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Episode 3 · 1 year ago

Bernie Dresel- "Bernie...You've Arrived" (The Brian Setzer Orchestra, The BBB Featuring Bernie Dresel, Star Wars)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bernie Dresel reflects on his diverse career as a session player and touring drummer. He tells the story of becoming the drummer for the Brian Setzer Orchestra and creating a style of drumming. He talks about his years with Gordon Goodwin’s Phat Band and besoming one of the most sought after big band drummers. He explains the unique way that his album with his own big band, “The BBB featuring Bernie Dresel”, are produced and mixed. Bernie give some insight as to what it takes to play on movies like “Star Wars” and “Planet of the Apes”.

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The temple studio is available for allof your reporting mixing and mastering these, whether it's onlocation or viaInternet file, exchange located in the San Fernando Valley. The temple hasforty physical inputs for live ensembl tracking in a production team with overthirty years of experience to book time, Call Two one: Three, eight four zeroone: Seven, seven, zero or email p chat, t at me: Com Welcome to the Diebar rock star,podcast, a show, exploring the lines of professional musicians of all types,tore, musicians, recording artists, songriders engineers, barbands weddingbands and anyone making ther living in t e music industry, whether you'vedreamed of being a professional or you already are one. This is the podcastfor you on your Ost Ericane, and I hope that you not only find someentertainment here, but also some helpful tip free secrets and ideas thatwill help you achieve your dream. Today is a really important day. Wehave an amazing guest, can't wait to get to it. He's a drummer and you'vealready heard him he's the drummer on the opening trackof this particular show called Dive Bar rock star on my album from two thousandad eight called Dive Bar rock star he's amazing, Drum magazine Hasm on alist of fifty three heavyweight drummers who made a difference in thenineties. They also in two thousand and two awarded him: A drummy award forbest big bandrummer and Modern Drummer magazine N, an nine hunded, an ninetynine called him. The best big band drummer. His credits include BrianSetser Orchestra, he's on jump, diven whale. You might know that song, Gordongoodwins fat band, Big Bag, Boodoo, Daddy, Maynard Ferguson, RobbieWilliams, Robinford Lean, rhymes, pryan, Wilson, cakomat Sui garrison, keyler,Freddie, Reville, Greg, Croukas, andysommer Sicilia, no well he's a bigtime movie guy. He records on a lot of movie sound tracks like Star Warsplanted o the apes, jersey, boys, the born supremacy incredibles to jrassicworld superman. Man of steel mission, impossible three star, treks, supermanversus Bapman and also on T v shows like the Cleveland Show Family GuyFrazer. Its Gary shandling show King of the hill murder. She wrote Star TrekNext Generation Star Trek Voyager the simpsons, the Sopranos American comedywards. American music words me words, the golden gloves and beyond all thathe also has an incredible big band of his own called the B bb featuringburnidressell. So please enjoy this conversation with Bernie dressel. So I watched your percussion show lastnight, oh w, cras E. I was on an acid trip right, someon looke, like thelighting, look like a bad horror, film or something 'cause, it's very dark. They dos theydo something called unusual Tuesdays there. Where did you have? I don't knowif you watch all of it, but it's thirty minutes in Yeah Gie with a huge mask.They do a whole show of that of a unch of people with those ots. No, thewanted to Po. I wanted to put one on. I just never got around to it. Yeah inthe room asa I mean you know we're supposed to wear math, so exa. Sopeople know they didn't see it yet it. These MASHS are like three feet: Tall,huge Massya, a little mouse thing that moves yeah. It was very cool. Itreminded me like in college. We used to get a a practice room and check it outfor like four hours and t they have these overhead projectors in them, andwe t all the lights except the overhead and just play nonstop for like threefour hours. You know without even talking to each other thhade that samekind of vibe of Justyeah Gos I mean. Obviously it was all notated and andYouou Ukeses yeah there were, I don't know, maybe in the seventy five minutesthere was about six pieces written out that wereprobably it the head or whatever you want to call it. The peace was maybe aminute long, so that Ma of the seventy five minutes six minutes was writteninits. You know, then everything else and we're just making us shit up. You know, and- and we haven't done it-a lot rid rd, we're talking about braddue and percussion myself ondrunset, where you know we play together a lot like you and I have overthe past thirty years, but not a lot recently and o. This was getting backtogether again and just basically...

...jamming. Let's see what we want to doand Prai's crazy and you know he's got the hugest ears, probably of anymusician. I know I mean a lot of great musicians, a we get to play with, buthis ear. He is like ready to pince on anything. You might play and listen andreact. You know more than anyone more than me he's you phenomenal that way.So it's real easy for us to like play like we're playing together. 'causehe's so special in that way, B. Yeah and you know we didn't have any courdalthing. He would play that metalic Maremba on the ground, heae Morinba.It's called and Um so and he's a composer where his hiscompositions are very twelve ton row Etono or whatever you know. So it couldbe considered hard to listen to by some, but it you know it becomes what you dowith it. You know how you perform it yeah right right how you sell it. Youknow yeah. Well, I thought it was great. It was cool. The had thanks forwatching Itd, be a cool thing to have on the background. You know just it'sjust like mood stuff, 'cause, heever super loud really it was all kind of itwas a very dynamic, Biby kind of thing: itws cool! Well, THAT'S INTERESTING!How many times have we been told? Yeah the drummer is loud, you know, or Burnyor loud. You know, 'Ca Se, the drum set, especially more modern drums than ththe vinage derms of the fifties. They're louder now you know compared toolder instruments and yeah, sometimes on a Gig I I might play loud 'cause,isn, therropria or the room or whatever, but uh you sh. I was watching the commentsection later from our seventy five minutes and some people are going toturn it up or it's not loud enough. No interesting, Oi made yeah but m. Weplayed soft a lot that we hav this low level thing and then our highen was wasloud, but a lot of modern recordings don't have that wide of a of a dynamicrange from soft aloud right Um that you know, people listen to music in the caror whatever that have to get over the engine sound or they're. Listening fromtheir phone speaker, er eye bud, speaker not headpones and UH, sothey're not used to those socks, riht right, yeah, actly, yeah, yeah, yeahwellthere was a lot of comments, turn it up, and finally people put theirheadphones in or realize. Oh, I see that's supposed to be softter. It's notlike this one dynamic range omeforted Fort Right, Aeah, so the volume yeah. But it's interesting too about that.When I mixd my Elbu, I have a ban now you know the BBB featuring BerniDrussel, big ban, and so I'm a producer. Now I produce my records. You know eright. So suddenly, I'm looking at you know compression now much you know'cause. So many records have want to be loud or make sure it's loud enough andthe you know the overall mix is compressed. Is that what you would sayyeah right? So we were careful 'cause. We were an audiopile thing and tryingto retain dynamics and hehas dynamics of SOTS ANDL, not to compress too much,which means we don't have a loud record like a lot of records, are allowed'cause they're pushing that top and eangeer a lot yeah ther', O yeah sortof the thing now the loudness wars, how that Youget your record! So we you know, we went against thatgrain for H, Bern Burn, burn the studio album in live and burning the live,album and didn't didn't. Do that heavy a COMPR! I mean we did a little bitjust because you go okay, you got to do a little bit. Ye O move out the peaksbyt h, and then you know you find yourself asI listen to it or put it on. You know I listen to my album every day. I you know you find us like. Oh, Igotto turn it up compared to some other people's albums itbut. So I turn it up is musical. It's dynamic right, yeah,yeah, so speak of that. When do you want? What do you want to ask Mayer?Well, you have become the pretty much the predominant big band drummer in thecountry. According to Modern Dumer, they called you the best big branch,Oer and so have you always had a passion for big bands like even whenyou were a kid. Was this always your thing? It's funny 'cause. I, I think I'llalways play with large onsembls big Bannor, not or trios for me to find that at middle six pieceband thing where theagother burn my punk ban, Ou, twelve people, you knowmore of a I even hate calling on my ban. I was trying to have it B, a Koa per siand it was to a point, but you know...

...there's a point where everyone kindalooks to okay, tell us: what to do. You know do need that leader, but h. Youknow my big band now the BBB featuring Bernie dressell is sixteen people MeyMusicians, sixteen men and women who um yeah inthe big band or I've played in you know with frinset'so orchestra or GorgGonwan, big PAT ban. Those are big bands, uh totally all different fromeach other, but they're large fans with like thirteen horns or I play withbrinsets or trio or my my band in high school starbreaker was the trio youknow interesting. She like that name, starv Raker, Hes S, probably grat inthe seventies. Well, there was an album, I think,might be purple. Although we were not be PR called Storm Bringer. We trying Twe're trying to change. Okay, how about Star bringer? Okay, Storm Breaker? Ohyeah, stormbreak, a Starbrak starbreaker, hang so but yeah. I P, you know I, you know it all starts when you're I'mtwo years old when needles are on Ed Sullivan and that's yeah. That's alwayshow somebody's interviews start like. Where is your first inspiration and itwas the Beatles and when I'm two years old, I had Al Been Girls Screaming,although you don't know why they're screaming at Wa too, you know, but Iknew they were good and more than that, the audience was enjoying it. They wereenjoying it. That looks like fun and they're good Um. It also came thatFebruary. Sixty four came four months after Kennedy was assassinat andbelieve it or not. I remember that and I'm literally exactly two years old inNovember, when he's assassinated, but I remember I can make sure I don't cryhere. You'd be your first interview where youget someone to cry. Well, you know I am the Barbara Walters of of t hodcatsthey've told me, I remember my parents being sad and I'm looking at our blackand white television and they're, I'm kind of sensing like what's going onand they're saying. Well, they there' There's a film clip of Kennedy'sspeaking but he' he's already gone, an D n. He died and I didn't get itbecause there he is on the television. How canhe be D yea? You know only nay yea yeah, you know what death means. Really. Thatmeans not here anymore Bertie or whatever. U, I'm Goin he's there. Idon't get T, but I did sonce immense sadness, yeah and then this immenseGuporia and at Sullivan of the Beatle, so that was big in so many ways. So I'd be jumping around pretending to beelvis with a FAK GITAR I'e Bee counding on garbage cans in the backyardI'msucking three years old, wel singing you know, hound, dog or or aBeatles to MHM sothat wasn't big bing. Yet so your Questis, a big ban, Ey, I'mtaking drum lessons when I'm four and a half actually a real formal lessons ofon the pad sticks on a pad that look like well, no one's going to see it,but at's IIT. You know it's like t a rubber pad and bag and all actually Ihave my do have I have my beer sitting on one right now, because I keep it on the desk all the Time Seesee your pad is flats. GRIGHT ND.They used to be like Tis en man, you're, so young, and that's because everyonehad their except a ringo had their drums. Angled like that, like I do now,and what are you doing br for traditional groop anyway, so I was pl playing drum snaredrum andpulling around some drumset and then I was told about buddy risk goin to be onTV. When I was eight and a half, and I got the album buddy rich lie at thewhisky Agogo. Have you played there? Yes, absolutely don'tthat's Creah. I think ban Halenplay there too right here, mate, Yper, like forget, the list is led ZepplinWyng it was. He was gonna. He was doing all like funky two and four swingy pop,not pop but jazz Bigban, but would back be, and but they did it from the whisky.A Gogo, and that was my first Albu born. Goin goes oh great, Ber you, your firstElvin was the worst funny rich, album ever but uh, so that got me into wow.Listen, that wall of Soun with thirteen horngs and AF course butty rich turn itup. trumwise. You know H, not just you know, he's known so much for his. Youknow other than th the Tapeyo O emean his band yeah. They needer. They needto be Elle at th, really Ayoung, kids.

They need to be scrin up. You know likelike animpulse how would get yelled right so Leti Inot for his technical prowess?You know his shops me as a kid yeah. She Sa that that whatI got from him was that immense drive and kicking ha band in his ass ndriving,this music and uh, so between the Beatles pip, and you know the greatarrangements and songs and singing and ringos under Esti underappreciateddrumming, maybe at the time. I think we appreciate it way more now that he playfor the songs and, yes, you know, I think Yemerick Sait. Well, if people ask me, is Ringo anegood and he said: okay, listen to any beatle song, and is there any song youlisten to where you go too bad about those drums on that song?You now you can't say about any of the two: they it all work. You know whetherhe's coming up with the part or he's being told what to play. He played itand it was great, so I feel likennobody that o kind of older Generatn, like Oh,he was just a session player as if that's a put down you know like ar musicians but think about ring over.He was the worst Guy Tha en, but but he was just mil he's melodic almostwith his playing and like his interesting drum parts. You know s wasnever normal. You know it Washad personality, it was cool, you know I'maaw yeah and his sense of Grouve and swing.I mean you know there was a guy in the band before him. They got out. You KnowI to pee past thou, know yeah a guy. You know right on the brink of that andthen okay you're out of here yeah and I ma better looking drom her. Well,that's a problem. It's you know for him and for me with some bands, so good. Looking I soy ents of being in England andknocking on Pete Best Door Yeah, we, the Casba, where the Beatles plaged youknow, even before the h cavern club in the liverpole uh, they were playing inHayman's green, which is see Seei'm a Geek beetleg. I know th the area you know hun down, then Enu and and this huge house it peetsMam on Nona best where they turn the cellar into a H, a club but like acoffee club for youth that weren't drinking weren't drinking there atleast probably, but they h and have would have amembership. You know to come in, I mean it's a basement. You know low sealingand they wouldn't Havon. So we're going around liverboll. Looking at all theMecca, the Beatle sites and his house and her house was not that close. Youhad to make a little trek out to get the we did knocked on the door. Yeah Um. Yes, I'm here to see p best, Ou just a minute, you ow and so the I don't know caretaker of the home orsomething I don't know open the door and said okay come on in you know. Wellyou know here you know were her wit, Bryan Setzer. I think it was me and thebase player H, Mr Drummers and baseplayers hang out right, Ay, Marin,Wanchester and UH. You know well he's not here right now,he's rehearsing, you know and y there's a little post here there, the beetleswith peak in the band. You know not vintage, just wit, the the poster andso got in there, but recently Vick. That was that and then we left, becauseit wasn't really open. It was their home. It wasn't a PLAC, but now they'veopened up where they redid the basement, just like it was, and they they dolittle sores there that bicky and I went when we were in Liverpol uh ion now how long ago. Here I a coupleof years now I don't know a year times past how long ago, two years she saidtwo years ago, yeah where we got into the the CAZBA, it was calledthat tat, Clon Downstas, that's Cooh, yeah very cool. So you also you playwomated Ferguson for a bit too right. Yes, you know when you play withdifferent people like sometimes it could last fifteen yearslike Gryant, Sutser, Gordon Goodwin, Um, Kakamatsui, seven years straight andthen off and on here and there, but but Maynard I did seven weeks. I believe it was. I getcomfuse, seven or nine t nine nineteen...

...and eighty six. So you know, unlikesome guys that did it for three years or four years or whatever I did nineweeks and the reason I stopped after that was because I got the opportunityto do a television series in Los Angeles, so wow, you know, sessionplayer, you know record l a studio, and so I, though I gotta be here for thatnot be on the road now so and when I play with Maynard it was just maynardand dentist, a Blazio saxplayer flute who lives in Philadelphia, now, mainerand Dennis on horns and then fiverhythm. Let's sae, if I got a Bob, Wackermanwas based Michael Higgins, Gizar tod, Carlin, keyboards and Steve Fisher onpercussion on myself, and we even had lighted drumsticks or the drum for thedrum percussion do atsol wow, not not my idea, part of the the stick RightiRyou had to make sure you were waving it in time. The percussionist anddrummer as the lights would go down. AER, Oh yeah, trying to be superp. So that's whatBroht Ola then was. This was the session well well. Eighty six is when I god Mainard and h:Ourhouse was the the television show with Wilfard Brimley and dealerall, andShannon Dardy and Joe mcneily was the composer Um, but I had already been inl a three years. So what Bromie La is? I left Rochester New York, you knowcollege and went okay. Where am I going to move New York City, Rale, Nashville, Dallas Chicago and I Ikicked La and I even though I'd never been here? No,I just thought a I've been in snowy weather, iused, deicing, the windows,all my life, and that sounds good good weather and a very close based player.Agan Base player connection was already living here. Maybe a year before I gother rickshaw, Hu, okay, yeah, and so I thought well, there's one guy that Iknow stronger than the horn guys. I knew that moved to New York, city,rhythm, sex, an connection better weather. I felt safer at the time,maybe than whan I a around New York City at the time like e, maybe cryet. So I went. Let's go there. That's coolan you know di the car ride, a Los Angeles. That's what m brought me outwas just a decision and then once I got here from playing in Orange County atsome clubs with or Marian dog, or a good one, Bob Bob Wackerman, etceterand h Michael Higgins, the Martin brothers, that I made the connection of the guys thatwere on the band with Maner Yeah. I thought that's whatlet me to MaarYeah God, yeah, that's cool and you went to Eastman School of Mus. Yeah inRojwich is Dubia isy part of the? U Part of theUniversity of Rochester, but I don't know if Juliard is part of a schoolanother school, but you know it's conseditered Kinda like one of those Eastman School or Jillyar Young Aso.When I we lo, it was cool, I loved it there. It was a very warm atmosphere ofall the musicians, students loving each other, I would say competitive in agood way, not uncoroway. It was not very good Han, a good music townRochester and were you doing orcestra percussion as well as like drum sed, oris it kind of a legit school where you've you've got to do everything? Orcould you just focus on trum set yeah? It was definitely a legit school.However, there was meanin classical degrees, OA orcust, your your H, a bachelor degree in performance would bepor, porcestural percussion. However, I went mad. I you know, I'm I'm good insome ways, but I I'm not a Burning Mallet player. You know Marinba, so Imean I can play it, but man m the other guys in my class. You know like Patsidashes in the Chicago symphonynow Chris Norton Billy Miller. These guys areburning mateples, but I went in as a music Ed Major H. Maybe just maybe theyneed that and it was something my parents and I I like teaching. I thought good to have that part of thedegree I enjoy it and it probably actually got me into the classical. Youknow. 'cause they needed to have music had majors too plus they neededto have some drumset players. So even...

...on my addition, poricemen, even thoughit wasn't part of the degree program joined back, the teacher said o youplay drunk said. Let's hear you play a little drum set: Oh okay! So He's adrumset player too. All that added up to me, like maybe wildcar getting in. Idon't know no, but W I A was there. I did music, I did classical and therewas no Undergrad jazz program at the time. No so many schools North Texasmight have been early on and doing it and Miami W. my brother John then wentto Miami h, he's the drummer in the Jimmy Kemel Sho right six years, sixyears younger than me not as good looking a little bit toler little toler but uh. So at the time all of usundergrads were involved in the jazz program 'cause. They did have a masterdegree jazz program, but not enough musicians to fill out the whole programso meeting with players for the big bands et Cetra. So we would all do allthat stuff off of our degree Gos. You know. Lik Recitals do onsembles, eventhough it wasn't part of the degree Pron. So I was busy between practicingMarimba sympony, a Reshal Smar, a morcestal triangle, music, EAD classes,student teaching my last year playing live gigs n in in Rochester and thendoing all the jazz program stuff, including plain people's recitld. I wasbusy for four years yeah. It sounds like it and do you think that was vitalto the career that you have there's a lot of debate. overweather collegeright now is hey're gonna come out, you know Owin ahundred thousand dollars and you know you're going to be a musician, and howdo you make that back and but I'm always sort of on the side oflike you know, education is still super important beyond just getting a job,but just to make you a more well rounded player and H. Do you thinkthat's been important to your career having a degree it really has and that it exposed me toa lot of different things. So a cookie jar of different possibility, like evenbeing in town there, playing gigs, were playing at the time some donof summers,tones and h. You know Um on the club, gig or whatever, and so just everything involved, but meaning 'cause. I want Ave got that KIG.If I wasn't in the school too 'cause, it was some baold guys working with alocal bandleader. That was a music educator too Um, but I get that you know like even mydaughters, I o A. I don't know. If they need to go, you know college, it's notabout paying for it, which is costly, yeah Rightbut, like okay, it tjis goingto lead to work MHM, but but you know, Um they've taken some different pathsand my one of my daughters is even kind o going back and doing some classes andwhen she was ready to really go. What do I really want to do you know and Rasand more focused Um, but um? You know reading getting my readingtogether. You know I mean I was a reader since again I was four and ahalf taking lessons even more so you know and being able to play Arcastalpercustion MHM. So there might be some great drumset players in in Los Angeles,but also the combination of guys that can go out into the section and play our castital snaregoom on astar wars, movie or or plan of the age thatdoesn't have any drum set you're out in the section like just having that orfalling a conductor playing a xylophone part. What you need to- or you know ifthey need you to or hand for Congas or so Um. It all adds up to me for being likeyeah, a drum set or cestral Guy Bo. You knowstay alive, live people know me as a trumset player, 'cause of Yo know allthe live things. I've travelled with whether it was sesor or or D won, Um orgustgigs around town, you know, butin the studio, I'm more hidden, doing orchestral stuff too in t veryinteresting yeah. So Gordon Goodwin's fat band, six gramy nominations: TwoGrammy Winds, pretty awesome band. I listen to Inot th the record ti egg 'cause, it'ssuber contemporary, yet it's big band and the guy is just a crazy composer.So gooddid that start as like a session situation or o live live Gig some live gugs andindirectly. When I first moved here, I startedplaying in a top forty band with rickshaw. There's that rikshawname again, the Begi don't geet him on the show yeah he played with JohnnyMathis for many years and we played...

...with the letterman together on the road.When I first came out here very cool but uh, Um and Rickan, I played a lotin rhetam sections at Eastman. We were like kind of like the team orwhateverbut Um. What is I going to get? Oh yeah, another sip of wine. It is called the Diva Rock Star Poabefore before I moved to the red breast fifteen year, Irish whiskey ooh. Thatsounds good. I wish I was a wt God, I'm not a whisky guy. I've tried I've tried,but I U in. I just stick to the AGEMISTER and sign out you're younger. I had yager when I was in Hamburg.That's the most I've had it with Dennis Moody that he was. He was there at thetime and we we got into the the Kaiser Color, where the Beatles play likewe're there we're outside of it it's locked up during the day, Roger Burnewas with us too. He was playing piano with seerlen and, like I knock on the door, you knowo Gosh, it's close and love to get in there arond. Here the door opens to ajanitor. Oh, you know we'd like to we'remusician. You know, wher briant sits her. You know like to Kinda kind, Ocome see the Kaiser calerit. Oh we're closed right now, so I reach in mypocket, pull out twenty marks. I remember twenty marks. I don't rememberhow much money that is. Maybe it was ten bucks. Twenty Bucks- I don't knowright- I got twenty marks here- suddenly come on in so we're in the Kiserkclo, my gosh ornhere and ere on the stage where they stopped and broke the stage andwlookingthere, and I see the stage it's a little ratdy so and I see it like kindof a spot and I reach broke off a piece of the stage and Soi I madono eedles. They broke it, yeahopen on it. NO THAT'S INCREDIBLE! Ey! I love that you're such abus tat, it's soCo. How do we get on this? Oh Gordon, good,one yeah, so I'm playing in the Tog warty ban with Charlie Otwell. He boardUS at Rod Tunes One of the First Pian players with Puncho Sanches Group, Ohe's in top Porny band with me, Rickshaw Bob Somaan Gizar. Am I missinganyone uh Risha, but the one PLA who am I missing: Um Ow, the singer, Lisa Burns at LeasaBurns all right, she's, t e singer. She ended up marrying Bordan Goodwin yearslater, so as he put the band together he's going hm. WHO Shall I get fordrums and base and lesagoewhat about Bernie Dress on rick shop es? I don'tknow who Thos, who are they they'r cray and they should sheck 'em out soactually through Lisa. She introduced Rekoni to playing with court and weended up doing the FATBAND Reckan I both for fifteen years, and we bothdon't do it now B, t yeah right, so the top forty gag from seventeen asteenyears earlier fifteen years, Eryler, eventually led to playing with GordonGoodwin, was Bran Sais er before that R or Yeah Bryan Aso. Eight. Eighty three,I moved to l a eighty four I'm playing with night sprite with Lisa Lisa Burns,Lisa Burns Godwin and en mayner's. Eighty six for nine weeks. CAKO isoverlapping like ninety nineteen. Ninety to ninety, seven, like thesmooth jazz world of meat playing with the rippingtons a little bit anddifferent celaueas and different bands, different artists and smooth jazs likeconsistently- and you know, Bran Setzer was through the Sax Player of Tekamatsuiand Yoever meet him Mike Damicacasa. Yes, Yeh, I played casuals with him dyou ever play with Kao with him. No, no, I go so. I came a lot later, so he wasthe yeah. He was the SOCX player and so I've plan with Micaewat. So Mikacostalived on the same street in La in Santa Monica as Bran Sutser. They would havejazz jam sessions, Oh cool, I never got invited, but they did have them andthen Bryan walked by and heard them playing. You know some bebop and Peekein and goes hey. Can I sit in and Mike and the Guy Tare sure go, getyour guitar Snicker, Snicker, nudgnudg thats right guy GT, try to play tuneswith her. He goes gets this guitar and Burns it up. You know he aigrawire andgreat ars and and and I guess it went like Rsid Yeah, I'm thinking putting abig band together. Would you Wanta help...

...me Mike sure so mi called me to play drums with RynEtter, and I said I can't do it. I'm playing at Lavali with Freddy RebellRight, Anoer persuin play together on yeah. So maybe right, then it was just a big band gag.You know, which is it's great: If you're not working, I'd, love to goplay with Bryn sets or een- I didn't know his music that well or to strikeout that well Rightwe. I was already working. I didn't want to bail on myGIG, but so Dave dirge did the two gigs that had books. Oh interesting, I guessthat the Roxi and somewhere else, and so after they did those two gigs brandsaid so Mike. U You were missing this otherdrummer. You originally wanted. Let's try him so the next two gigs I was hired forand then Brian liked what I brought to the table and uh that started thefifteen years with them. But it's interesting because Dave dirge is agreat drummer right, Absoa, I'm going and I'm going h. Why is he calling menow? He just used him for two gigs and I didn't know the strike I said. Well,so I go I listsome of the stray cats and get inside that and see 'cause.That's where Ryan is lived, even though this is uquote, unquote, big Bin, goodoafter, listening to stray cats and knowing Dave and his great playing, I'mthink and he's I'm thinking. I bet you, he played itlike a bidband drummer, it's a big Ben and he played at Jazzy and Bryan is not Shadzi. He has jazz undertones, butit's more Elvis Presley fifties, and so I go. Let me blend what Brian knows: Estraitcat fifty swing rockabilly with nineteen forties croupas sincethere's Horn, guys there and that's how I approached it, meaning or on thefloor. Heavy not not feadering lightly, like a big Bendrumer, would do withCOMPACI heavier stronger, like forty forties and like dance and mixed outwith, like Elvis and and CRUPA and bran liked it so and even from there Istarted rocking it out. Even more later N, so did rank e frown would be alittle dolited person with a guitar being a little more Freddy Green Count.Basy Palee is thirteen horns here and then he realizes we played gigs andwe'd rock out on like the the clash tune. WATN was it I'm BA with twonetitles, but it was a rocker straight ace and really rocking the guitar and theaudience going nuts. With the horns he's going. Oh I'm allowed to be, who Iam, he started being more Brian, and that became more successful, especiallywith adding the slap rocketbilly bases yeah, which wasn't there at first WIC,just regular, Ustine upright base, but not slapping and h. That was like fullcircle back to the STRAT cots meets and fifties rockabilly, even with slapbacemeats, forty swing, I I thing: that's what happened well. Those are all my questions. Kno, that's what I was as you listenedto Y. I feel like y. u you invented a whole other style. Obviously you pickedfrom all these things, but it was such a unique thing that only you Kinda do now you're that guy thatinvented. That thing, that's a pretty big contribution to music. I think. Doyou feel like you did something important yeah. We all steal from otherthings right, so you know the Beatles would steal from other people, whetit's,carled, murguns or whate. You know UH W was is his name. He just passed awayB, Baffalo Out Bat, they BOT on two decrty yeah little Richard Low Richard.You Know Paul, you know stealing ehoo from oerhaired, you know, and then theyput their own stamp on it andtwit. So sut, sir, with my drumming, I tried the blent and not all of it atfirst, but it gradually it morked into blending CRUPA with fifties. Dj Fontana,elvisis drummer with Sixtie's, be Ringo's Grove heavier and with unabaste wildness of Keeth Moon, meaning, youknow Br Min someone might go. You don't sound like Kath Moon there, but whatI'm saying is that spirit right anything goes ND and and that create aHig Brid yeah and how is Brian to work with. Is He ishe a guy who hangs with a band? He did you talk about all this stuff, or didyou just do stuff and then he he's like...

...okay good see later see on the next Kig Brian was a, I mean, he's a strong leader and that he knows he's the boss. There's astrength in that. However, like the first four years, ninety two so no sixyear, Se Yeah Nton Ninety six yeah four years, my hair was long. It was over myshoulder. I had the sanbals way up in the air and th. I it look Fugeniedrumside and I had muppet hair. You know and Nevorsaid H. Burnie, you better cut your had. He never said that and just andeventually I went me and the keyboard player we're going. You know we havelong haire. We should get with the program and do more of a pompadour. Henever asked us to and it just you know. So we did. It got hair, Pairo haircutand then I went he wore these black glasses. Like I wore on a a thing withRian Adams, kind of Uy, eers yeah, I never saw hem wear the glasses and thenI oh, this Il cool, and then he stopped he stopped wearing hem like he neverwears H, Wan. Maybe he has contact, I don't know or he got his eyebets and Iwent oh, he doesn't have the black classes. I can do that now. So rite isdirty bug in hit and ' timing wall. I got these black glasses. I've had sincenineteen nd ninety eight men, this style m. What are we at now that'stwenty two years ago and I got 'em and got the the double baserum Kip at theold school, like Louis Bels and Marine Pearl kind of thing and H, rather thana single based Rom, but the glosses and there we are in Leno. He looks up atMegos. Barnie you've arrived, didn't tell me what it was just a thinglike I I took his lead of what he would do and to go: ETENCAS, chits and H, and-and I was conscious not to get black glasses if he had 'em Righti didn't diemy hair blond. He had that you know so um some thingslike that, so he kind o. let me do like kind of do what I do and just findmy own way 'cause. He trusted me, I think, and- and you know appreciate mytime- fill etcetera but um, but he had you know and it just kind ofmarfed into we realized like we followed his lead almost in telling us.Like the horns start doing all these movements went back and forth like theywere doing the forties, and I think they did it a as a gag at first andthen as soon as you do that, and it looks good, of course, the Mandergoesyes yeah doing that right, that's in the show and they're gon ye H, we've just created stick yet at work,and it really made a difference of Tehen 'cause. There was originallythoughts of you know that they could pick up hornplayers in every town. Youknow like right, you know some traveling. I might do and bring arhythm section, but Brian didn't want that. He wanted a band en. You could gowhat the difference make on the third and Fort Trumpet. Well, it makes a difference. You know thatit's not just reading it you're spending the morthe afternoon,rehearsing it for the first time with people, but more than that it was ableto have some onstage antics and stick and feel like a band on steak. You knowthey jus had a thing and things more. You know ITA is all at once Igt so yeah.Oh, that's cool. I'd like to take a second to thank youfor listening to the diebar rocks our prodcast as a new pod cast. Getting theword out is a vital part of what it takes to keep a show on the road or off the road as their current case.Maybe if you would like to support the plodcast all you got to do, I subscribewherever Yu listen and if you have an extra minute or two, please leave areview. You can also share and follow the potgest on your social media has okay enough begging, I hope you'rehaving fun and once again thank you for listening. It's funny that you're mentioned Freddirevell, ND and lovely, because I think the first time I saw you play was withFreddi Reville and I knew that you had played with Brian Censor, but I walk inand I didn't expect the the full on rockebelly rocket, Billyn, look andfrees like a Latin pop. You know Latin GIG and you're I mean your Latin shopsare second to none. Let's, you know some of the favorite, my favorite stuffto play with you and you're, just just just killing it on this Latin stuff.Looking like a rockabilly guy and did...

...that affect like you when you dove intothe look like that did that affect some of the gigs that you got after that asfar as latand music, you know from the country Lattinia I be O Latena. It really is in myPolish flood from Taback Aaai, don't know Imno, I don't thinkanyone lookd at me. You know it takes a second for to hear anyone play and go.You know, no matter what color you are, what your hairstile! You are! Whatsects you are as soon as you start playing asmusicians. It suddenly nothing matters except what you're hearing and feelingof the guy or now you're playing with so t um. You know it's! No! I don't think I don't think it everhurt me. You know to be in the wrong situation. However, there is more,maybe of a prejudiced and Han that's awfully strong word right now or thatif you play a certain style like say Yor, Youre plan like say your Neil Purplaying with rush and you and Neil shows up to a jazz triogag right. Ithink the jazz players might go before. He even plays a note. Now, just tharight, Guy, 'cause, they've heard 'em play another style R or he's not one of us and R in urGenre. There could be. It depends on the person and probably now as more and moreyounger people come up, there's probably more realization that peoplemusicians play different styles more than ever, and that was something Ialways concentraten on from my dad. who was a Milkman number two? He was abarber number three. It was a bartender. He worked as asa playing you know,doing different gigs working sixteen hour days, sometimes wile to put foodon her table and send me and Jonathan. You know great music schools or youknow, and a just in his blood to be a worker and to really you know, do itand he, but he didt, just do one job, even though he was one of the job, theMilkman you know, driving ha truck for a dairy was forty hours a week or more.Then he had him more. In top of that so m. that's me. I get that from my dad of almost a workaholic, although right nownot much work or no word. I all es this. This is there's some, but it'sdepressing and then then there's hope and then there's practicing. Thenthere's drinking yes and there's then there's you know, sleeping eadmillsleeping in I haven't gained any weight. I've lost a little weight on thatyou're luckly, as you can tell here, can you tell y going on it just my face? You know 'cause yeah, but but it's notmoving around enough to going. You know walking across a lot of Fox or wherwinter brothers. It's like walkon on the treadmill and trying to force theissue yeah and and eating trying to eat healthy at home. You know, as opposedyou know, to other ways. You know O um. How do I get on that o Goi go off on Tennii's, all good WTalki? Let's talk about you as a session player 'cause, you do a ton ofmovies and you're you're, one of the top guys as well at that, like what wasyour first movie session. I mm well does porn count, t absolutely this porn ca. Of course we're E. I haveI've, never done a port film, either the music or onscreen yeah. I've always said I'd be good athit, but I'm just not talented eough inte in the you know you gotta hear tobe you're born into porand. You can't just decide you talk about your base,plain yeah, exactly baseplaying is large enough. I always thought you had a sick bottomman now you know when you'R say movie, sothere's T V, which is our house, although in Rochester I did slue aFrench film. You know where in you know it wasn't pro. It was the college biban playing for one of the guys that a connection with French fill, but thatdoesn't count as far as Hollywood and I'm working as it's sed up from school,Um and PROB. I did a movie, but it...

...might have been TV movie for LarryRoseantall and I can't remember the name of it, but it was a Fox and I wasonpercustion causyou. I do remember this o. When I did our house. I was onpercustion ijust like every session until finally, okay, this you know,there's thirteen episode of e season, maybe twenty six in a year or somethinglike that. Finally, maybe seven seventh episod and there's drum set on this andI'm going. This is where I shine cray. This is mybag? Shan got there. Okay, there, here's thequeue! You get! Eight clicks up: ront Click, click, cleck, cllect click, cick,qlak, Qick, Ontpapem POAA. Thank you, overed, a tympany right, that's not going to impressanybody right! Rightright! I didn't destroy my career, that's not going tobe. We've got to have that Guy Right, rightbut. You know you played to thesong, you did what was appropriate. You know, and sometimes you a wat. It isyou know yeah. It wasn't a point, look at me and look at me, so you know or a whole session of like. Ithink I got to do scooby DU early on like one like a remake of of a nepisode or something, and so I was on drums et the whole thing and it was youknow playing, and I okay. This is cool. You know all right, then the phonedoesn't refer a session for two months, not 'cause. I didn't play well, it'sjust other people are getting calls and it makes time to like work your way upthe ladder or whatever rightright so h, um Mobe, I remember doing a movie calledthe pickup artist. It was with Molly, ringwood and and Hyeah. I can think ofhis name famous Guy Yeah, yeah, nothat wern baby anyway, and so again hardlyany drumme, but I had a program at Cou, boyrigt e Iraq in there with theLindrum and some sounds and make it sound. Like the beasty boys, somebackwarde sound like okay, Oh boy, all right hope theelectronics work right. You know, O again, I cry at work its I a God and uh. That was a early thing M, but you knowI I'm lucky enough now to work with Michael Gakino and a lot of movies andhe's polific with the amount of films he gets to do. You know we just did not too long ago, incredibles too. So that was a lot ofrumming. You know and Wanbergron killing it on league trumpet and bornGoodwin. Even doing s orchestrations, you know for that. You know reallyimportant orcheistrations, but Michael's a composer well do want to tospell- or I would do want to talk about a myth. Maybe it's a rumor. I don'tknow, but I real want to ask you a very special question that everyone se bevery is a big secret. Apparently I don't know, did you play the drums onthe movie with whiplash mm? That's a good question. I thinkit's not really known. Who did is I 'cause. I see it's not credited andthey they don't say who it is. But I I know they've answered the question likethe director they've done some qn as and stuff, and they say that theDrumeron screen the actor Gosh. What's his name now Y, I can remember iteveryweremiles say a mose teller. Everyone remembers the guy that won theacademy award h no at a evil teacher. You Know Jkn a way, K, Simmons E H, butthey say to every ninety percent or ninety five percent of what you see onthe screen as Myles Teller Claan runs. No, that's what they say. It's hard tobelieve he's playing the drums as an actor, because I did give him a lessonand and man they did a good job with that movie myles and the lesson the onelesson I gave hem before t it was a low budget film and they they didn't havelike tons of money to give how be teaching them all the time Ri. Ithink the director h of the film was a drummer also, so I think he helped thema lot and one of the other actors actually played the drums and probablyhiked him a lot, but they really filned. It just look like he's playingeverything, but from the one lesson I gave him he you know, you know he owned. A set of drums rigright right and he was not...

...really companyhe's an actor. I notmostay he's not a full time. Drummer Anay like that. So, however, they didsomehow through the phone company. They have recently asked me to play at liveso 'ca se. I was supposed to go in May to South Korea to play. Whiplash live like the film at the soleH, Sol, jazz festival, Okorea in May. We should have done it already, butbecause of KORONA IRS tickocats, they've rebooked it for October. Third,where and they've asked me again, can you go,and I said yes, so I have to learn. You know the churchs are not you know.I E played trarth like that are in that movie before Likt the there's a drumsolo in that, and I don't want to ruin the film for people if they haven'tseen it, but it's an important part of the film when there's an open, three orfour minute drum solo, it's where it's just so climactic and it's such a bigpart of the film and they shot it really great that it's exciting,looking and feeling Um. I won't say where that occurs in thepone ret it's important and it's an open, drum solo that live as Eyou'reseeing the audience is watching the film on the screen, the big ban of allSouth Korean musicians and me and the composer. The credited composer for the for thefilm is just in Herwit, who also did Lala LanLalalan Rayrav. He also did that Justin and and the same director so he's going to go and I'm going to gosupposedly October. Third to South Korea and itiill be the first time I'mreforming with Lash Wow, I in front of an audience there and trying to playthe open drum solo. That's very look what I can do mom kind of a Soloa along with the film and try to sink itup with the film. Not just me. I've played tons of drum solos in my lifeand including what you know the BBB. I have a Sola at the end of both albumsof liveand burning, also burndburn burn, but now I've got to follow the pictureWel so ID better, learn it but islike you know, am I go? What do youthink here? Am I going to go to South Korea in October? I sure hope. So my my schedule startsup in September, and so, if that all happens, then you should befine by October. Is that what you mean because of the pandemic right yeah likeme, getting on a plane, I, like, I think, isn't even like I think somecountries as you get on a plane. Now, if you go to another country, O say Icould be wrong in this. I thought I read somewhere 'Caus, I'm not worriedabout not trying to get on a plane o another country night. Now that youmight have to be quarantine for fourteen days, yes, Yeu weren't allowedto go anywhere once you get there right, so they're going to pay me to set forfourteen days in a hotel. I May that CAL be fun. I don't know a hotel roomfor fourteen days sounds incredible and I'm supposed to play the bakedpotato. I mean when this errs. It will have already happened, but I'm supposedto play the baged potato in nine days where they're having people come in andinstead of the ninety capacity they're allowed to have thirty two people inthere wow interesting and then they're, going to put twelve people on anoutdoor patio. In the back with a large TV, oh cool, for a reduced cover, chardlike instead of fifteen nive dollars Mu for Don Randy, I'm playing with Don Ter.You know yeah, I oracle and Qui. Yes, that's right! Yeah Thats, Ne Aid when Icame here actually so from the wrecking crop, yeahdornranny from the wrecking Croup and UH. But you know they're going to peeppeople a'm going to be pling for people again, it's GOINGTA BE H. Are you goingto remember how to do it? I I get nervous I like wake up in the middleofd. Then I go. How do I will I ever remember how in front of people I don'tknow, it'll be fine, it's easier than playinglike the other night playing with Brad, with this Doo playing at the sunspacein the club, with no one there yeathats harder, because after you've finish thetune, here's what you hear ready, Yeahyeah, that's hard! I No II hard, soyeah! I I actually did a facebook live from my studio here with Rudy, Cardinusand yeah, and I heard of him it was Yeayeah,...

...a fine bandlard. Wasn't he in the bandburn? He was in the band burn. He was a hi singer. I believe you knowhim well, we all know him well, but anyway, it was very much that thinglike there's just no reaction, it's the weirdest feeling and like okay nextsong, then I guess you know Zar, you guys were pretty seamlessbecause Brad liked to talk it seemed like every little gap. He would jump inand talk about the next week or whatever, so that was kind o cool, butwe were just. It was just like silence and okay count, the next one off Rwell,because of that 'cause I saw some people do this like with a band notjust by themself, and I said de bred- I go. Let's just go segay tune to tune. Imean we're percussion. Only in drums right do we even have to end AtuneRayou know almost like the mentaliy of a weddingwork. Don't stop the music just go into the next tune? Ri? U, and and make itartistic in that sense and Bradgos. Now I want to talk a little. You know, andso I honored his you know, meaning kindo his space where he plays and hebooks it and he was taking my suggestions, but I I was figuring he'skind of d leader in that sense, and so I go yeah, that's cool. You know,'cause Brad's, an interesting talker and Goofy, and you know entertainingbecause demeanor, so I go. Okay and that'll give us a chance since we'renot playing all the time to get like the next chart. Up For whate I mi chart,I mean, like forty five bars, meaning again, I INA thirty minute have a sevenminute tune. WH We're really improvising of right right, I dot yeah.I thought it was funny that he had written out the bones piece where he'splaying bones mhm, he saw Rightt actually charted out the bos part. Well, he did but then again, then ere was alot of improvising too. Now it's interesting too, because all this stuffabout playing on stage, you know Brad and I or fourfeet apart and I could have a mask on and were you know we're not spitting into atrumpet or whatever and E lowing? You know yea we're breathing, but with mybig BA people you going to do a with e big band, but y with thirteen hornswith the BBB featuring Bernie Trustell, a big ban of thirteen horns, I'm nottalking just the spitbell falling to the floor, but then blowing. You knowyeah ithat's hard for us to play and and six feet apart. Thirteen people.How many feet is that again, math yeah hergady feet yeah! You know in everydirection. Thataenot you'd have to dilide yeah, or you see the zoom style, yeahuh, ah recordings that people do and that's nice, but you know they heeGongta get yeah. It's going to get all looking atsixteen squares on the screen D and there's nothing like planing to youknow right next to the person like Brad, and I got to do so- I'm anxious to getmy big band back playing in front of the audiences again yeah, but one dething that you can do is by your records. You have two records H: Ohyeah, kne featuring Bernie dressel and they e they're mixed in. Like nine point, one or seven point one Y: UAll right, Tocuarlyes, okay, so two albums totally different from eachother, not just 'cause they're like I want you to get both of them, but oneof them was live, meaning we recorded eighteen songs live in front of of ofan audience one night two and a half hours later. The whole record is doneother than mixing it. The second album was okay: Let's go onthe studio. Let's do the actual tunes we're going to put on the album tirkingtunes and record them in the capital. Sunset sound and ta try to be creativewith it and take her time and that costs more money and look more time, Um and uh, but they're both available in somethingcalled Stereo anever heard of it. We did not releasethem in Mono. That would be interesting. That would be tls Deta, no one's doingthat. I know Y no, although with sixteen people in theband not to mention overdubs on the studio album. Its share is nice to havestereo, to spread things to be able to hear them coming up from differentplaces. That being said, we allso mixed...

...it on a different thing other than a CDor itunes download, not spotifyng, not apple music, but Icose download or CD Stereo. We also mixed it in five point one weadingsurround some: Do you have surrounds on speakers yet meaning rear speakers inyour home for your television to hear crickets coming out of the back Ius oout of the backyard I used to? Imoved into Ahouse about a year and a half ago, and I I don't have the CITU. I haven't hooked it up yet 'cause yougotto, run cables and, like I don't want to run hem across the floor, so Iused to have set up. But now, since I've been in the newspace, I haven'treally done it. Yet we went under our floor, but Eric I'm Goingto have andthis interview right now. If you don't have surroundside, I'm sorry your Hait,then yes, I do right now, but Hav Ito. You havee Eou,just to listen to your record. How about that? But, however, when you do surrounds onit won't fet on a CD or it can't be downloaded in hitunes. So it has to goon a balloo Ray, not Ta, Mb d, Blue Rihe, so we released the album UH burnburn burnand liven Burnin on Blue Ray in ninety six K. twenty four bet high resolution,high death, whateveryone, calld Terio, but also a mix of five point, one forpeople that have that took the time so hook up their back an Brman Om on a nowyou I gotta, go you Hoe, not I'm going to go, get op right now. I Tin Ain aminut. It takes a second O wet. It's easy five point. One is a circle aroundyou. So when you have thirteen morns ind a rethen section, you can now notonly spread this into stereo in front of you. You can spread it around youeven behind you, like a line of people behind you UM. Now. Let me out on too that most peoplewould not even have this. We also mixed it in nine point, one which meanssomeone that has tobe utmost seven point, one or nine point one: They havea vertical higher level of a plain circle that now becomes like anequarium of sound, not just a singular plane circled around you, but also likein the front you'd have the brythm section and the front two speakers andthe trumpets up higher an halfway between the bottom and top frontspeakers. So we now have hihe to not to mention the horns being recorded with aMike directly on them and Mikes up higher above them in the room atcapital to hear those reflections and a sense of wow they're right here in theroom. I can hear the the the Verdicaly too the sent so Toatsin, the Bluray wewel not to mention Binal, but that that's my favorite release to hear thatin that high death. Ninety six, twenty four K and five point, one or ninepoint one surround 'cause. Now you can put extra guitar parts in the backbehind you. We got a a helicopter going over the top of you vertically, and the world is Aghetto as Cuemethe ben Wi,Imin, the armong or ar it's a three pour swing versionof it, batle CEEN, Um, so Um. Well, the don't! Now now that we can dothat on the studio bum in the live, album, what you get and the Surroundinsthe reflections of the room like you're at jokes, meaning 'cause you're, not th.The bands in front of the audience you're not going to suddenly put thetrumpet behind you it's in frint, but the reflection of the room, the crowd.Oh righ, how come erpans on kind of thinthey're there in theaudience on the rerigtand Joe's being a...

...club in Pur Bank that you guys playpretty often yeah e play on one yet once a month, Oeah, exactly they're,not they're, not open thoug. Once a month, which is in l, a have you everplayed in a band that plays once a month an l, a I yeah. Actually, when Ifirst got here, I used to play with a guy named Mike Geiler who's, a Yessoxible player. He used to play the ware warehouse in Mra, Everyf Yeah. Iremember that of the month yeah I play with Cenny James There on aWednesday I thin e Gad a Wednesday yeah, but I wasn't a regular guy. I playedonce or twice yeah yeah Bu. That was a ar start winter Kenny Jane. Do youremember him yeah? I I do actually mhmtrying to think of. If I ever methim, I don't think so, but I I definitely know M G, good cat, good cat,good singer, yeah, right, yeah and ad many men liked them. I guess yeah.Actually this has been totally awesome. Man, thetime is, is is flown by and we're has it over well we're like an hour andfifteen n an an Osa like we just talk ten minutes ICI know iwolet's don parttoo some other time, 'c E. I still have like a million questions and offe meone more question, one more quick question: Favorite Food! Actually, my question is, for you: Doyou feel like you've made it oh looks like we mad, or do you still feel like ye still feellike it's a struggle every day to get going like when someone looks at acreer like you, you think well, this guy's got a maid. There's no he's justhe's the top called guy he's he's made it you know he's just or is it alwayslike I'm unemployed and I'm looking for that next gig right now, I feels like I'm in employedbutt. Always you don't feel like you C, you don't take it for granted,but you feel like okay, I I hope it keeps coming in like it does, but itcan all stop. You know like it has now for extreme reasons but M, but it'slike my brother has a five four or five day a week, Gig withJimmy Kemel Mayr, fifteen years no, seventeen years, wow yeah when he firstgot back Gig. I said Johnty you're going to have this cake for twentyyears. He's going! Oh, I don't know you know work considering if they're goingto pick us up or not, you know, and that would be a thing after one year,afor three OAR defferent priver and here they are having for twenty and Hso, but eventually his GIG will end right,yeah and then you know SOM people that have a steady Gig, whether it's workingat Walmart or Tesla. You know they have a steady gig and that's very comforting,except if their gig ended, then it's suddenly from a hundred percentemployment down to zero, so musicians. We do have that. Are It's tough. Youknow unless you have a study. GIG Like my brother m you're, always got yourhand in different cookie jars. So you don't really go to zero 'cause. You canthere's something else at other ball that might be juggling or bouncing, but Um. That's the good thing, but the otherthing is like. Yes, it's not a regular GIG, so you go mo this month was slowor so I I used to add up my money every month, I'm looking at the Wik okay,this thatthen, I finally stopped doing it, and just just so it's going to comein or like right now, it's Gongta start again yeah, I'm good. They will callagain yeah and maybe it won't be as much or maybeit will be even more and it's never the same. So that's the UH H for me. Ias, afreelance player and thers any priance players out there. No it's never thesame. It's always changing or the worse or the better month, a month year toyear- and just you know, it's just a it's- it's a bumpy ride, but that'sgood too! It's like we don't get bored, THAT'S FOR SURE YEAH!...

I don't know if you realize it, butyou're sort of Ben a mentor to me like I, I think our I don't know s for somereason I feel like. I don't even remember how I met you or when we firstplayed together, but I just feel like we hit it off in a weird old brother,younger brother way, and I ree a whole lot over the years, and I reallyappreciate it and H. Oh, I don't know why I got but it just we I I apprecare,I'm just sorry I felt so miserably yeah. I forgot to mention that year theYor, the drummer on my titled, My my opening track. I know it's one of mybiggest credits, AA o may say: Hi, the wife, okay and Umhave a great nightman. I really really appreciate it. Al Right, very good man that guy is a riot what a totalblast that was. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did, and so many thingsto learn from this conversation. In my opinion, I loved when he talked aboutgetting the Brian Setzer Gig and he did something that not enough people do andright now we have the Internet at or disposal, and you too, in so many waysto research people do the research. If you even think you're going to get thecall you know, y you've got an audition show up. You know spent some time onthe Internet and research, the artist and their music, so that when you walkin there, you have a really full big picture of what you're going to do. Youknow both musically and personality wise, and I think it's it's amazing howfar that will get you as far as getting a GIG and he not only researched themusic. You know there was a drummer that had to give before him, but he dida little more research and he went into the Rocka billy thing a little fartherand brought that to the table and then later on, with his look- and you knowchanging his hair and changing his shirts and, like you know, wearingglasses Um, it's all really subtle stuff, but it's really important and itmakes a huge difference. Also. I love that when you talked about it being abumpy ride, but we don't get bored 'cause. I think that's really what yougotta know that you're getting into as a musician, there's very few guys thatget that one GIG that pays all their bills and then they have it for twentyyears it a it's getting rar and rarer Um. So H, more rare, more rare, I don'tknow as rarer or word. I don't know, I'm going to look that up and I'llcorrect it in another episode, but anyway uh something to think about whenyou're, considering whether you want to do this for a living. I also thought itwas funny that you know I've talked about on other shows, as namesmusicians like to sit around and just talk about names, and I couldn't evenkeep up with all the names he was doing. We kind of get into this language ofnames. But when you listen to the stories of how did you get that? GigPeople asked me that all the time? How did you get that Gig? And how did youget this game? Well, he just laid it out how it Kindo works. It's reallyabout that language of names and and who you know and who you've done gigswith, and this person talked to this person talk to that person and it'sjust about being out there and being great every time that you play and playas much as you possibly can you know I'll even go as far as if I'm playingwith a new band in town- and I know who's going to be on it, but I've neverplayed with them before all just al. Google, local players, you know,doesn't have to be a big name artist, but just to know other people's creditsand what other worlds that they exist in besides the music that we were goingto play on any given nights and it helps you to get to know people, peoplefeel respected when you know about them. So you know if you're Gonto play withme, you've you've probably been googled. Just a couple of things to clarify.Juliard is a private college. It's its own thing, Easman School of music,where burninwent is part of Rochester University and a very respectede school.Obviously, as well impulse is a wedding band that me and Bernie played in, andweddings and corporate gigs in California are called casuals. So incase you didn't know what that meant. That's what we call him here, also, ifyou're going to South Korea right now, it does require a fourteen day,quarantine for any foreign travelers coming into the country and asacquornting at a government facility. So probably not a hotel, probably wouldnot be fun and who knows what I look like by the time. Burny needs to goover there in October, but M, and you will have much higher security cominghome and you can only fly into certain airports right now and you may besubject to a fourteen day quaanty when you get here. The CDC recommends rightnow, no international travel at all, but that's just a recommendation. So Ihope you had a really good time and I hope you learn some stuff 'cause. Iknow I did wow you've made it to the end, I'mhoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filledwith knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that isthe case, and you would like to Sta...

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