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Episode 28 · 1 year ago

Autumn Grabeel- The Big Announcement

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Talent manager and wife of the host, Autumn Grabeel, reveals a big secret announcement. She tells the story of meeting Eric Baines on the High School Musical Concert Tour. She reveals some of the ups and downs of dating a working musician. She reflects on hearing her singing voice on a recording for the first time while making Christmas music with her husband.

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...we've been to you too. There's lots of women at your age having a baby. Yes, and thankfully we were able to do it naturally. But he knows, we could have waited too long, and for a second I thought maybe we had. So yeah, yeah, I was just starting to doubt. Yeah, and then I let it go and I was like, okay, let it go. Then it happened and I still wasn't convinced to took. You Kep saying you're pregnant and I'm like no, I'm just late and we're totally excited. It's weird that I don't have a job right now. Can't work. Are you a little nivous? It's funny because I feel like we've planned everything out right. Will Get a house, get a dog, have jobs and have, you know, the space for a kid, and then now, yeah, we did, we did everything right, and then here we are and there we are, freaking out a little bit. Not so much yet, but it it's not exactly the perfect situation, but it's been nice having all this time off at the same time and being able to be here while you're pregnant, because if I had been on the road this whole time, it would have been a different experience for sure. And we've never spent this much time together, not really, and surprising, and we're not tired of each other, it seems like, at least I'm not tired of you know, it's actually been really great. It's very strange. Well, a lot of the reasons I thought it would be really cool to have you on, besides to talk about the baby, and just didn't make the announcement, is because, you know, you've been now with a musician for almost fourteen years and that is a thing. You know, like the whole there's a there's a certain thing to dating a musician or a creative type, and I thought that maybe we could talk about that a little bit. Yeah, sure, if you do, you enjoy it. It's definitely not what I wanted for my life. Is it everything you've always dreamed of? Yeah, you know, I think you guys get a bad reputation. It wasn't something that I was hoping and ever thought that I would be with a musician, but it's surprisingly has been the best decision ever, which I actually mean that. Soho HMM, we're he's yeah, I mean it's always exciting. You know, I am a fan of money, so I would say kind of comes and goes. It's a it's a yeah, I fluctuates. There's never you don't have like an IRA. But no, it's been really great. You're a fan of music. I mean you did music growing up. Hate it, I didn't say my music. Oh, okay, yeah, I thought I was musical until I met you. But I feel like you had fun at first at least. Are you like going for the first year you came to every Gig you kid, which I think is pretty typical. I came to way more than just a year. Okay, I would say the first five years. I was solidly coming to do like every Gig you had. Yeah, yeah, no way that it was five years, but it was. I'll give me a year and a half maybe. Oh my gosh, I can't. I mean it still come to like the important ones, but I'm saying in the beginning you were like at every bar Gig, and I was playing a lot of bar gigs when I first met you because we had just come out to her and then I come home and I do bar gigs. You know. Yeah, for sure. No, it was awesome watching you to your saying and being able to do that. And I'm on the road a lot up and does that? Does that bother you or are you? You seem okay with it, but did you ever think that you were going to be alone this much in your life, not counting the last nine months? Right? Well, that's well, since you've been working for Dwight, it's been amazing because you guys don't go out for a long periods of time. Like the longest I think you were gone was two weeks. Yeah, and that felt hard at the time, which is such a joke, when you were gone for two months at a time. Yeah, leading up to that. I think it's what makes happy marriage because it keeps it fun and exciting and missing you and and also just fun because I get to go visit I never thought I would. I didn't even know Azerbay Jean was a country and didn't ever expect to spend Thanksgiving a loan and an airport of rush up in Moscow, like, come on. Yeah, so that was a kick im out, Suetur, I was out for six...

...weeks and you came out in the middle of the Turk as my mom was living an Azzer by Jean coincidentally, she was the country director for the Peace Corps there, and so unlike, let's meet there, and I think we literally saw each other for twenty four hours. Yeah, it was. I think it was actually less. I think we saw each other for twenty three hours. It took me twenty four hours to get there traveling, because I had to connect in Moscow and it was over Thanksgiving. So right, I spent Thanksgiving in the Moscow airport alone, by yourself. Yeah, but I was awesome story, like that's the coolest thing ever. So it was a trip like well, first of all of this. The hotel that I happen to stay in, they were still pulling like plastic off the TV. It'll only been opened three weeks. Was a high a huge overlook in the little bays pretty back who as are by Johan so that was kind of amazing. But it was an interesting trip. I just remember touching the cab driver's shoulder and your mom being like no, no, you can't touch, you can't touch men here, like it's a Muslim country. Yeah, yeah, lots of rules and and you are the most rebellious person I've ever met in my life. And if you say can't touch a man in this country, you're just gonna want to touch all the man's yeah, we luckily we didn't end up in jail. Barely now. Well, and I just thought it was so strange that there are, you know, you couldn't even go into some of the cafes. They had Internet cafes and women weren't allowed to go in. And just blew my mind. Yeah, again, very sheltered, but very cool experience. And that was just I mean that's one of the hundreds of stories that are experiences we've gotten have. But how was I that that night? I played Pat to the right. I think I slept doing the show. Right, I look out from the stage, you're dead asleep, and see Kai go's music was so soothing. It's very true, very soothing show, great to sleep to after twenty five hours of travel or whatever it was. Yeah, right. So what's going to happen when our little boy gets to be about six years old, seven years old, eight years old, I'm starting to play music, nine years old, ten years old, eleven, he goes I want to be a musician? No, are you gonna be down for that? Okay, well, I've thought about this a little bit and obviously I want him to play an instrument. I mean my parents made me play piano for two years. HMM. So I at least want him to have a knowledge of music, play an instrument, be a well rounded kid, and he's going to have to be real good if he wants to be musician. Yeah, and I think you'll take care of that. As far as like making sure that he's showing him how hard and how much work it's going to have to be. And if he's willing to do all of that, go through all those tests, he's still into it, than sure, I guess. Yeah, because I always kind of joke like, Oh, you like music, used to be a music attorney. HMM. Oh, you like football, great, a sports attorney. Yeah, but but I don't know, I feel like he'll have an advantage, specially if we stay in La because it'll be in the right town. And I mean, do you want him to be music as well? I mean, I don't know. The I think about it lately and I think, well, I do kind of know a little bit about the business I won't, won't be you know, I'll be there to guide him in a way that you know. My parents were supportive, but they didn't know how to manage a music career or how to you know, especially from Denver color out of there isn't an industry. So I don't know, growing up in La when it's all around, if he's got the talent and I would be able to help him, I suppose I wouldn't say no. I mean I think they'll they'll always be music and if you're skilled enough, you can find a way to make a living. Okay. So what would you want them to be, though? Which Instrument? Oh, maybe, I mean probably piano. I feel like keyboardists. You know, maybe I'll ask the next keyboard is that's on. But I feel like they have the biggest advantage in the future because you can pretty much play any instrument if you can play the keyboards as far as like samples and you've got a whole band in your keyboard, you know, and and I also think there's a lot of jobs if you're really good. So you should definitely have those skills. It's a lot quieter than drums to Oh man, why is it? But at the same time bass everyone needs a bass players. So it's not a bad not a bad career move for me. I didn't necessarily choose it because I love the base right. Yeah, it shows it because I needed a job and there were lots...

...of opportunities. Yeah, I mean that just seems so far in the future to even think about what our kid would be. I mean I'm just wanting him to come out right think about his profession. Is Like, oh my gosh, we have eighteen years to get through before that. But I hope that he can be somewhat talented and want and enjoy music. But I definitely not one of those were like my kids going to be the president or yeah, I just want him to grow up to be a decent human being and like us at the end of it. That's it's pretty I have low standards, lofty goals, as hard as say too, because you don't know who's going to be like. I have no idea what to expect and what kind of personality is going to have, and so we're not going to be the parents that are training him to play golf at three years old or a no or a violin or whatever. No, definitely not. I don't think so. No, I see, let the kid grow figure out what he wants to be. Yeah, we'll hope be there to guide. Yeah, but I do hope that he has something because I don't know. I mean, I can't relate to people that don't because I've since I was born I wanted to be a musician. I never really wasn't necessarily a choice. I just always was aimed in this direction and very driven and self motivated and whatever. And I don't know, I think back and I'm glad that I had that because it got me through everything. You know, I think it's a lot harder. Sometimes I fantasize. You know, grass is always greener. fantasize about way and wouldn't be great if I just didn't know what I was going to do and I could just do whatever came up. No, it's way worse, I think. Yeah, I never knew what I was going to do. Thought I'd be a teacher, nurse or something. Right. I always knew I'd be a mom. Yeah, but I knew I wanted to wait as long as possible and live my life and do everything fun first. So I feel like I definitely did. Yeah, yeah, I'd say I have no regrets on waiting this long, as long as he comes out okay and everything great, I have no regratuating this long. I think it was right for us and it's good to get a lot of stuff out of our system first. Oh, yeah, traveling the world and yeah, crazy times. Yeah, and I feel like for me too, so driven for so long and the career, career, career, career, career, and you, but now I'm just like, well, you know, I've accomplished quite a bit and if, if it's over, which were all sort of having to face right now anyway, it's like what if it is over? What if it never gets back normally? You know, I think if that's the case, I feel pretty satisfied. Looking back, me like well, I pretty much did everything I wanted to do, so let's let's raise a kid now. And Yeah, you parents and and think about family. Yeah, I think it's all getting a lot harder to have the energy to to, yeah, keep up with crazy lifestyle. So yeah, that's for sure. So we met on the high school musical concert tour, which was kind of a huge moment for both of our lives really, because for me that was like kind of my first big, huge, I mean I'd been out with Kakamat sue and stuff, and that's a certain type of Gig and that was a big, huge thing when I got that as well. But this was ricky, minor. It was the MD, you know, Matt Road, E J A Laura. This is amazing band and we're playing for Fifteenzero people and high school musical itself is just it's a worldwide it's not quite this is right. It is the first movie you'd come out. It was a huge success. It was before the second movie come out, and I think when the second movie came out that was when it was like worldwide, huge craziness. But so we're right right on the cusp of it. And but at any rate in the United States it's it's phenomenal and we're really ten semi trucks or something. Yeah, I think it was. It was ten semis and eleven buses, like full production. You know Piro. I remember like joking with the Piro guy one time. was like one night it went off and kind I felt some heat in my face. This is what I learned, that you don't joke with Pyro guys, because I went out to a catering or something. I was like man, you're trying to blow my face off, and he was like what is there a problem with? I mean he freaked out. He was like, Dude, we cannot have people blowing up, you know, like it was so serious and like okay, yeah, no, it's fine, it's fine. But anyways, enough about me. But but I think for you as well, you would just moved out to La yeah, I'd only been living and blowing up. Had only been living a lie for a year, a little over a year, and getting out...

...of a serious relationship at the time, right. So, like I'm going on the road. I was like your rocks, I'm gonna kiss as many boys as I could. That's what it means to your rock star. And you're working for Monique Coleman, who had just gotten off of dancing with the stars to crazy whirlwind. Took fourth place, right, I think. So. Yeah, she did good. That's a big star. That was awesome. I was twenty five and and you just moved from a small town. I mean there's most felt like you were suddenly in a movie. Yeah, it was awesome because we were in a different city every night, a different hotel, a lot of Nice hotels. Yeah, and really cool perks. Like I remember thinking it was so awesome that we had a list that we could fill out on the bus and put anything we wanted on there and then next night it would show up and it would be stocked on the bus. Your guys is listen, is worried. There for them. I know. Well, yes, but we had a list. No, I'm just saying, yeah, you guys put, you know, yeager Tequila. Well, and ours is like ice cream cookie dough. That was so cool. Yeah, I remember when we were rehearsing, like the band, because we're all older, like I was thirty five and some of the bands were older, some of the band was younger, but we're all in that range and we're like we're on a Disney. To her like can we drink? And we're all like bad people, you know, like we drink, you know, and then the tour manager kind of sits is all down. is like well, first heat sits, everybody dies, like no drinking. This is a no drinking to her. Then he has a private meeting with the bands and says, okay, you guys are cool, you know, you can have alcohol in the bus or whatever, but if I see one kid coming off your bus drunk, it's going to be all over. So we're like, okay, I got and I drank like a year in college, m and then I stopped, and then I have never drinks it. Like no, I started drinking on that tour. Yeah, what made it so cool? I think it was there were so many of us with between the dancers and the boys and my brother was there, and the band, who just felt like a huge happy family that were just traveling along, you know, traveling together. It was just great. Yeah, and then, of course, watching the show. I mean I watched oh my gosh, you like when I watch. Actually I pretty much watched it almost every show, and so I went from not ever seeing a real concert and my opinion, wow, to having, you know, the all access passed and watching on the side from the stage, you know, and all the screaming children. I was it was pretty crazy and the show was actually good. I mean for that for a Disney thing, it was really I was really good. I enjoyed it and of course we got to know each other and that was fun and we did. It was quite a love story. Well, I first, I mean there's no way I was going to date you because you were smart. At the beginning of the tour. This is before drinking, ha ha ha. No, you know, you were like you came out with everything kind of on the table. You were divorced and death. I knew you didn't have a savings account. You didn't. You were at a homeowner, all the things that I thought I really needed and wanted, and on paper I looked horrible. Yeah, paper, but by the time we were I don't know, after hanging out night after I was just like, think we became how, I don't know, friends, but it was exciting and fun. Why do you think we hit it off so well? I don't know. You had a sort of cynical this to you, that that attracted me, that that was attractive to me because, you know, you, you called yourself a realist, which you tend to do sometimes still, but I don't know about that. But right you're and I wouldn't say there's just a jaded cynical kind of side to you. That matches my jaded cynical side. And during the midst of all this stuff, you were in this Disney bubble where everyone thought that they were amazing all the time and child actors, quote unquote. I mean they're kind of most of them were older at that point. But you know, it's a certain type of bubble where there's a lot of, how do you say it delicately, but a lot of yes people, and there's that's not necessarily attached to reality. Yeah, we were all out at a bar one night and I think Lucas and I got an argument...

...about something, something stupid, and I just needed to like vent to someone that would understand and and that's hard to find in that camp because you know, everyone is special and amazing, so you can't, you know, talk to the artist in a special way. And so I think I just vented you and you listened and we're supportive. And then you were ten years younger to me than me as well. So three thousand five to and twenty five. I was a little freaked out for a while about the age you should have been. I look back now like this is why you took a musician. What were you doing with the twenty five year old? I didn't necessarily I didn't plan it, that's for sure, but anytime I was around your parents I was just like, Oh my God, what must they think of me? Well, yeah, I just mean that like I wasn't anchor at wasn't like really hitting on you, you know, like this sort of like you said, it's sort of happened naturally, sort of happened organically and it took a long time. It took a minute for me to just feel it out and like, okay, I mean the first time I met your mom didn't go well, but I didn't go well. But who was I except for this weird old dude in the bands do where? We get along smashingly now. But yes, my mom loves you. So do you think that, having met me on tour now when I'm out, do you think that's gives you an advantage? Like when I'm my way and you're at home, you pretty much know what it looks like where I'm at. You know what I mean. You know what the addressing room, where the locker room and an arena looks like. You've come to other gigs with like kick on on sue and stuff, which is maybe a lesser scale, but knowing firsthand what the road looks like, do you think that that makes it easier? From for sure, I'm I feel like I'm way more understanding, because I mean you're really good about calling me, for example, bowl like you're really good about checking in and at the end of the night, like calling me after our Gig and all of that. But like way better than I would be, because I know how exciting it is when you're traveling and you're out there and your adrenaline and all that. I feel like, yeah, I think it was a huge advantage to get to experience that and know what your life is a little bit like. I mean, I'm obviously not on stage doing any of that, but I have a lot more respect for it. And and when I complain, Oh yeah, you don't have the Bibe of like what are you talking about? Your plas reading tonight, you know, it's like yeah, yeah, I know, I've been there. You know, yeah, I know what it's like to live out of a suitcase and I was like to be in a different city every day and bus rules and having to be live with people in that quote. You know you have to. It's all about like getting along with everyone and right and you're in it. As much fun as it is, it's also like you're seeing the same people every day, all day. you run out of things to talk about and it is and then you get a day off and you you just try to go to the mall and in the town that you're in and you're running everybody and trying to go to a restaurant and you make reservations to the school spot and and Oh, there's eight people from the crew there whatever, like yeah, there's a yeah, didn't we? We tried. Well, the end of Corbyn's tour we were in Puerto Rico. MMM, right, so we want to have a vacation at the end because it was right and that was just like, oh, we can't get away. Yeah, like everyone decides to have vacation at the ends. So for Romantic I guess we're still working. Yeah, so when I'm out in the road and you know that there's just so many girls, just every night, just coming at me, just throwing their bras, rowing their bras at me, and like, you know, how do you feel about that? I think it's hot. This is why we get along, this is why we've been married. So No, I mean obviously there has been times when I'm like but I see it as part of the job. No, that's not true. Let's see. First of all, I mean, are you really getting girls? Okay, correcting. Come on, just go with the famous. It okay, kind of like you know, if I were the persone. No, I think there's been times, like I think it's a lot. There's there's been times because, again, I've been that girl, because I was on tour and I know what I cared or didn't care about and right all that. So so, yeah, you worry about us on those I mean not anymore, right, but I don't know how to Dwight Yoke now and there is a Pantomic. You don't really have a job. Well, that's true, but but when I'm working currently with Dwight Yoakam, there's there's no girls on that tour.

So it's yeah, it's probably put your mind at ease. Well, I also know I pretty I mean I trust you. So I've got you right where I want to. I think. I don't trust the girls and I was getting yeah, but it's also interesting. Something that happened, like when I got the Dwight Gig, is that you don't know anybody on the Dwight tour and kind of every tour previous to that that I've known you, you have been really close because we went because I went from high school musical to Corbin Blue and that was the next three years of my life touring with him. You're good friends with him. You know, he's a high school musical actor. So came out of the same crew and Kigo even came to our wedding. Exactly. Okay, really good friends and you got you know, then we get to Dwight where we're out a lot and you don't know anybody. Yeah, that's that was an adjustment. Yeah, I think that was the biggest channge we've got in a while, just because I felt a little bit left out, and so that was harder to not really know exactly who you're talking about when you're saying like band guy guys and you're talking about the crew guys and I don't know. You're saying their names, but I don't really have a face to match, and so it's harder to relate to that. But just like in any relationship, I mean it makes you stronger and you have to communicate and trust each other and we just had to figure out that that's what it was right, because I don't I don't think it took me a minute to figure out why I was feeling weird about it and that's what, yeah, came down to, like, Oh, I just don't really know your life with these guys and you're gone so much. Yeah, so it feels like, Oh, you have this whole their life without me, right, and that that can be hard. They goodness, the only does like weekends for the most put. Yeah, I'm coming home every week. Yeah, so it's a thank goodness you're not going on tour from months at a time. Right. That's really what it is, because the Corbin thing to like, I remember we were out for almost three months the first summer. For like two summers in a row I was out for over three months. Now any think about it? Yeah, yeah, we did it right into September. Well, it's all about being able to adapt. I mean it's constantly changing, so you have to you have to adapt to the situation and talk it through and figure out what you need and be okay with that sometimes. I mean for the last ten years I've gotten a new GIG kind of every two and a half years or so, and life changes rapidly and will life changes immediately, but it changes mely often, which keeps it exciting. So it's never, you know, boring, which is awesome. I love that. Yeah, and it keeps US working. I mean I feel like our relationship is gotten easier, yeah, as time goes on, because we work through these things and then it's like, Oh, I I know you so much better. So right, good talk, good talk. I feel like we need a therapist here. Star. I have to confess something. I love books, but I don't love reading, and it's been something that I've wrestled with since I was a kid. You know, I can read, I have read books, but they're very time consuming and I've spent most of my time trying to build a music career it which takes a lot of time. But one thing I definitely do a lot of is drive in La traffic on my way to a Gig, and there's a solution that combines those two situations and that's called audiblecom Otto has thousands of audiobook titles and you can listen offline anywhere, anytime. The APP is free and can be installed on all smartphones and tablets and they have just a ton of music related titles, like all you need to know about the music business by Donald has pass man, how music works by David Byrne, or music production secrets by Calvin Carter, and you can get a free thirty day trial right now if you visit audible Trialcom dive Bar rock star. That's audible trialcom mom dive bar rock star. I'd like to take a second to thank you for listening to the dive, Bar Rockstar podcast. As a new podcast, getting the word out as a vital part of what it takes to keep the show on the road, or off the road, as the current case. Maybe if you would like to support the podcast, all you got to do is subscribe wherever you listen and if you have an extra minute or two, please leave a review. You can also share and follow the podcast on your social media APPS. Okay, enough begging. I hope you're having fun and once again, thank you for listening. So you love Christmas music. Yeah, and...

...when we first got together, for a while, because maybe we're just too lazy to make Christmas cards. I don't know, maybe I was, I always am, but so we did some Christmas songs every year instead of Christmas cards, and they're actually all on Youtube. That's Ottoman Eric is the channel. One word, don't tell anyone. I know. I don't know that you want to go listen to them, but I don't know, maybe you do. Someone were great. We did it for fun, did it for our family. It was just something like, Oh, we have access to a studio and you wanted to produce and yeah, it was like im you want to sing. Yeah, at the time I still liked seeing before working with Eric Faine, right, I liked to sing. I haven't known in some circles as the dream crusher. Yes, well, I never heard myself saying and that's really I mean, and that's a huge moment in one's life, the first time hearing yourself back right. Yeah, it's terrifying, horrifying, and you realize how how different you actually sat like. Yes, what you hear in your head is so different than what I encourage every single person to at least hear themselves once when you're recording. Now that everybody has phones, they probably do. You have answering machine, HMM, you know, but singing is different. Is Different. It's very different. Yeah, especially, I mean I thought I didn't. I never thought I was a good singer, but I didn't think I was horrible. But other people thought you were good saying. Well, no, I just was raised singing all the time. My family we were always saying. In Church I was the lead and my high school musical I was that's funny, Nice, actual and the sound of music. Yeah, no, no, no, no, music, man. Yeah, I was marrying. Yeah, he's a man, Brayan. Yeah, so, and I. Yeah, so, I was in musicals and I saying in church, I sing. In college even I was like in the choir, and so I liked singing. I did it all my life. Yeah, that, and you met a guy who has to have a studio. M I can be a singer. Yeah, and I was like man, I'd love to mess up some Christmas onges and make crazy arrangements. And so it was a lot of fun. It was just very much like a learning experience to working together. It's tricky working with the spouse in that situation, especially someone who's like kind of doing it for fun, versus someone who's used to being in the studio, not doing it for fun. And Yeah, you wanted me to be good and like you wanted me to be right. No, I didn't know. I wanted you to just do something. I like, okay, saying and you're like, well, what do you want me to sing this song? I don't know. I like play it for me first, you know, like as I'm thinking quite acquired teacher, where play all the parts. Will have a sexual exactly. Play the part. I'll repeat. It's gonna be Great. And I'm like, it's walking in a winter wonderland. You know the song. Just saying it, I know, but you're music behind it wasn't the same a lot of time. Very true. That is very true. And then the rhythms and stuff. I just wanted you to be like, okay, well, you know, yeah, tap it out for me, you know, I don't know, hold your hand. I wanted you hold my hand through it. I wanted you to make it fun, right, and you were more serious about, okay, do it again, it's cool, like just and I'm like, I don't want to have a bad take. I want to I want to do it right, right. So that was our first thing, was learning, yeah, each other on that, because you like it's not a big deal, like who cares, like you're in the studio. It's all about the bag. Now's the time to have bad takes. You get through a thousand bad takes and then you get the great one. Yeah, and I didn't understand that. I like, if I'm not getting it. After the third take, it's over. We're done. So that was frustrating a lot of times, but we got through it and I'm really years later. Yeah, I finally stopped doing it and that way better. No, I mean how many songs we have? I think there's like thirteen of them. That's a long day. Yeah, we have a whole record. Yeah, that's that's pretty good. Yeah, and there's some cool stuff. We got better as we like started. Well, once we've figured each other out a little bit more and you realize I just want you to play that like. I don't want to sound bad and have it recorded like just right, play the part for me, let me learn it, then we record it. Yeah, and yeah, I don't like making mistakes. I...

...also producing an engineering so I'm just like I want every take it possible. So I have lots of options. And what if you got that one word right on that take you didn't? Like? I can use that word. I don't think you realized that much about the studio stuff either. Yeah, I was all new. You're just like a race. That was awful, Girl. Yeah, but the was really good. No, I see that. Know that the deperd see you. You would make me get it right, because you like all right, well, that one was just a little pitchy, but everything else is good, and I'm like, well then, can't you just cut that together? I can't you just like, you know, make this? Yeah, I mean yes, but there's also other things I'm listening for. Yeah, see, we're fighting already. I know, just thinking about, just thinking about it, please, Chris, Chris, was Chriss, Chrismas, Chrismas time and time for. Well, I will say that it was shocked me today as I was listening through that your version of rocking around the Christmas tree, which is basically you. It's a kind of your solo piece. Like there's some that I see the most. A lot of them. Most of them are duets, but there's one like I've mainly seen when that you mainly saing rock unders is the winner as far as views goes. What forty seven hundred eighty one views of that. The rest of them are like three, four hundred. Some reason, this one is a hit, I think your head. Does that qualify as viral? I don't know. Definitely not, and that's ridiculous. Maybe once you get to five thousand, then then you be famous. I don't know. It's probably just because people like that song, and so that's just the most search song. And you sound phenomenal. I don't mean us, I just mean like someone is just putting rock around the rocking around the Christmas tree and then it comes up and they who are these guys? So you think they like that song versus baby, it's cold outside. We did a great rendition of the of the rape song. It's not a rape song. That's so ridiculous. I don't know, I'm staying out of it. Oh Yeah, you don't want to get political on your show, but that's ridiculous. Well, we did it and I thought it was great. And I know what, honestly, I'd never heard that song before you brought it up to me. It's not weird. That is what is a jazz number and like, yeah, it wasn't a part of my growing up Christmas. You Know Repertoire, I didn't know that. I think that featured the Great Noriko Oling and keyboards. Hey, who has another podcast upfload well, and we've also featured checking joyner on one song. I can remember the song right this second, but it's great and Kato Watsuno was a guitar players. He's amazing, smooth. Just star now. Yeah, the perks of having musician friends. You get all your budd he's on. Just play on my my crazy family song. Yeah, yeah, we had yeah, that's good, good times, rocking around the Christmas tree at the Christmas miss so hot where you can see every coupful dress. Stop rocking around Christmas tree left the Christmas f Lata will have and we'll do some game. You will get us feeling when you hear last we jolly rocking around the Christmas tree. Have a happy Holliday, everyone dancing everyly in the new old fashion way. But also I learned in that time that I wasn't a singer, which is good. I think I needed to have...

...some self reflection and realize that just because I sang in a small town and was inquired that, that doesn't make me a singer. And Anyway, that's good. It was good. Yeah, I mean it's learned a lot about myself and about you. Got a nice yeah, yeah, I would high so you. We'd probably recommend that as therapy for people. Just try to make a Christmas record, just try to sing together. Couples that sing together break up. Somehow we overcame. I also really liked our version of Malikiliki macca because on the on the Youtubes, I put up a bunch of we had just gone to Hawaii that year and now this amazing trip, and so on Youtube I have pictures from the trip as like a collage for the video. You're super cheesy that year. We're like, oh, I went to worry, let's do melokallym go and running out of that our slide show of our vacation up. Yeah, I was. Yeah, it was cheesy and amazing that we were running out of secular Christmas songs, that's true. But anyways, it was a lot of fun, though, and I really enjoy it. We should get back to it. All, we're gonna have a baby now, so we're going to crying in the background. How many years do we can get this kid singing? Is the thing to say Christmas Day. That's the greeting that we send from the land trees way here. You know that Christmas will be the sun to shine by day and all the stars the same Christmas Christmas. So, as a person married to a musician, one of the things that you used to do, and we have some different circumstances that that happen now, but for years, every GIG that I had to fly out on, you used to get the privilege of taking me to the airport. Oh, yeah, it was that really fun for you? Yeah, I loved it, for I am taking you to la x the twohour trip sometimes, yeah, when you would come back at thirty rush hour. Yeah, Oh man. Yeah, I mean I thought about opening my own shuttle service for just musicians. Just I'm going. I mean there were times I like going two times and one day, like it was crazy. I mean mainly because you didn't want to meet to pay for parking. So it was to save money. Well, always to save money. That is the truth. I know. I will lax or Burbank. What did what did you prefer? Oh, my Gosh, Burbank is amazing, you know, wasn't? It was like, Oh, it's Burbank, like it was the most joyous moment when I look at the schedule, like, guess what, we're flying out of Burbank. Yeah, at the time I was like seven minutes from our house versus La x which, obviously, like you said just it can take two hours. Yeah, well, I have to say that it was always an amazing joy to come back from, specially like I was flyings internationally a lot with Keiko, and it come back after I don't know, eighteen, thirty hours of flying sometimes, and to be able to get picked up by my awesome, beautiful girlfriends wife now was awesome. So I thank you. I want to thank you in public in front of all five of my listeners. Yeah, see this support also that you have to get. You know, it's like not only are you coming to the shows and cheering and the Near and listening to your songs and giving advice in you're also picking up from the airport. Yeah, it's a lot of work. Yeah. Well, the bottom line is I have so much appreciation for you and for all the things that you do for me and all the you know, I know that it's not easy to be a band wife, to be a musician wife, and I love you so much and I'm so proud of us that we're having a baby and you look phenomenal. I wish I you...

...know, we'll have to take a picture for the podcast or something. And but, and I so appreciate you coming on and letting me torture you for a couple hours here. That will probably turn into about forty minutes. I God been rough. I'm getting but well, that's very nice of you and it's not that hard actually, because you're a great guy and you make it easy. Oh, but thanks for coming on. You're welcome. Check please. Star. So, who has an answering machine anymore? I don't know where that came from. I could, I'm so old I was. I meant your message on your phone when someone calls. Does anybody even call anymore? I don't. I rarely pick up the phone. I'm going to tell text me. It's just the best way. I thought it was interesting when she talks about how I have a whole other life without her, and the truth is we do when we're musicians and we have a whole family that's on the road, and it's a very tricky thing to to navigate and to keep balance with, you know, but we I do call often and we check in often, you know, probably numerous times in the day, unless there's some crazy schedule which would prevent that, which there is at times, especially when you're traveling internationally. But somehow we make it work and but I think again, just like anything else, just communication is so important. And bus rules. She mentioned the bus rules and I think that's a very interesting topic because I'm sure everyone has their own. But I think there's a there's a couple few that maybe there are. There's definitely one, the golden rule of the bus. No defecating on the bus for obvious reasons. You know, the the plumbing system on a tour buses is a fragile situation and no one wants to smell your stuff, so just find a place in the arena or in the venue, just don't do it on the bus. I also think you have to keep in mind that we all live on the bus. It's our home. So you can't just invite your random folks on the bus without sort of an announcement or asking some you know, asking the people around you, because it's you know, if I'm in my underwear, I don't know that I want to see your grandma on the bus. You know, just just reach out, say to you mind, let me know something's happening. And maybe this is just one of my pet peeves, but keep the doors to the bunk area closed because people can be napping at any time of the day. You know, a lot of times you get to the venue in the afternoon because you have to check out of the hotel and you know, maybe I want to take a nap and people yelling in the Front Lounge. For those of you that don't understand how most buses work, like if you're just on a band bus or a crew bus, you have a front lounge, which has a TV and a kitchen and the refrigerator and usually the bathroom. Then you have the center section, which would have either twelve bunks or eight bunks if they have condo bunks. Sometimes if you if you have a smaller unit and you're allowed to have the CONDO bunks, it's a lot more space that you get. And then in the back you have the back lounge, which is generally another TV and other cooler lots of guys like set up video games and that be the video game room or set up a stereo and play music at night or whatever. But the bunks are in the middle. So you know, respect the bunk area. That's all. So I don't know, I'm sure all everybody has their pet peeves and there their bus rules. So, man, you know what let's just start a thing. Just email me your bus rules and your bust pet peeves and we'll just to start a list so that everybody con vent a little, because you know, it's tricky on the road. Kiko Matsue is who we were referring to, and if you've listened to the show, you know that I was twelve years her musical director, so lots of history they're speaking of. Keko Jacking Joyner was her sex player for years. He's also featured on episode seven of this podcast and he was playing saxophone on melee. Khaliki Maka and Monique Coleman took fourth place on the third season of dancing with the stars. So I hope you guys have a really merry Christmas and or, you know, whatever holiday you celebrate. Happy holidays. There's there's a lot of them. So I'm going to end with another Christmas song from our fabulous grabual Baines Christmas collection, and this one is my particular favorite. It's actually the first one we did, but I don't know, I was kind of proud of the orchestration on this one and my arrangement, as well as all the singing. My wife saying beautifully. So I hope you enjoy it and I hope you had a great time. Hark, how the bells, sweet silver bells, all seem to...

...say throat cares away, Christmas is here, bringing good cheer to young little me, cammable dinging down. That is their song. With Job Ring Caroling, one seems to you words of good cheer from everywhere, Bill in the air. Oh how they found raising the sound, or him and Dale telling that's a day ring, while people seems Christmas, merry, Merry Christmas, Christmas said. Without it, they're drouble talk to every how they found razing the sound or hill and down telling daily ring, while us with joyful tale to every homemade star. Wow, you've made it to the end. I'm hoping it's because you completely enjoyed yourself and are now filled with knowledge and inspiration to move forward with your dreams. If that is the case, and you would like to stay informed of new episodes, live events in general news, please go to dive Bar rockstarcom and sign up for the mailing list. If you have any questions, comments, corrections or complaints about anything you here on the show, please email me at fan mail at dive Bar Rockstarcom and you may even end up on the show. We at the dive Bar Rockstar podcast with all of our hearts. Thank you for listening and remember it's all about dreams.

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