and practice.

Live with Bruce Hornsby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHF2iOnfXs

Bruce Hornsby: Absolute Zero

https://open.spotify.com/album/5Zks2SZNQAw4NYlUhVEE85?si=BVMjpX_NSUSpTE8NkJqA1A

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...mom and dad they will play P. I think that's good s a good day forCayeah. You know everyone should at least know something about music,exactly you're going to be an accountant eventually wo. You know what well TAT's very true yeah and piano,also procussive PC. So there was definitely a lot of banging, as mygrandmother would call it. I she had no idea what was to come. You Wan justwait: they'll be more banging yeah, Waitti Yo, see my next instrmentEA and now for my next trick and Youare also in Um, marching band,no, the Marchipan yeah. I have that in comment. 'cause I was Avat indcom and Iactually taught drum line at my high school for another nine years after Igraduated Wase Drum instructor whic. You know, coincidentally, the firstinstrument I ever played and marching band was not drums. It was trumpet metoo Lau, see etrame. That's why there's three of us in this relation exactly that'LD, be explained: Yeah E,H, exact, W T, yeah m an and actually in middle school,I an elementary school. I started playing trumpet and then M my sixthgrade year, my aunt, my mom's youngest sister, was in high school and m. She talked their Ban Director Anto,letting my brother and I bein their marching band. It's like little mascot,and so we hav funny. So here I was. It was great exercise because Um therewasn't too much reading involved. There was reading involved for the most part,this ban that their arrangements from ear so N N. I trained my ear, reallywell right playing in that marching ban yeah and my dad made a deal with me. Et'slike I'll. Let you play in Drumline, but you got to play trumpet and like Concert Bank Concert, yeah andPoni, I could play drums and jazzband. I could play drums in Marchand band,but I have o pup the trumpet and other yeah I actually played well. I Iswitched a base eventually, but h I, but I did drumline in theMarchman that I played trumpet through Sophomore Year. Ind The orchestra soand it would be like everyday, but we never really needed horns and Turneinto a sympany. Then I'd be one of the guys yeah switched to any other brasswhile you were in there. Well, no, my my brother played saxophone for abouteight seconds and h. So when he got it, though I was like. Oh that's cool, so Igrabbed it immediately. andjust flew through his book. You know a like. Youknow. I wasn't everany good at it, but for a second it was around. I rememberI I we had a a talent show at at schoolcalled Pops Festival at high school, and somebody was doing Cocabo by thebeach boys and so Iwas like Oh play, the sax, sellow and ive played it withthe audition and they're like Um. We Love the act, maybe not so much. TheSAX slikeall right I'll go back to base yeah, so I didn't really pursue it, andyou mentioned that you have a brother. Idhe looks just like me. Es were twinsexactly I'm. He erlatertaxtand now he's a guitar player, so his sacks playingwit as well as mind, did it sounds like I don't know, but you eve R ache, he'sa guitar player and H Wev. The three of us have done tons of gigs together aswell Nokid, and so that's that's cool that you've had the whole journey haskindof been with him, with the exception of you, moving to l, a andhim staying in Boston, but you've. Not He not done this alone. It's kind ofright were you always playing together. I think playing together was haphazard and in other words like N N,obviously middle school and high school. We had a band togetherand and then thebands, whatever in high school Um. When we got to El, we went to Ur FirstCollege. We played in all theon samples.Together we got to Berkeley, you could see a split. He was film scoring majorwrong. I'm sorry I'm wrong. He was business management major he started.He wanted to go in te films score an and then he decided he wanted to gointo the business side g that being set. He was always produceen engineer, andso his focus was always in production and engineering right of some sort inwriting and mine at Berkeley. Even though I started out at...

...as an MP Ad Major, I switched toprofessional music Om, so yeah, so at Berkley we we didn't really play a lotto get, which is funny actually because that's the first time I saw both of youguys and it just seemed like every recital I went was both of you in theband wow. So to my from my perspective, I was like. Oh, this was the twinsagain, a n, probably one year, one yeah. I was only there for a year O thatWTHAT wouldbe the year yea, so w ere w e did you always have your sides onBerkley or Yeah Yeah Yeah Um, the conversation my senor year in highschool was I'm going to go to Berkley and my mom and dad were there and theyhad a. There was a financial guy that came to the house and with the Book ofall the colleges- and you know this is tuition for this college as Thi tuitionfor that college, and I specifically he'll deny it, but I specificallyremember my dad saying no fucking way that Wa yeah yeah yeah, you know because you now all kindof blown away like this is Ivy League. This is harvr level right. We didn'teven think about it until that moment, but Um do you get scholarships andstuff or yeah? I got a partial scholarship yeah, which help so do youthink it would was worth it? The money o Yeah I get into conversationsw a lotwith the Germe that I play wit. Currently, just about 'cause he's kindof a finance guy on the shde too and nowwadays you ere, going to come out ofBerkeley with a hundred and twenty grands where Wer the Desk Ono, I'mstill CA. My Scouson, my my student ons off wow yeah wow, that's Y, a that'sincredibl where you said so he's always like. Don't do it, but I'm always likeI get where you're coming from, but for one education's important, and this isa business where you can easily just be like. Oh, I play pretty good guitar andthen you can make a living and- and you can do it, but the guys that are at thetop. Most of them are educated at at this point. Yes- and I look at it likethis to as I teld evil, even when Berkeley calls me to get to donatemoney every year, I'm sure call ye right, Um, yeah and tha that kid on theother line is going hey man am I going to be able to liverigtyeah doing I mhmit's cool for me to t assure them. Yes me. Obviously you dowhat we did in anybody else out here who had any sort of success you work hard, but to me the networkingat Bergley Yeah, as in any college mhm, is what it's all about at the end ofthe day. That's what to me college is all about the agreeis there, which Idid not get ri a D. It's not like you're, not going to get great musicalexperiences there too and intense US exactly e with those experiences come network. Ifyou man your, if you make an impact somewhere in a zone there, that network will take you through the restof your career and so many guys. Obviously, I'm dropping AHEAP at thehigh school musical band right that was mthat was five out of six guys who allwent to Berkeley at the exact same time right, yeah, exactly yeah. That's what I say too then thatworking thing or if you look at Um the guise on the voice that band mostof those guys went to school. They we were all there together, rig and thosethose friendships and those connections and stuff they last a lifetime yeah. Ifyou let him yeah and you come to town with already a network of people thatyou can kind of plug into like I wis, I can't remember the guy's name that was thehead of the Berkeley Lawhen I got here. But you know I went right to Egord Yeah Petergart exactly Iknew it was like a famous guy's name, but not that Peter Gordon Anyway, mbut H, yeah ohpeter, an Gordon,is the name of a band from the sixties. I was like Oh that's anyway, um so anyways. It's cool to be able tocome here and plug into those people, and when you get here too there's theMiami University guys there's you know, there's the Berkeley, guys, there'sthere's the north Texas gy. You know, there's t little pockets of people thatyou can kind of plug right into so and in the end of the day I only went therefor three semesters, so my debt was paid off a long time ago. I'd say for yeah, but a lot of people don'tgraduate O, but even just being there and being able to network and beingable to have a number by your name. Ninety three, an Kowis when I, when Igot out of there Um you know it it matters, and it's probably worth someof the money and, like you know, work hard, get scholarships. I don't knowgrades, that's the whole deal, but I'm always thist like education. Knowledgeis power. You know what I mean like I'm such an old school guy, about that and-and I also always say like the better-...

...you are the more gigs you can have themore skills you have, the more kigs you can takeand. You know knowing how toread and stuff like that yea. You Know Ho Y. Don' t underestimate the reading,as I teld young folk right, yeah exactly yeahtotally. So after that you stayed in Boston for a while. I stayed in Bostonfor a while Um. I got my last semester there. No secondonlast semester, H, Nether, a great based player, H, Damon Ebner,who he and I friended each other throughoutschool. He came to me one day and he says: Hey, there's just band in Boson.This cover bend, they're looking for pase and drum replacement. The old guyswere leaving and doing audition with me, and it was funny because- and we canget into this later about metaphysics at the time I didn't know anythingabout beterphysics. I just remember like maybe a day or so before. Seeinghim. I said to myself any rockket, becausemy playing it was really good, really solid, and Iwas listening to a lot of you know pop Um, R and B and kind of contemporaryjazz, but I realized that I needed an edge and I wasn't going to get it and Ineeded to get the edge on the spot, like you know, on the job trainingright yeah and I knew it would come from brock, MHM and so um I just went. This is a perfectopportunity. Whether I get the GIG or not. The least I can do is learn themusic try and learn it exactly the way the guy played it on the record. Enrigo from there right, so we go in and we we, we H, audition in one of theteedroom tearooms Syou whoa millin, that one fiftymeniknow the tearoom Li lots of hours in there yes and Um, so we startedplaying he stuff in it and it felt good. The first thing the producer said afterwe play was yeah. Okay, that sounds good and siled and then he's man. Inotice you got this thing he's like your snare is just just back behind andit was funny because it was something I was working on. It was something that Ipicked up from John Bonam, the English Rit, as is Don Right Ne, just behind I'm not doing that now, although I'vebeen working on getting that back, so he picked up on that and then we playedanother song and as we're playing, I dropped the stick in my right hand, so I just started playing the pattern withkick and snare and I was playing quarters with my high had foot uh andhe stopped. He said yeah, that's it right. There nokay cool wo, so we got the GIG and Um,and then I stayed with bark for Um Til. It was Ninetyfour la it was fallonninety four and that Wason Cat Toms catons Mak morrs and caftoon Ra, whichwould Um Morf into and more I mean we had duepersonality h, the and Morse so cathin's was the cover band and Morriswas the original B cool, so it Wasou alter e maltern and obviously, if youcame to, we would do just more shows where we just play the original stuff.And then you know, obviously the originals will get morfed into a cat oset an the band. What's interesting about this bantisband was one of the most popular cover bads in New Englandright so um an people still tell you. This lines were rapped UNON. Whateverbuilding we were playing, wile Um people trying to get in to see the bandright Um it was just it was a fun. It was a fun and exciting bad. I can't saythat I contributed t that, because that started, I think, fifteen years beforeDamon and I got in the bier, so it was kind of a big deal to get the GIG thatwabecause he knew about them e. well, I didn't know anything. I didn't knowwhat the Fuckor catoones Wat the way he wereindown in those lines oManwdamon presented. It was heyman. How would you like to make? This is no ie?How would you like to make seventy five bucks? A GIG ion five nights a week wow and a coverbet hm and I went yeah. I I er like seventy five bucks, and so so once wegot the GIG markgets talking to us about money and all I zoned in alwas,seventy five bucks, a Gig Thatmen,...

...that's pretty good, rigt and in zone onthe part where you said, and then after two weeks I give you a raise. I doubleit ohw and after that two weeks I doubledthat well, so so you're making bank. So by the time the the winter of ninety five comesAroundi'm, bringing in maybe one fifty two hundred a gig wow. By the time thatI left the GIG in two thousand hm I mean I know I was easily Y. I know. For fact, I was making threeseventy five Chese befour hundred a Gig, that's pretty good for a Covermanpreprem at o career and and cre right. Exactly you had attackand Stuffyeah,that's that's amazing! Wow! So did YOU ENJOY BOSTON? I mean you moved. Obviously I enjoyed the the experiences of BostonN. I didn't too much care for the city. It's funny 'cause. I still don't caremuch for the city in in terms of terrain NEMS of weather, rigthing thatI will always carry with me or theexperiences people that were there in my life from the school, so my firstwife Simark and the guise and the bed in friends that I met along the way, alot of great music there and the Great Music Yeah, and it felt like comparedto if you were in New York or something for what it's going to cost waey moreat the time, the city's, still not the safest place in the world. Boston waslike the Safer d nicer. A little more laid back place is a college town.People are there to learn. You know it's. A totally different Vive thanpressure is a little less. You know than a town like la or New York, whereit's like. No now you're competing with Dave Weckel. You Know N Boston, you're,like no everyone's, there sort of d figured out and Helpng each other andthere's like a community there. That IA feels like that, that's cool. So, buteventually you decided, you had to go ye en. I ean the weather is a sayingman th. You know that the weather was a verybig factor so morris the band was picking up momentum, we put out a CDand it got some attention from some reckerd labels. Nice and I thought okay,this is cool. This is like my Kinny Aranoff affact part of a Pan, and thenthis gets me to the next level and then I can go offand I can do my thing ride. Hem there right and Um. We never really pursued the next level HM. For whatever reasonI don't know, I've never really asked Bark. We were big fish and a little pon and Isometimes we're all comfortable with that, but I gottento a point where we were playing the same places every night and I'm seeing the samefaces, which is cool mm. Don't get me very appreciative of the situation showI was yourn Um and you're in a vetty big pond yyou're a big fish in a prettygood size, Ponb, where you can make a living still ex. You know plush IUR ontheast coast. You can go anywhere, you know an, and so with that the band we were exploring musically a littlebit wh wewee kind of Brougting things out a little bit, but I had realizedone night Um I got, I gotto go to the next Teang and it could have been youknow, seeing my friends on TV playing with whoever or you know talking to hem,and they got this great tour, Blah Blah Blah, and so I knew I was I'm like, andI had gotten to the point. I was satisfied with where my plane wasbecause at that point 'cause I always do athree month mark and I'm always trying to get better.There's been some times where I haven't, and I've addressed that but b t thiswas one where I wanted to. I knew I got the edge right now, I'm ready to go Gosha and I wasthe think about l, a Lok I didn't want to come out here without haven't the edge hm so and why L A andnot New York, ' another councry jungle, indeand, Ga the weather, I'm not a bandof snow. I've lived in snow long enough even before Boston as a kid we lived in Chicago forlike three years, Mhm I'd see Unde Hom, my gosh yea. Forget it yeah. I know I'moriginally from Denver. I I just I was out F my friends podcasts from Denverlast week, as you know, interviewing or whatever as a guest, and I said thesame thing and like I just had to get out, I as tarde of the weather, sort ofdictating your life like when it's a...

...blizzard and the club's don't open.Then you can't work o know that never happens here. No, so I never see snowagain, I'm totally fine, but I never even thought about it until I got toBerkeley and met people that their big dream was going to L A and I was like-I don't even know what that is yeah I was originally from New York. I wasborn in Pakipsi and my ole family's there so growing up as a kid in dender,Ou wa. My whole goal was J. get to get back to New York. You know got to gowhere the people are and whatever, but but yeah then I actually just took awell. I was then I went back to Denver AU to Berkeley and worked there foralmost ten years and La's, not that big of a different sort of youknow. Some of the towns in Denver are the pieces of town in Denra, a r name,the same stuff like the streets and so coming out here and then just theweather was like. Oh Man, I gotto be here Ye. This is instantly. I was likethis. This is man yeah, my first nine months here it never rained once it was alwaysa gorgeous day. No just thinking like yeah, I know I remember going on abeach on like December. Second, I'm like man, everyone at home, isreason right now and I'm looking at Dogiis. What I want. I alsa rememberlike going through the hills. You know 'cause, I'm from Colorado, so mountains.So I I look at some of these driveways that are steve a like man, how they dothat in the winter. Oh wait a second. There is no wil erlike this is amazing, but yeah, but not only that, though, it's like it's, the same type of thing is Bostonor new yo you go out any noither week and just get your ass kicked theasomany great players and they were playing the music I liked, and thisthis place is kind of A. I always wanted to be a road guy. I I likedstudio stuff, but I just wasn't 'm more about travel, an hotels and liveaudiences and and l a is more of like the players are out all the time whenthey're, when they're home they're plans even go right up to 'em and getgigs, you know what I mean or like offer your services, whereas Um other towns like Nashville, you go outand it's more like songriters everywhere stuff, so you have to sort aand they tour a lot. So the touring guys aren't necessarily playing out athome all the time they're, not always home. You know Um not impossible,obviously, but in N L A it was just more like this is where you go to get aRod. Gig O know that's exactly I was at Berkley. I was torn between studio andlive because now you know and and particularly well Steve Dan is thereason why I play drums anyway, W at five or six years old is when Idiscovered Steve, Gab and ad processed, yet what he did as far as was it a roadthing or was it a studio thing? I just heard him and when I I gotta get that,but when I got into middle school and started getting marten drummer andstarted, you know really listening intently to records. I was always had in my mind that I would bein like a pop band Notrandran, but then I would be the studio guy. You know soI would be like bag, basically a Jef, Bacaro or but those were my heroes inmiddle school and high school, like Jeff, Bacaro, Jr, Robinson, Rilarry,Londonm, U Gus and and the reason why they were myheroes at that point was I started to realize they were playingon so many records and they were so. The records would be vastly different,so it could be an RMB record. Oud be a country recrirock rgew, and these catswere just chameleons, yeah, myhared, all those n, and that's when I wentokay, maybe I want to be the studio guy and that's when I started playingeverything f when I got to Berkeley and I realized how much I enjoyed playingout yeah a an you know. What maybe maybe this thing, this touring thing isa a thing and then the draw machine was so prevalent when we were coming UITHAT.I did see a decline in sussion stuff, exactly without evenbeing a part of it, just as a young person going yeah yeah the world'schanging yeah. That's where luckily most bans at the time. Even though youhave the draw machine record, you've still got gotta G Knowmcdoa. That'sright me, daughte have the best. You know players in the world, even thoughit's a you know. Half the music at the time she was putting out is allsequence yeah, but like Omar Hakeem is playing it. You knowor or or Um John, the Marfet or Um Um...

Tony Thomson, and those were like threeof my favorite guys hereand. These were guys that were Um. These were guys that were heroes ofmine with JR and Pacarro and Larry London and Mikebeard, because I knew of them playone style of musicand then I find out homark Kem is playind on lest dance yeah or he'sPinng on money for nothing right yeahor. You know that is market plane on Um,open your heart, so yeah Elli think that's why we hit itoff 'cause! That's that's the other thing too, like basin drums to me in myhead as a producer as a player, it's like, if I o, got a drummer, there'snothing whole theres, nothing. I can do Creao Bas and I'm a prustrated drummer,so it's like, but it's also that diversity, because it's funny that yousaid a big pot band like Drandra of all the potbands, you could have picked ahuge drand. Rand Fan, you know like not, everybody is, and you can. You can nippick it and be like. Oh, these guys are sort of hacks and this is goofy music.But if you really dig in like they're playing their asses on yeah, it'spretty incredible and John Taylor, one of the most underated base players. Why I agree- and I think Rogertail is oneof the most underrated frumers of alltime and and Ah, and what wasappealing was those guys had so many different influences andthey figured out a way Um to sofuse them together in a greatformula, and a lot of bands came Fr m where they're from that Mochaffeldscene in the UK produce so many great things, but Ri man. What other entity could confuse a bolyand a shat yeah, and you know velvet underground, like all these Ni thingsinto one right, yeah and the other thing is. I think thatthat's sort of a lost like when I was coming up and yelike. The whole pointwas to be as diverse of musician as you could. But now it's like. I don't seethat happening as much in in kids like Oh. This is what I do. I'm part of thisscene or stand impressed upon the way I say to to young people. If I'm givin alesson or from talking to hem as the one thing that I I I emphasize when Iwas at Valadasa state and decided to really go to Berkewe was okay. I don'twant to star right as a musician. Exactly I don't want to be the starving,musicion t a everyone talks about someting. Now that I've decided drums will be mybread and butter. What style of music will be my bread and butter tdrued andthat's when I went okay well I'll definitely do the pop rock thing Um for sure, and I love plan jazz. But I at thatpoint in nineteen and eighty nine nineteen. Ninety it was pretapparentTha, jazz musicians, weren't making what Um the return to fver Guis I mean because for Shakaria had an electricband or Herancock Oud come u with rockets or he crossed over, but theywere, they were only doing them, which was they weren't getting stuck at likemils Davis. They weren't, because thet came from Mile School Right, um theyweren't staying in one bag. They were just going to explore and and basicallylike. If you want to come for the ride, come for the ride right for me, it wasI'm gon to make money at this yeah yeah, I I you know as a musician- I'mprobably not going to get super rich right. I'm definitely not going to bestarving, yeah yeah and that's on thing. I realized. When I got to La too, I waslooking around like man these these musicians that do what I do in Denverhave houses and cars, and you know nice gear and like they havelove they've families, they're, actually supporting like it's a livingout here, whereas Denver I mean, if I made twenty grand a year I was I was. Iwas howtruble as I could be. You know, obviously the cost of livings less, butwhen I moved out here it wasn't as bad as it now I mean I two two thousand soabout twenty years ago and it wasn't as bad. I had a apartment in Denver for,like nine hundred and seventy five bucks a month, two bedroom two bath. Ifound a place in Pasadina for nine twenty five like two bedroom o one bath,but but you know it wasn't as bad. It was so itwas totally doable and guys had houses and and h. So I was like yeah, I Gota Igotta get here and it doesn't snow. Oh man forget it. Averight, beaches andmountains bona, I know crazy, and then what was yourfirst Gig when it came out here? Oh Man, the first Jig was I sepped forUm Ronmanag,...

...my second or third week in L, a at thebaked potato on sunset. Thank you. HOUSEBAND JAM Zesson for Jor J gors running it. Oh Wow, that's crazy, and- and you know, and that wasthe thing was um j ORS, a awesome guitarslayerotown. He does a lot of smooth jazzs. Now hedoes a lot of jazz and N. I indiaber for long for a long time now he's withWarron Hillornhill Yeah MHE did Hilef it yeah. I recommended him frorLawrenhill d Ben Lawrenhill, which in would you have to address oras or if you're allowed, to address Yerelelty address it. That's a whole otheranyway, so that was my first Gig, then wel andthen my second GIG was, I answered an ad in the paper. No musicians contactright. Yes, I signed up for that yeah. They Wuld by the time we got here wasan online thing, that's right, and then you that's right. I did the same thing.In fact, that's how I met Bobby Williams. Someone will get to in aminute is through musicians. contactaand bobby was a he played at this bar in Monteroviacalled the brass elepant, and we eventually ended up playing theirtons and he's passed away now, which is a dragbut h that was quite a fun gag. That was another another eye opening thingfor me: Itsapply, Oh Ow, intesting, oh yeah, that that that Gig and being introduced to bobbyand the three of US and T in that world that opened, that was a ver. That wasanother pivotal moment wol for me in my play, because I played music that ID known about, butnever played never had that a to play ah and bobby was like so loose aboutanything like you kind of knew it he's going to play yeah and he didn't carejust being musical yeah. You know so that made it pretty fun 'cause. Therewas no, no pressure, no consequences, you know, and and if it was a mess,then we'll do it tomorrow and it'll be better you', Neverego home and listento hit Hewa Herr, don't 'cause he's not Gonta hehabout it just as wrong as he did enigh before Kno, but it was a lot of Li. In fact, like you know, it's called theDiebar rock ar podcast, which is a song and record that I put out that youplayed most of except for that song, which is Atrac te hats, my favoritesoing in the record. Oh Man, well R, j'cause, you're, humble yeah, NOI'NOTI! Call it like. I see it, but when I think about that Song, NWhan, I wrote about that. Song was kind of when I replayed the brass elephant.It was pretty much any time. I was home. It was always my weekend Gik. If, if Iwas home and I wanted to play, I could play so and I just and bobby was justhe. Everyone knew him there. He was just a so, and he brings in me this this newkid and talked me up, and you know I was kind of a Dibar rockstar there. Youknow, and in that place I was pretty popular and famous you know, and at thetime I was playing with Kaamazui and I'd come back from Russia, I'd bee inRussia for a month or whatever, and all these crazy things that you know people around me. It was prettyimpressive Luk. I know Hem most of the people in that bar had never been toRussi, you know so it was. It was home. You know he had really homey feelingand and we could play whatever we wanted and t. It was like. Okay, take asolo and do what you want to do and I'm glad that that was that was the CA'cause. You know I was, I was just like bobby: You got yougotta Call, Chad, yeah he's got to be perfect, his life ca, but that's thatkind of goes back. Towhou saying too about the versatility. Is that that'swhat I just love playing about love about your playing is that I'm soundthe same way and we can go anywhere. We want, and it's just so freeig. You know,and you listen, you know, and so just feel like we're a machine and we'realways kindof moving together and we have the same instincts ecause. Welisten to the same music. Obviously and Ey have the same influence as drumwise,but that's great. So then we met like probably probably two thousand one. Iwould. I would guess you know yeah yeah, I remember I was go. I went to KafeCorria, which also as passed away, nd no longer there, which is a bummer. Itwas a awesome club in the valley here that was run by a guy who really lovedmusic, which is rare, very rare and UH. Anyway, it's gone, but I went in hereand to see a bank called hit squad. I'm pretty sure what was 'cause NERICO. Ihad met your neur now: Wife, norico WHO's, phenomenal keyboard players.Singer I like to call her the octopus 'cause. She can play like three stringlines at once and the piano part and Saing all at the same time and she's really Gregt, hopefullyshe'll be on the show eventually as...

...well, and then I saw you play like. Ohmy God, that's the guy that has the twin brother from Berkeley. I didn't know each other at Berkeleyright, so really, we've known each other almost thirty years. Probably, but we didn't know each other, then,and it was just like Oh wow, cool and then Um. I can't remember the Bass player. Thelast tonight show h e dernmordock. Yes, he was playing theGig at the time, I'm pretty sure, and then he kno, I never. I never playedwith Derrek in Hitsquarin at all. Actually, oh it Wass John Hannes, Ohokay M, who plays Bas for rose, Royce 'causewell. I got a cassette. What Iknew of Dear, was he in it before you got there? Maybe he done it bef gothattape that I was pret when Darryl Crooks yes run in the band yeah phenomenalguitar player. This show's going to turn into a lot of names that peoplemay or may not hear 't. think we got to be cart, Abut Daryl, crok's, amazing,tar player, a Fuggy D and h. He gave me a cassette tape and I'm pretty sure itwas dereck on it. It was Derin and probably Daniel Baerano was playingrums God you got Oui, that's all right that I got yeah. It was DANL rightright, right right right. So anyway, I saw you and met you and eventually II'm in the band 'cause. I had met Darwell. Actually, that's how it allworked out. 'cause. The first place I came was Stevie's, which is also nolonger than move here. I went to Seese Dereck edmonsn on G Onsayeah stves. He was hosting the Jam. Sothat's where I met Darrel and you know Jerre got me right up. 'cause the guyfrom Denver had known ther. You know Blah Blah Blah when you get here, it'slike whatever you can do, whoever you know you just go for it. You know,especially if you, if you really wantto, make a living and survive 'cause. Ididn't. I didn't work a day job or anything. I had a I. I came out herewith my ten wife mm and she got a job, so you know an so. It allowd me alittle more time to get going, but at the end of the day, man I had to pay myrent. So you know I'm going to do whatever I can do. Yeah, but anyway,I'd met Darrel at St v's and then he's like. Oh, come see my band yeah. Well,it was phenomenal, as it always was fun Gig and then feel like the first time Iactually play together was out a hit squad rehearsal, yeah and it waslikeold man yeah, and I said, Oh man and Rigo said Oh ma, yeah yeah yeah, sothe four of us did a lot of stuff comes to beginning yeah, yeah for sure it wasSuper Fun and that led to Olly Woodson. That's right, which was my first Japan,tour yeah, and that was really fun. I mean it was an experience for sure holycow and you know another guy passed away Um, but that taught me a lot forsure about music and touring. I mean again, first time to Japan, oh my goshthat was so much fun. It was F t I still remember the last night drinkingbeer than going to Gfinoa, plus we got like kidnapped in Tokyo, that's Ri! No,not n Tokyo Mgloria go aead the go, but it was so crazy. 'CAUSE, we came out ofthe hotel and there was a couple of there was one guy. It was one guy waslike one: Japanese Guy Yeah came up and Hewas, like you, Gut wit, allhe, woodsand and like honestly, at that time I didn't. I didn't realize all these popularity,I guess like I knew he was part of the temptations, but it was like the laterpart of the temptations y. You know wasn't really what I would listen to. I wasn't aware of it. You know what Imean so to go to Japan and him just being like huge n in a lot of ways, andthis guy just saying ohowll, let's go to dinner tonight and I'm like okay andwe show up after and we're like. Oh He's not going to go but we'll go sotas the three of us. It was t s me: U in Rio did ARGO, I don't think or win.I think ou early, smart yeah exactly I thought we were going around the corneryeah ar we getting this car and it's like James Brown everywhere, and allthis arm B, stuff and lights and stuff and wo just start driving, and it's like an hour and a half laterwe're in the middle of Rizo. Where and like we're all about to get killed,ther, Japanese serial killers- I don't know I've never been here before, butholy go, but then theyd! Then we get out- and it's like this house- that'd,been converted to a restaurant and They'e just food free food everywherethere, this cool bar with all these records and like old soul, rars andturned out to be really neat, but I really thought we were going to die. Sodid I like this is Goin to Suck El Yeah Wow? I hope someone knows O wo explain.Maybe this is how we all get famous it's funny. The only thing that was, inmy mind, to relax beduing. that was t. This is Japan. They don't really killpeople here, 're too nice gright, rightright, right yeah. We find outlater yeah well in any other placet...

...darksides yeah for sure for sure yeah.I have this Um Tattoo on my arm. That's the Japanesesymble for soul, but it's like two characters, but if you cover up one ofthe characters, that's the sign for Devil O, which I didn't realize until Igot to Japan the first time with it and my shirt sleeve was right there andthey were like Yakuza, which is the Japanese moffe cause. Apparently,that's what they get on their br. ' They get they're the only people thatreally get cattooed, I'm sure the kids do now B, anyways, there's, definitelya dark side. I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the dive bar rocks our prodcast as a newpot cast getting theword out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road or off the road as their current case.Maybe if you would like to support the plodcastle all you got to do subscribewherever you listen, and if you have an extra minute or two lese leave a review,you can also share and follow the Potgast onyeur social media, haps, okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening. What else did we do at that time? Wewere doing Richard Street other temptations guy, really great M- thatwas pretly, funly different dynamics and sort of led to this ban clockwork.Yes, that was really fun. Gary Patrick Coverband, another another pivotalpoint in my plan yeah. Well, it was. It was five nine, a week Gig in Vegas,probably two to three times a month, yeah in the first first moth. We wereout there for like five weeks feeling. Well, it all started with a we playedat the brew pub actually one time, the first time that you played with GaryYes, who was the leader of the bands right and t eventually the all Valang,the Mirage um wanted us. So we basically kind of moved to Vegas. Youknow once or twice a months and lived at the marage hotel, amazing and theonly reason I bring it up 'cause because it was such an awesomeexperience and there's so many great musicians that played in that band thatt's in that ban and for me Um. That was the turning point for VegasYeah and a lot of great musicians were out there and there were a lot of greatban and there were two three bands a night. Exactly you go to Vegas now andyou've got a search for a banny at all ye, but back then, every place had a rlike the avalance that we play doesn't even have music Li. It's just generallyexpensi bar restaurant yeah, but then it was bands everywhere it was asit wasso fun, 'cause we' get off from outhing and and 'cause. We only played whatthree hours yeah. It was like six, thirty to nine thirty we'd be done bynine fifteen, so they could get the other. The next hand on I wok AK themout or we go somewhere else know tell somebody else, e be drunk by eightthirty M and all Ye Gotto do is get to the elevator. You know, and I ail U- Itwas yeah. It was Asogreat, but Narico played in that your wife waiting, yeah,just some great musicians that was really fun and Jean Seagal Jean Heagell, formerly of the BA the ager mystress.Yes, he he m changed my life and probably wrecked it fror. He introducedmediagr moister and at just uh it was a very fun companionor thec.Fifteen years, I still have a bottle in the freezerright now, but I I I rarely partake anymore. At the time t at die, Ou Rocko recordcame out it wa, there's like three songs that talk about Ye. On the recordit as I was married, it was a Wa w yeah, exactly yeah. It was a lot of fun'cause. At the same time, I was playing with Kicomasui, which I eventually gotyou on Da as e get me on that and that turned into a couple of years at thatduing great years, and here again that Gig arc. Like part of like all thesepivotal points in my in my career in playing well, the CAKO dig you've beentrying to get me on the dig for a while yeah, but there's a back story that solike we and I start playing, and we got Ali's thing and, coincidentally fromthe Ali Gig um before you came along, Melvin Davis played the Ali gig play one one: ShellRight and Um from Thatt show Ni, amazing, Amazer, Ba Os player, ShagakaLeritnr, exactly no NARICO got the shockagig and and then they startedgetting erything together and and then, as a result of that thing in planBakgig with Melvin, I got the shock a get I um and that was really cool andthen and then from that I got the...

...another connection with Norico TinaMarie so Igai the Tean Mari Gig, which wilee being the teena Marie and RicJames Rights tour. When was ricks last Torig actually passed away out on abreak from a tour after rick passed away. We had one more show and itwanted just Bein. A Tina show Um and I was about to go out and do rikstor with the GAD that took Nerico's place inclockwork, which was Patrick, vpm yeah. So we got a call. Well. I found outthat RIA passed away while it was showery and Um, we did the teeno thingand obviously the teen being stopped. It had you it just had to.Unfortunately you know, everybody was cut off garden. She and rickthere's nosecret. They e very close. I mean he kind of discoling yeah yeah a wasresponsbriously forherself H, you know really eir careers w. It was a big deal and Um and we had the clockwork thin going,but you and I quit the clockwork gig Ye H. eventuallythey were like Oky. This isthat' said I good like they warmost a year and ahalf yea like okay, we're Gotiabok es you're going to move, and I was like m.You Know I love Vegas, I kind of eventually always dreamed of retiringthere, but I was like not now yes, N, I sion at the spot. I I had toyed with itonly because I was looking at it from a dollars in sents point of view, but Iremember having the conversation with Nericon. We weren't even we weren't engaged. Yet I was about topropose interesting and meanwhile I had gotten divorced while we were in Vang.Yes, my my first marriage ended UM N in inmy second marriage was just just about to pop o right, so she was adamant. She did not want moveto Vegas and at the Nim Ocean Um he r oldest. He was like Kai's age. He waslike twelve or thirteen e yeah, so she's like there's, no way we're goingto pull him out of school, an starting and- and I went to a psychic yes andWEA PSYCHIC, I'm not ashamed, and the psychic h immediately. I sat down andshe says: Okay you're at a fork in the road D is like. You got thisopportunity in front of you to move here and make this money. But if you go on the other road, there's a bigger opportunity waitingfor you, you gotto be patient. Now you got to know that one is instant gratification and theother one is yeah forever. You can make decision yourself. She wasbasically like you. Don't need me to tell you rig decision. I can. I cantell you, you already know Reane to be here right. So right right, that's whatI said: Okay October thirty, first, two thousand and four, my last Gig withclockwork mm, not a gig in sight. I know nun too, and I honestly I mean I had maybe some clubstuff eatentur. I had CACOAZUI yeah, but I had no but Kawa so was neverenough to live on just as a sole Gig, but so I was taken. I I was just done.You know I was like I don't know what I'm going to do, but not going to be inbag, and that's so I I freaked out big time. Um, Ididn't go into a dark period, but I just was for November December freakingout what am I going to do and Ria Okamodo who's another Amin, keyboardersand Japanese keyboarders? He umhe called me on recommendation of anothergreat dramer friend of ours, Jimmy Kegan H, who also was originally thedrummer fom clock work. Jimmy was back playing with clockwork and he couldn't do reo solotour betweenEurope and Japan and by the way, Rio n, Jimmy or Jimmy's no longer in the band, but Rilas a founily member of Spoxpeer, like Oneo, be most bad ass. Frog rock bansever to yeah be on the face of EUR so Um. So Jimmy recommended me for that,and- and I just was like okay all right- we think about it and Wewere on thephone. ERIGO's driving and Nerico says- is that Rio, Okamodo and yeah and realsays Thatsnerico and n put her on the phone, so they go and they speakJapnese Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, and they thing she gives me the phone backand he goes seeman. It was meant to be,...

...and so I go and I do real tour and itwasn't allowd of bread, but it was, it was no, it was cool and it got me outand it got me planned nother style of music that I'd only toyed with meevenat Berkeley, not e, which was progrock and IFN checked out. Spoxbeard stuff Iis intence and real solo stuff is even warranted because it's real so they'renot stuck into like Thespoxearr's, never stuck into anyformula of Frague rock thing. If there is that Berio would definitely put hisother MHM influences in ther right so um. So I did that for the month ofDecember and I come back home and you call mm and you offered me- beKekomatsi Kig and, like I said Yeah because I meanI've been o Fantacegos, you know, since we were in high school and when we hung up, I literally cried. Imean I bo because I was like I come home from the Japan tour and I was like.I have no idea what I'm going to do now. Yeah right, Wol, well, he's so happythat that happened and the timing was right. Guess I don't know that I mean Iwas a musical director after a few years with Cakeo, mainly because she her English, isn'tthat gray. You know I'm in town, I know a lot of musicians, so I was more kindof I feel. Like I n interpreter and like I would we need a Gitar player.I'd go, find a Guatar PUTR, you know. So it was. It wasn't a traditionalmusical director role, necessarily I wasn't putting toother band and makingsure they were a great and Cabl came out and we did shows you know. Kego wasvery much sort of still in charge, but sometimes she would she would start tosay something and then she would look at me and I'd be like plant like this.You know what I mean D to me: 'cause, I you call it not tocut you off, you call it kind of unconventional musical and I look at itis exactly what a musical director is. He does administrative duties first orshe right, and then the music comes next yeah right, yeah, pretty much andyeah do all the charts, O know and and yeah. I would never have to fireanybody, thankfully, but 'cause. There was always management for that. I wasawesome, so it was kind of a dream dig in a way, but you know you still it's ill, aninteresting being an human musical director for a lot of acts. It's aninteresting role to be in because on one hand, if you're interacting withmusicians in town, they know you might be able to get thema GIG. So it KINDOF opens updoors in a way, and people will talk to you thatif they don't love you or they do know you. But on the other hand, do you endup kind of having to be a bad guy a lot of times and and that can get tricky'cause. There's guys that on the CACO Gig came on that did not cut it, but they werephenomenal players and, like I would love to do other gigs with them. ButI've got to be on your ass because Kago's not happy and like that's making,and this isn't about what I think about your playing it's about what I thinkabout what Cako needs you to play light because she was not is not is not aperson who's like yeah man, PLA, Yo field, she's, a super specific. It'sreally like playing a cover. GIG Y, when I give you the CD I'm I wantetthat auatly that fills and everything like you might think. That fill wasjust a guy doing a cool thing that night Ho. If she doesn't hear that fillthat's Gonta et Overi sang off, you know Yo and she comes from and allthose contemporary jazz acts from that period. They come from it. That's whatthe yeah I mean well, she's, also classically tranpionous from Japan y,so she's got classical way of thinking, sure this is how it goes, and you knowthat's. On the musical Directiv standpoint,that's one of the biggest things that I learned was ask the artist questions: UYeah I'd rather not be in the dark. Stell me what you want to tell me whatyou expectedly. I remember when M, when Vicky Meiner, maybe the M D for MichaelBolt nd that was, like you know, after working with Michael's previous musicaldirector Criscamozi another just amazing, Guitarist Oto, Ber, Thi TN isjust insane and he was. He is a great leader. I mean it's just like everybody,or between Ricky or Melman Davis. U Um, Chris Uh dug rigs. All these guys had the onething I I learned from them was Um. They asked questions and for me thebiggest thing is what what do you expiv...

...me right w right, because every artistis different. Every in that M D, positionis different for every artist,yeah right yeah, I think that's right and thing about CACO- is that we hadworked together so much and and her originally her husband, Kazu her thenhusband, because they got divorced shortly after I did. Um Umhe was always in charge, and but hewas also a very like he paid a lot of attention to stuff and, like I think hepicked up right early on that. I got it. Yeah iget how this is supposed to go soeven early on Kazui wort. To turn to me and like tell him what I mean e, youknow, and so she justtrusted that I got her music. You know and that that's anot always the case, I think as a musical director. Sometimes it's likeyou see it a different way than the artist would want it. But you do whatyou you know you do what your jobs calls for! This is e more like I feellike me, and her had a pretty good understanding of what we were doing soI would just be myself ser and it was usually in line not all the time.Sometimes she'd go against what I'm saying, but you know Lik. Okay, do yourthing, you know, but she was always Sheis, always super nice she's. Justthe way. I would tell hbut she's going to nicely ask you to do this until youdo it or you go rishe'll, be somewhat politeabout it, but she's not going back down now. Don't think that you just tin togive her lip service an do whatever, but you came in in Thi same situation,though that's what was so great about you showing up as that you just got itwell. I Gi me laid in away that turned her on as well. Well, it was cool Icould immediately here, CAGO's GIG was was well. I knew it was kind of aBurnie drassol thing, even though Aut Radriguez was the guy, he replaced Yethat I reprie, but I could hear I c you know. Birnie was on a lot ofrecords right E. I could hear the influence and how important that was Riand C, and I heard what art was doing. So what I made sure of was that Iplayed it as closely to that and particularly the burning wayis possible. Then, when I heard some opportunities o put some chatisms inthere right, I took a chance yeah and it does happen to line up. You know'cause really, it's definitely burnie and I don't know I' love to have burnieon the show and talked to him about this verty dressttle, phenomenal,drummer Um plays big claim to fame. I guess is Brian Sedator Orgetra. Heplayed it with him for years, but anyrate Um, many gayudas. Really what she's hearing that's really herthing, and so I think even Berny is sort of doing vinny. You know, butBurnie is one of those guys that is Burnie all the time. Gon of Veni wascool alternative. Now you go and you do Burnei, but you turn it into somethingthat you do, but it's always starting from a place that she enjoyed otherguys get on there and they immediately want to do their thing and, like I knowthat it's it's supposed to be a Jazgig but anthing kind of Jazkick. You knowmy my what I tell a lot of people. The secret to my success is Um. I do theresearch with whatever artist I I'm going outwith or even auditioningforand H. I try and hold in on like who their favorite dramer is. You can tellyou can remy sense yeah. What artist is is is happy with what period of what and that's where I try and go yeah andthat that's. My first thing is to to capture that thing MHM after I capturethat thing Um, especially on a pop gig or I'llI'll, sit with that for a while before I even start to rear chatin yeah,because I know there's very important for them to get that. I M, with withwith Michael Bolton Um Michael just wanted like the recordyeah, and that was extremely cool with that, and that was that was somethingthat I learned Um, where every GIG is not for everydrarmer, just like I'm not for every GIG right, but it takes a very specialdrummer scratch. It takes a very special musician to play the same way night after night,regardless and- and so you have to make it a game, you have to go. How muchmore perfect can I play tonight than last night yeah s hand to do that andkeep the same, live Energi R, every time O keep ound like you've done it.The same way O exaty Er and you can't sound bored and- and it may be- I knowit's boring for a lot of guys, but the whole point is well. Maybe the to takethe board amount. You gotta go W. Okay. How much more? Can I dig into this partright from last night, yeah D up like that? It's Loa trying to play videogate right and you're trying to get the best score? Yes, exactly the otherthink that's nice about a Gig like that...

...'cause twite's, not far from that. It's like yrespects the record and he he likes consistency. And for me I feel like ittakes a lot of the stress away of like I don't have to make as many decisionsI know what I'm going to get into. I know I'm going to go out and ' I' playit like this and I'm going to go home and you know I mean ultimately it's ajob. You know and and if you honor it like that, then it's not such a mind.Fuck you knowlikbut! Some guys can't do it. Some guys can't handle it h. Youcan't forget that it is a job. Even I used to tell my my first wife, dis,gotta love what you do yeah you gotta love your job mm. If you don't what's the point right so with the mindset of of it being ajob, then remember why it is that you you'redoing it in the first place, right, H, Y and if you don't tig it get out of ityeah, but it's I. It is a job, so you have to fulfill that job, subjobtrescription of a what it is right and then, after that you know. So how isthat compared to now you're out on the road of Bruce Hornspeople, not nownoone down n the road anyboy Um, which we can talk about if we want? But thisis a weird time to to start a show like this talking about how to get read to amusic business when there's no music. THAT'S AL! Is it's a great time to talkabout this? Okay? Well, I mean, I think, it'll, be it's good 'cause people veavailable yeah and we're going to work. I mean yeah. So now you'Ryou're BruceHornsbe and the noisemakers your actual member of the bay. I am it's an Oisemaker which is stilland. That's a different kind of thing too. You notyou know. So how is that playing wise compared to Michael Bolton? Are youplaying it like the record? Are you just doing your thing? Is it somewherein between, I would say, it' somewhere in betweenBruce May um as IME. It is a band, but there is aname in front of it. So there's till SND yeah you still have er statisateross, Mayah, yeah, here's what I so, if anybody's ever seen any bruce hornsbshow whether it's him so low, it's the noisemakers or he's done. He did a triothing some years back with like christion McBride and Um Jackne Anette, it still flows, my Mond we happy withso it's it's. It's definitely Um. It's in the spirit of the grateful dead ofMMWE're not going to play the same, show every night and we're not going to playthe same song in the same way twice mm. Ever it's always going to be changed.It's always going to be different. So then, with that what I've learned is so you've got your parts Um the foundationand Bruce Wants 'cause he's like that with himself. The foundation has tostay the same. That is, if there's a specific groove that I have to play orsomething I have to play that grouphm. If he says you could do something, you know mm cool, I mean we did. Lastyear ontour we entered he brought back a couple of old songs and really funstuff, but there was one where I was so um I, for whatever reason went back into acoverm like I was playing because there was like a lot of loops and stuff, andI was really recreating that whole thing frand so in you know sound check,he would say yeah man Y, you don't have to be so stagnant w you can get off.You can create a more interesting part than that. You know, go ahead, be youI'm, I'm I'll. Let you know right went not to do something. I still have to get used to hat mhmright,remembering like I, I have some poetic license here: Um, but taspruce so andthen once we're off we're off Tan, I mean you know if, if it's it's total communication,if somebody plays something and it inspires someone that person will gowiththat inspiration and do that thing which will inspire somebody to dosomething which inspi somebody else to do something. Next thing, you know sixguys have went off on a tangent from one thing and we've created somethingcompletely different. That's what he wants. Yea! That's awesome, not tomention that I've fill in some crazy, ass shoes, eas, O preice, Gus,Sonemerind, Moiis, Lucus, John Mo I mean you know these are guys Rup MikeBaker, yeah she wis right. You know the company. He keeps ye h. So it'slike that's that's kind of in my head to especially sosay such a yeah, hugeinspiration of mine...

...and he loves sunny. Oh Yeah Yeah Het.He played the Gogwell 'causeI. think that's interesting too.'cause like how you come into a Gig sort of- and we don't have to talkspecifically, but if you know if you're coming into a GIG after your guy's beenfired, then don't play like that Guy Right B, if you're coming into a gigwhere something happened and the guy left, the gay or you know whatevercircumstance, but the arst was pretty pleased. You know play like that. GuyGo wit that M my mony's on the guy that he sheloves every time, yeah yeah exactly every time, there's plenty of time foryou to be you right. So where does you also now currently also play with theJacksons? Yeah have you're one of the guys in town. Thet have two amazinggigs ye h Umso, where ies that fall an how youapproach the GIG. As far as do you play like the record, I I've seen the show.It's not like the record. No, it's not like the Jacksons Jonathan Sugarfoomoffe is the cat that really put his stamp on the live, Amra and Jacksonshow. So when I got the GIG, I justimmediately embodied Um sugarf thatlastthe key the gun that hadthe gig before me was Charle, streeter Um and he had to leave the GIG.Fortunately, for me M, unfortunately, for the brothers he hadto leave go cause. He get the Ja Lo Gig and changes like another cat fromemphas WHO's. Just killing cats got the groove thing, but he's got the chopsting too and kow just like a great all around drummer, MHM, so Um. So I hadthe show tape of of Charles, but I did basically what he did, but in theenved style of sugarfoot mm and so hen they heard that they were like yeah. You Got Er we'recool right, we're good, yeah and Ike. Doing that kind of research will getyou the GIG. You know nine times out Daia Important Ma if you'd take thatcare and you really care about the artist music and you put the time intothe details of of all that stuff. Yea Nine Times out of ten, that's Goingtoget you a gig yeah on the Jaxs Gig, because we have toplay it. The same way, every night, even my drum' solow, everybody gets abar, interesting and uh, and it was like at the beginning of the thing itwas like. Okay, this is my aprs to do my thing and if it was something I wasthinking of, I would work on in an I play. I and then one night I playedwhatever I played, which is what I play now and so the next night. I've playedsomething completely different 'cause. I Li gues is my eight bars and theyjust all four F hem, like no wow play that thing that you playedthe othernighty Hasle, and what was that thing that I played? The only thing Iremember playing was the only thing I remember doing was the stick toss'cause I was clowny. Thei was like I wasn't. That was just having fun andclowning N ent. Oh I'll, do this and I did it with the double base thing andall that and t E. I did some whatever the thirty second thing, that ID doaround the kid and they love that so I have had to play that every night yeahfor the last yeah and that might blows SOM cats minds like don't let it bowyour mind that, like I know it Sas Solo, but this is what they want Yo and do thatita emars me of another gig. We played on sorry to cut you knowanother Ga wouplay L Ritt our, but you got me Oh yeah, I sobbed, you know his melvas gig he'sawesome about it, but I was fortunate enough to be available M, but Iremember you would always do an impression. Are you going to twirl thesticks tonight Jayeah, so you K ow. If you're TRLNG Golerinthe stick, twirling Huh, you can't really get out of that one or Nowell,okay. So on the Bruise Cag, I don't. Maybe maybe there's one song Um when we play Um across the river when we do the UMtriplet thing at the end of the Guitar Solo. I'll do stick tolls, but I onlydo it specifically to keep me from rushing, which ismostly only time, I'm doing a stick:...

...torl Um! It's that my purpose is to keep me fromRussian 'cause. That's that's! That's an issue. I I'm still working onto thisday, ammy Tom! That's why we played R. I think we Rushan Rushd Axso Thaso, NY so other than that. I try notto do the flashes, because then you know here Agai. I think Sau's put such astamp on the Hornsby Gigthat, I'm already getting compared to em. That's e Gig, I'm cool with that. But if I were to go and do that thing, thenpeople will go okay, you're just trying to be sunny and and and that's e jobdescription. It's like! No! I don't want to he that, because you know- and but its also forced me to Um, because every other song I'm so low onthe HORNSBEA GIG. So it's forced me to go into places. Thi've never gonebefore on the spot. Myou know different sounds and different approaches um to pull out some Musicaliti. That'sbeen pinked up inside of me or it just never had been in there. I sawsomething else and we let's try that right, right right well, exercise! Well,we are m talking forever and we've bearmed in we haven't talked about highschool musical, no e Been Blue Sktwso. No, when I'm thinking istergoingto have to be a Chad right part too oat. Some point later on talk about. I wantto get to talkingabout your studio, and you know I don't know you keep mentioningtranscendental meditation. Is that wher Youre Yeah? I know that you were a biginto the secret for a minute. Well, that's what tipped it off yeah, which II kindo am too it's like something. I don't talk about that much, but I ve Ikind of inhere to it. I stopped being shy about it. How it came about was so at the end of two thousand fifteen November I had gotten so complacent in my playing or I went into a placethat I vowed I would never go to, and I was so comfortable and I wasn't sittingbehind the kit like. I would normally sit behind the kit when I was home offthe road Um that was just in Homo being a dad and going around doing local gigsand things of that nature. 'cause. It was like okay, well, I'm home for acouple of months, a D I'll make the most of it right and Rickie Min calledme for a Gig. He and his band were doing intown and I'd stayed up the night before workingon somebody's Mik, and on top of that, and that's just nothing compared to Ididn't prepare for the GIG the way I should have G, I had the charts- and Imade my notes and I didn't sit and- and it was groove music, but here and again I always play the sum now and reallyplay down on comfortablbut. I was so tired and I got up and I went to rehearsaland it wasn't feeling right. The only song that felt right was Um, canhidelove, Biroth, windanfire mm and Paul Jackson. Junior said something vrwaslike Chad Right, ladies and Genman, but it woke me up because we rehearse formaybe another hour or so went down all the music and stuff and and then rickiepulled me. ASIZE was like O man, it's not feeling right what's going on andthere were a couple of other things um that were happening on something alsothat was involved in t and and he I I'm not speculating what he was thinking'cause. I never really asked him. I could just tell him. Maybe it was hehadmentioned like maybe it's the cats that you're playing with right now.'cause he's like this is natte guy that I know this is not the God. That's comein time after time and just kneeling it right. So I was definitely tired. SoPaul's thing was pause. Comment made me go oh wow now I know what it means: Boutplaying, something in my sleep mm 'cause. I've played it so much I' knownso well as posed to the other music, where maybe I played it once or twice.Maybe I' never played it at all. He was reading my ass off. So that wasn't theissue right, it was the feel and the energy, and it was I was tired and andreally did out there, so he was like hey. I can't use you on this Gig wowand it was an eye. Opener 'cause he'd also mentioned, like Ihad put on alittle weight, wow and- and he was like I can tell this- is a different cat.'cause he's, like you, know, you're the guy. You work outin the mornings, you run, you know, and are you doing any of that and it waslike I'm not anymore right. So at that point I went I'm changing yeah and thena month or so later I was doing Um...

New Year. New Year's Eve dig with awfulone, and my brother texted me An said: Hey. The secret is on Netflix and I waslike what the Hell is his SAAA and UH. I watched it in the hotel room and itwas like I gotto get more of this, so I bought the book mm and I read it andthen a friend of Ou, close friend of Vaw, said if you like the secret. Youshould check out what what the bleet do. We know right on the rabbit hol mm andI watched that documentary and I went oh man. I gotto get more of this andthen that hip me to Joe Despenza and then I started doing the meditationthing like right there on the spot, just little bits and pieces soliterally like the day before Rickie called me for that Gig. I was like I'mjust going to try this, so I meditated and I channeled rickie calling me, andso I freaked out when he actually cn, but after watching a secret and yeahand and what the bleet it started to dawn on me. This whole betophysicaluniverse, yeah and Um, and I IAWARNI yeah, it's Worke Yeah Great Yeah Yeah.I started maybe four years ago, just every January we usually have some down time anywaysI watch the movie and like every every time I get something out of it that Istart to use and- and it's almost like what you need is going to pop out atyou Sur. Every time I watch it. You know I haven't gone much farther than that,but I mean it's: it's worked like crazy. Like th one year was there's a part inthere wh r. He says money comes frequently and easily like if you juststart thinking that, then it changes so then, every time I start freaking outabout money or like oh my gosh. What am I going to do this month? I would justgo. I would just take a deep breadth and relax and me, like money, comesfrequently and easily and boom the whole covor dancing. So so, when I camehome from Gicarda and then literally like Um, we did one overher for warnsrun and then Waran called the night before we were splintin t was like yeah.We at can so Um. So then it's locked own therewas,like no questions about it, we're locked own yeah and Um Naricoas freaking out, and I'm not mmbecause of that very thing: yeah the freaking out part of it. What is thatgoing to do? Yeah, O absolutely and the other thing that'sbeen somewhat different about this. Is's like this is not about decision onmy part like there's Nothin, I could blame myself wor we're all in this andlike exacell, there's nothing I can do about it so and I just happend to be ina good place. I had a little savings. You know and like certain someresiduals came in of the right place and I'm just like you know what I'mgood, I'm I'm just going to take a break, and this is what this is.Probably. I fear that I've manifested this on all Yaall, because I just Ineeded this pause in my life. I think we all had it. It was funny. I had allthis studio stuff backed up, and I was going okay well I'll. Justfinish all this stuff in my hotel room, I've never really mixed with anormonitors before, but I got a really great pair and Rightlet's put him tothe test. Why not? If it works, it works if it does, and it doesn't, andit wasn't anything too. Heavy that I was working on, but at was manifesting,more studio, work and less corporate than work, and so for me, I thoughtwhen the whole lockdown thing came. It was well here you g here you go firstof all problem solve you, don't have to worry about you Hav, any time to finishyour debd lines for the studio yeah. Here it is so I was able to do that andthat forced me to really address a couple of things intha studio. As an engineer that I really needed to address, because Icome from I'm an analoge engineer, I'm that old, sthe digital thing Um, Istill was getting a handle on, and this provided me the perfect time to really understand amerge this analogerold to this new digital world in the way we're measuring sound right right,Ye h and you have a pretty significant setup. You do a lot t the great partabout you 'cause. I use your tracks a lot. You know and that'skind of t e awsome part about Um, just recording in general. Right now. It'slike drummer's gotta have a set up. Everyone's got Ta have set up, you knowyou can call a guy and they'll send you tracks and I never have to go anywhereand but the great part is that you are an engineer. You did study that atBerkeley. So when I get your tracks, I don't really have to do much. You knowit's like it's a journey sounding record and I get a big snare and it'sall Cte and it's Al Nice and you plug it up. I mean you put it in the in yourDaw and it's just great. You know,...

...but so you've been doing a lot of thatyou you that for Bruce Horsebeayeah, Yeah Sto Las, Oh man, it was a phonerecord yeah, so the last album and then the album as coming out and fallandtracked. We did three tunes where we has beensor tracked over at my place and then I did al all the drum stuff there andthen there's a new album that we're going to start we're supposed to startthis week. She Um and obviously when they extended to lock down Bruse, waslike yeah, okay, we're going to have to wait, but the whole band was flying out. Ethree of us are here and en you know,tor, Nashville and Bruces in Virginia, so so everybody was coming out to L Aand we were just going to take a week and record at my house andn rehearsefor the tour, so the toy which has now been pushed so far to August, but thishas been awesome, definitely think we have to have part too Theeso manystories. I didn't tell an so many things and H, but I really appreciateyou being on the show. I think people are going to get a lot out of it,you're an amazing guy to learn from likewise and 'cause you're. Also just agreat guy. You know you're a great phenomenal drummer anyway, you can lookyou up on you too, but you're also a really great guy, and I think that'ssuch another key part to being to be in a road guy. In general, you got to getalong with people you Hav to get lie. L got to like you to put you on their gigyeah and you're you're, just a master of both, so I'm still working on it. Yeaho man, Oll things were comingthanks: FO haeme man. This is the part of the show they liketo call afterthoughts and just gointo. Give you some of my thoughts on what wejust went through and things that I'd like to highlight, and the first thing is that cha startedin a barband in New England, which I think is totally cool. ECAUSE he's aLegi dive by a rock star lines, wrapped around the buildings you talked about,which I actually saw them play. One time I was out there. It was weird Iwas in Boston, doing a Kakomot Suigig at scolars and and Cambridge and Chad and Norigo andShey his brother D, we're doing a a temptation gig somewhere in the area.So after both o our gigs, we all got in a car and Wemen n saw Catchans and theywere awesome, very cool and very popular and very drunk. It was awesome. The other thing that's amazing, aboutCha. That I think is important. Is that he still practices? This is a guy witha career like that, and he still got you know he he talked about three monthmark. He still got a regiment that he he kinda does. You know, and I thoughtit was really cool that he told that rickie minor story, because it didn'treally go his way. It didn't make him look great. He didn't have to tell that,but that's how honest he is about his own playing and that constant lookingin the mirror really keeps his chops up and that's what it takes to kind ofstay on top and have a career like that. So it's you know it's really important. I also I played with a guy named Nelson,ran Jel whos a sack better from Denver. You probably know him he's great, buthe he practiced eight hours days. You know he probably still does and helikened it to training for a sport. He had the mindset of an athlete and M. Ialways thought that was amazing and KINDOF changed my way of approachingall of the stuff. I'd also like to make some corrections or clarifications onsome things that we didn't have time to fully explain we're talking aboutBerkley, college and music in Boston, and not this Super Smart School inCalifornia, which is something you get really used to explaining when you areassociated with Berkeley College of music, mpand es downs for music production inengineering, which is a major at Berkeley, and he talked about the theKenny ardoff effect, which I I thought was a great way of putting it. I'venever heard it put that way, but essentially Carr Kenneo was the drummerfor John Cugermellon camp in his band and through that popularity and becauseof his amazing chops, he became the incredibly Sawt after drummer thathe is today like he's on tons of records and plays alive with all kindsof awesome artists. So look up, Kenny Ernolf, he's great the CAFI cordialmanager. That was the club in l. A that that I first saw chat out. His name wasPeter May. Have you ever run into him? Shake his hand, give him a hug thankhim for everything that he did for the music scene, while that that here in Lawhile that place was open, the bree pub was in at the Monicarlo. That was thefirst place that that me and Chad played with clockwork in Vegas andthat's not even there anymore, so don't go. Try to find it also. I said I wasoriginally from Denver. Then I said I was originally from New York and you're,probably all super confused, but anyway I' I was born in New York. I grew up inDenver, Um and one other weird thing is like when I was musical director for Co.I mentioned that I was more of an interpretor. I don't speak Japanese, sothat'. I just meat, musically 'cause, I kind of undstood her music and couldrelate it to other people. So don't try...

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